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rascon said:
Wish we would call out Mirabel. The triple I formation is all him and the run game had success in 2nd half because it was Stanford. It don’t work in the 2nd half against Louisville and it won’t work against teams that are even moderately stout up the middle like Pitt or teams that commit to that moving forward.

I will believe how good our tackles are when we run more off tackle, our supposed strength.
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He can suggest things all he wants to Dawson, DAWSONS CALLS THE PLAYS. Why would one particular formation be on Mirabal? If Dawson wants to run that formation(Which has worked multiple times this season, especially on short yardage), that's his call to make.

The fact that one of the top 10 OL coaches in the country is taking this much flak from this fanbase is beyond silly. If Mirabal were fired tomorrow morning, dude wouldn't be unemployed past lunch. That's how good he is, that's how much he is respected.
 
bdcane4eva said:
I asked at the jump if the best players would play and was assured by the powers that be they would...look no further than the TE room to verify yet another thing fed to us that was untrue...not to mention that the consensus was no more excuses.
Win out is the only acceptable result.
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Agreed, but we aren't in charge of identifying the best players.

Mario and the staff are, and the criteria is mystery.
 
skeeter said:
All the RB talk…But in those short yardage situations… (MOST OF THE TIME, obv you can't bee all the way predictable)…It has to be C.Brown, just such a short better short yardage back than Fletcher, and imo (and I was critical of Brown addition and I was wrong), he is one of the best short yardage backs in the country, vision and a rare ability to ALWAYS fall forward.

I'm neutral on Fletcher, and it always sounds like he's a great kid. An overall good RB…BUT he basically puts his head down and runs. Need C.Brown there…If nothing else Brown is better at somehow avoiding Brockmeyer's *** when he is getting pushed back into the backfield lol. And I'm worried that it's gonna be 20 carries a game for Fletcher from here on out…That ain't us at our best imo.

I also don't think they are "force feeding" Lyle at all lol…7 carries? That isn't forcing anything.



Lol…Imagine taking 7 games to "Know this". Imagine needing a reason to get JoJo Trader snaps after being told all offseason he is our clear #1 WR and us having offensive issues? I'm all for making the kid earn his way back, and if he's an ******* then he doesn't deserve to be on the field, but statements like "reason he got so many snaps" are nuts…Lol…When we have one WR that gets open on the field for most of the time (Daniels a very good player no doubt, but more of a big body, contested catches type) and the offense just played 5 quarters that poorly (and has been inconsistent all year, the clear weaker unit on the team)…Looks like plenty reason to me.

All in all some good things after a predictably flat 1h though…Onward
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I agree mostly except I think TE is a weaker unit than WR
 
RVACane said:
I agree mostly except I think TE is a weaker unit than WR
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I meant offense being weaker than defense…But I agree the non-frosh TE definitely not a strength right now. I'm not going give up on Lofton, but he has been a disappointment thus far…It's either injury or bad weight because he just doesn't look very explosive.
 
JHallCanes said:
D$ where has Moore been?

That kid is different. Most physically gifted receiver we have imo even though I think CJ has been a beast

Him as WR3 makes that group so much more dangerous
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I like Moore too but still hoping Trader can make an impact for us as I think we will be a better offense if Trader plays more meaningful snaps especially if we can make the playoffs. He could take the double teams off Toney which would be huge.
 
CANEFAN83 said:
I like Moore too but still hoping Trader can make an impact for us as I think we will be a better offense if Trader plays more meaningful snaps especially if we can make the playoffs. He could take the double teams off Toney which would be huge.
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Absolutely agreed. Trader, Moore, Lyle…this is good stuff no way around it
 
OrangeBowlMagic said:
Said all night I’d love to see more 4 wide with Johnson and Toney on the field at the same time. You can still run duo and run into the A-gaps from 10 personnel. ****, god forbid it takes a defender out of the box, too. But Johnson looks very solid. Patient route runner, good hands, doesn’t look panicked in any way. He looks like an adult out there.

Would love to see 3/7/10/17 with Fletcher or brown in the backfield for a decent chunk of the game. Again, just because you’re in 10 doesn’t mean you can’t be physical and run down hill. Bring Marion in and put him into the slot instead of at X and you can run jet motions to him to keep the 2nd level honest.
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Or go empty set with Lofton wide out then motion him and let him run against a pass spread defense.
 
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Brains said:
Our fans hate talking about execution, but if we don't botch a FG and drop a 4th diwn conversion deep in Stanford territory, we are up at halftime, probably by 10 points. The 4th and 1 failure in the 2md half was dumb. Stanford was doing nothing on offense. Take the points.

This game should have been done and dusted. You can't have 3 trips inside the 30 and come away with nothing. This team leaves a TON of points on the field.

All in all, the 2nd half was excellent, but the game should have been a blowout much earlier.
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This. We made silly mistakes, committed silly penalties, and the OL played like *** till the last drive of the first half. We pretty much did a 180 in the second half in all respects, and we were playing with short fields to boot.

