This was up there on the Canes Mt. Rushmore of ****

[CaneTheGaytors]

There is only way out of this. The Miami Herald needs to expose the incompetence of the BOT. Show the world how much of a dumpster fire the school has become with Frenk at the helm and James as AD. Shine a light on the rampant nepotism like letting the previous head coach, Mark Richt, hire his unqualified son to be QB coach (which was expressly banned at other schools). Encouraging the AD to hire the son of one of the biggest donors as the baseball coach. After a 1 day coaching search, hiring the unqualified son of a well-connected former mayor. Destroying the Orange Bowl. Playing games with Butch Davis's contract. Ridiculous contract extensions to other coaches. The list goes on and on. Then look at the financial and academic incompetence. Accepting money from criminals. Dropping out of the top 50 schools. Tuition 8x higher than comparable public schools.

We can't replace the BOT, but we can hope they are shamed into action once the public becomes aware of how far the school has fallen. That's the only chance that Miami has of ever getting back on track.

Miami is not a poor school. It has an endowment larger than Clemson, FSU, Auburn, and LSU by nearly $400 million. The "we don't have money" is a sob story to cover up the BOT's cheapness, but I'm sure they have no problem spending tens of thousands on trips and catered lunches. Its just a vanity project for rich people to say they are on the BOT, but they have no real love for the University. It's a **** shame.

Money post!

UM has been run by the most egotistical, narcissistic elitists for decades. Even when Tad Foote was the President at the U, it was the same **** with the BoT And Admin.

The one dude that doesn’t get enough credit for having put Miami sports on the map as a power player in multiple sports is Sam Jankovich. He was the real deal. He would tell J.J., I’ll handle Ted Foote, you just take care of getting the team ready every Saturday. He was as good as it gets.

Flake James is a shoe shine boy who has been complicit to the damage that has been done to the U brand.

Instead of a plane flying banners, maybe an article paid for by us fans detailing all of the BoT’s and Admin’s many transgressions against our once proud program would be more effective. At this point, it’s worth a try.

 

[Trafficante]

LMFAO at your examples.

Iowa what? They suck besides two seasons.

Syracuse, they suck as well.

Wiscy is a proven system team. They find their guys and run the same system year after year.

Conference games can always be trouble, no matter how good your team is. Did BC have an outstanding staff when Reed saved us? Rutgers or Temple, close game until the last quarter? That was our best team arguably and was that some outstanding coaching on their part, us looking past or what?

Syracuse and Clemson, please. Why can't they do that to everyone? Clemson was their super bowl. Being on top, you always get your opponents best.

Guess you forgot or didn't notice the 41 or whatever to 6 thrashing Clemson put on Syracuse this year. Too funny.

Quit moving the goalposts. This isn't 25 years ago where players have to wait three years to hit the field. Strength and nutrition in high school is light years of where it once was. Redshirts are largely a thing of the past and today's recruits are far more physically developed than they ever have been. Sure, you can teach them things and fine tune their physique, but the top guys are coming in jacked now. Camps are every weekend and they're exposed to more than they ever have been from a coaching standpoint.

Nice dodge on Leach. Pretty much addressing nothing I've said. Waste of my time. You haven't proven a thing I've said wrong and I've wasted anything you've put up. Don't debate, you suck at it.

You're so stupid that you don't even understand the pt that I was trying to make. Only a moron would try to judge teams like Syracuse, Wisconsin, & Iowa through the lens of championship or bust expectations. Before you make baseless, pos, comments like "Iowa sucks"..maybe you should take a look at the recruiting rankings and see where Iowa finishes yr in & yr out. Despite recruiting in the 50's & 60's, during Kirk Ferentz tenure, Iowa has still managed six AP top-25 finishes, two Orange Bowl trips, one Rose Bowl trip and two shared Big Ten championships. In the same time period what has MIA accomplished with rosters filled with at a minimum top 20 talent?? As far as I'm concerned Iowa is as good as Alabama, relative to the talent that they're able to acquire. According to your narrow minded viewpoint & logic every team in America sucks except 1. Only 1 team wins the championship every yr, so using that as the only baseline/criteria is not the proper way of settling the coaching vs talent debate, and only shows how shallow your thinking truly is. You would think being a fan of a team that has had failed coaching would allow you to understand firsthand why coaching is more important than talent, but ironically in your case it has had the opposite effect.

