Apparently your memory is failing you. I never said Manny needed more time. Never. But, I am not one to wait for the next guy to "figure it out". Other programs have sucked and yet turned things around in year two. They have been listed in this thread. But, Mario was hired solely because he was friends with a few big boosters. He was not stolen from a blue blood program, he was not the "hot" new guy. He did pretty well at a top PAC school with endless money. Chip Kelly did more, Willie did less. I want Mario to become our Saint Bobby, our Bear, our John McKay. But, to do that he needs to beat teams. He needs to beat ACC teams, he needs to beat ACC teams at home. Moral victories are not enough. Beat UNC, beat Clem, beat FSU and his track will be on the upward path. Lose to GT, gift games to UNC, lose 6 games the year after losing 7 and well, I do not think that is what we want. Do you think Texas AM wants to give Jizbo another year? **** he lost to an ACC team that could go less that .500 in conference for the second straight year. What he did, the national championships he won or played for at other schools are meaningless. Same with Mario in my mind. Win some games and I will gladly help fund a banner saying "thank you Mario." Keep losing and missing on needed recruits and well................