I know Ahmmon tweeted it so it must be true, but I defy anyone who thinks we magically decided to run spread in the second half therefore we were able to run the ball, to chart how many times we were in 10 or 20 personnel in the first half versus the second. Hint: we were in spread a lot in the first half. Like on the drive up 21-7 that Fletcher put them on a stretcher on the ground, we didn't run out of spread once. The OL just blasted them and Fletcher showed great vision.

I like how Dawson called the game early on. We played without a TE for the first 5 plays (2 runs included), and we were about to bust a long run outside with the the 2 pullers to CiCi's side when Bauman false started.

We have been trying new stuff on offense. We aren't mindlessly running into the A-gap like people claim. We rarely ask our TEs to wham block anymore, cause they suck at it this year. We stay out of 12 personnel unless we're in short yardage (where we are extremely effective converting on the ground, despite one or both of the TEs still ******** up a block lol) or goal line. There have been some growing pains, execution wise, but I like where we are headed on offense.
 
On Jojo, someone else said this in another thread, but it’s so true: OSU got Dalvin Cook in Jeremiah Smith, whereas as got Joe Yearby with Jojo. History repeating itself
 
flips said:
This. We made silly mistakes, committed silly penalties, and the OL played like *** till the last drive of the first half. We pretty much did a 180 in the second half in all respects, and we were playing with short fields to boot.

I know Ahmmon tweeted it so it must be true, but I defy anyone who thinks we magically decided to run spread in the second half therefore we were able to run the ball, to chart how many times we were in 10 or 20 personnel in the first half versus the second. Hint: we were in spread a lot in the first half. Like on the drive up 21-7 that Fletcher put them on a stretcher on the ground, we didn't run out of spread once. The OL just blasted them and Fletcher showed great vision.

I like how Dawson called the game early on. We played without a TE for the first 5 plays (2 runs included), and we were about to bust a long run outside with the the 2 pullers to CiCi's side when Bauman false started.

We have been trying new stuff on offense. We aren't mindlessly running into the A-gap like people claim. We rarely ask our TEs to wham block anymore, cause they suck at it this year. We stay out of 12 personnel unless we're in short yardage (where we are extremely effective converting on the ground, despite one or both of the TEs still ******** up a block lol) or goal line. There have been some growing pains, execution wise, but I like where we are headed on offense.
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Correct
 
Hoyacane1620 said:





Roman's thoughts on the game- both offense and defense- after diving into the film and doing his Student of the Game analysis.....
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Post SOTG thoughts
Out of the four main run-zanostra families (zone man gap power)The hurricanes relied heavily on man blocking to eventually bury the cardinal
The ability to stay patient there was actually a prudent call. Stanford simply could not match up with Miami’s offensive line
Miami had been more statistically a zone blocking team per analytics
Miami found some success on back side rpo’s this week
Coaching staff will not care after watching that film and seeing the push that the offensive line routinely gotIt wasn’t “successful” maybe in terms of yardage but the it was successful in terms of push
Stanford replicated bear fronts but Miami wasn’t victimized per say in those fronts
Miami added a mesh/flood variant and I think it’s a nice wrinkle to its mesh series

Beck was very confident in his reads and there was no mental hiccoughs from a week ago. He looks fine
Malachi Toney is in another great when he touches the ball

The secondary ability to fit in the run game is monumentally better from a year ago
Miami absolutely blew up the zone running scheme by stanford
Miami seemed in better position for the quick passing attack
Defensive line pressured at a high clip Overall a dominant trench performance win on both sides
Statement for sure in terms of teams need to figure out ways to negate both those sides
Stanford could not hold up on either front and when the Miami hurricanes sense it they will eventually choke you out
 
Cribby said:
I’ve been begging for more pace and space . Playing in these tight sets and slow pace at all times is playing with fire. It takes away from our talent advantage which helps underdogs . You can lean on the run and power later in games after teams have been worn down.
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This, spread the offense out
 
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Problem2 said:
Offense looked a lot smoother out there with Moore/Johnson than Marion and going tempo. More of that.

And there was definitely more outside runs lol. It wasn't a total overhaul but funny enough that's when things started opening up.
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Exactly why you let your OC dictate the offense, not a 5 foot 2 OL coach
 
DMoney said:
- One of the good things about last night was that we got real experience for a ton of young players. I saw Donta Simpson, Herbert Scroggins, Booker Pickett, Jaboree Antoine, Dylan Day, Luka Gilbert, Girard Pringle, SJ Alofaituli, and more getting meaningful work.
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Playing more explosively and not using up a whole quarter on a plodding drive against a trash opponent will allow this to happen more often
 
nickster said:
If the shoe was on the other foot MOSTLY all of you would be compalining about the classless act Mario pulled last night. He scores a meaningless TD right at the end of the game. Maybe some of his buddies bet the game who knows. Whatever you guys think its fine but not only is he clueless on coaching day game situations, his clock management is the worst in the history of fooball, and he is a POS trying to score right at the end of the game. THAT WAS CLASSLESS AND FRANK WAS NOT HAPPY!
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Who’s gonna tell this guy about Jimmy Johnson?
 
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