You say that Syracuse sucks, and only played Clemson close because it was their super bowl, but then what is your response when I tell you that in the actual championship game that Clemson played in, they ended up BLOWING OUT THEIR OPPONENT? So the closest game that Clemson played last yr..was not actually against the most talented team that they faced. It was against Syracuse, a team that also recruits in the 50's & 60's. But that's just a coincidence though..huh? This yr Syracuse is young..watch what happens next yr.

No one is moving the goal post, the essential nature of the sport will ALWAYS be developmental in nature. Developmental doesn't just mean physical. It also means developing mentally & emotionally. The pos MIA fanbase is so fickle that they all expect immediate results, and at the 1st sign of adversity they are quick to abandon ship. The sport doesn't work that way though. The best offensive lines are those that have maturity & experience playing together-BC's line last yr was a perfect example. That was an elite offensive line that played together for 3-4 yrs, and the results showed. So if it makes you feel better you can attack Zion, and the offensive line this yr, but knowing you, i'm sure you'll be one of the 1st to try to suck their dyck once their performance improves. Laugh now, cry later, because by the time Zion's career @ MIA is over, he will be a high round draft pick. You can write that in stone right now. Unfortunately most MIA fans don't understand that patience is a virtue

 

[Trafficante]

At the same time though, no one has won an NC purely based off coaching with low levels of talent. The closest anyone has came to doing that is Leach(LOL!) and Chryst. Neither of them have even made the playoffs.

So he named 2 teams that won NCs purely based off talent(there are more), but there are 0 teams that won NCs with even average levels of talent with elite HCs.

Looking at championship games is only a small subset of a much larger dataset, and is not a proper way of determining whether talent is more important than coaching in CFB. Doing so will result in conclusions that are skewed & biased. To understand why coaching is more important than talent in CFB it requires a multi-variate analysis. But regardless Leach & Chryst are not the only ones who came close. When Washington last made the playoffs in 2016, they were recruiting close to 30th in the country. The same could be said for Oregon as well who was recruiting at a 20th level. And we already know about Mich. St & Dantonio who has a long track record of doing more with less. These are all teams that have made numerous new year bowls, and playoff game appearances. Or how about Kentucky last yr who recruited at a 40th level knocking off PSU who recruits at a top 15 level. And there are many more examples. But the pt was..you can't just look at championship games, doing so is only going to provide you with a narrow perspective.

 

[OriginalGatorHater]

Looking at championship games is only a small subset of a much larger dataset, and is not a proper way of determining whether talent is more important than coaching in CFB. Doing so will result in conclusions that are skewed & biased. To understand why coaching is more important than talent in CFB it requires a multi-variate analysis. But regardless Leach & Chryst are not the only ones who came close. When Washington last made the playoffs in 2016, they were recruiting close to 30th in the country. The same could be said for Oregon as well who was recruiting at a 20th level. And we already know about Mich. St & Dantonio who has a long track record of doing more with less. These are all teams that have made numerous new year bowls, and playoff game appearances. Or how about Kentucky last yr who recruited at a 40th level knocking off PSU who recruits at a top 15 level. And there are many more examples. But the pt was..you can't just look at championship games, doing so is only going to provide you with a narrow perspective.

Washington backed into the playoffs and lost to USC who was the only team they played with a massive talent advantage beside Bama who they also lost too. Every other team they played that year had similar or less talent to them. MSU knocked off 2 teams more talented then themselves, OSU and UM which is very impressive, but they then went and didnt score a point in the playoff. Where as the talented teams with schit HCs went and won the NC.

I understand what you are saying. No one is saying coaching is useless. However, a decent coach with elite talent is going to beat an elite coach with decent talent 99 times out of 100.


As far as kentucky vs penn state. Now you are just picking random teams that have beat teams with more talent. If you want to go that route I can pick significantly more teams where the more talented team beat the less talented team.

Every team that is in the playoff race is recruiting at a high level. Bama, Clemson, UGA, and the other elite teams are all spending like crazy to land the top recruits. They do this because they know recruiting is the single most important piece of CFB.

 

[Canes1968]

Have you never been in a managerial position in your life? When the entire team sucks it falls on the managers.

LOL...based on this comment, you clearly haven’t. You also clearly have the same SF mentality these players have. Blame someone else. It’s someone else’s responsibility to develop me. Blah blah blah. Truly elite people, whether we are talking sports, business, whatever, realize that most of the responsibility rests within themselves to become elite and stay elite. Managers or coaches simply set expectations, foster that mentality and provide the tools for success. Still up to the individual to do the work.

 

[Canes1968]

Same old lazy millennial nonsense.

Kids don’t know what greatness looks likes.

They find it when they look in the eyes of their leaders to see if they really believe what they are teaching.

You can talk a good game about standards and accountability, but the players know what is real when they look into their coaches eyes and they ALWAYS perform to that level of the coach’s true belief.

The players are sensing fear, confusion, false bravado, stubbornness, and incompetence. They are taking that onto the practice field and into the games.

Most of the staff is in over their head and it shows in EVERYTHING we do.

Expecting 18-22 year olds to lead themselves as a group to excellence is a pipe dream and will end in failure.

This isn’t the end of Manny’s story but it will be if he doesn’t figure out some solutions.

LOL! You clearly have too low of expectations for 18-23 year olds. It’s exactly that low set of expectations that has created this cultural problem.

 

[OriginalGatorHater]

LOL...based on this comment, you clearly haven’t. You also clearly have the same SF mentality these players have. Blame someone else. It’s someone else’s responsibility to develop me. Blah blah blah. Truly elite people, whether we are talking sports, business, whatever, realize that most of the responsibility rests within themselves to become elite and stay elite. Managers or coaches simply set expectations, foster that mentality and provide the tools for success. Still up to the individual to do the work.

Thanks for confirming you have never been in a managerial position. Truly "elite" people know how to find the weak links.

If one worker is ******** up you figured out a way to get rid of him and replace him because he is obviously the issue. When an entire department is ******** up, you don't fire the entire department, you fire the head of the department and allow the new guy to clean it up as he sees fit.

This is literally the first thing you learn when you get put into any sort of position of authority.

The fact that this is not 1 or 2 players, this is the vast majority of the team, tells you it is the coaches fault.

 

[Canes1968]

Thanks for confirming you have never been in a managerial position. Truly "elite" people know how to find the weak links.

If one worker is ******** up you figured out a way to get rid of him and replace him because he is obviously the issue. When an entire department is ******** up, you don't fire the entire department, you fire the head of the department and allow the new guy to clean it up as he sees fit.

This is literally the first thing you learn when you get put into any sort of position of authority.

The fact that this is not 1 or 2 players, this is the vast majority of the team, tells you it is the coaches fault.

LOL...you are clueless. First, manager’s that inherit a mess are typically given time to clean up the mess. Unlike in business where you can fire poor performers and relatively immediately replace them, in CFB it takes a little bit more time than 9 months and 4 games to rebuild a program and change a culture.

 

[OriginalGatorHater]

LOL...you are clueless. First, manager’s that inherit a mess are typically given time to clean up the mess. Unlike in business where you can fire poor performers and relatively immediately replace them, in CFB it takes a little bit more time than 9 months and 4 games to rebuild a program and change a culture.

I feel bad for whatever company you work for. I could only imagine the headaches you cause by refusing to man up and take the blame. Always trying to push the blame onto other. This is Mannys 4th season. Any issues on the defensive side falls on him. He recruited these kids, he coached these kids, it is his fault.

In the real world managers are blamed for making a bunch of awful hires. If one of my departments was a complete mess, that is the managers fault. Even if all of his employees are complete morons and there really is nothing the manager could do to motivate/train them. That falls on him for making all those poor hires.

If all these players on defense are just so soft, lazy and stupid that a good coach can't whip them into shape. Than that falls on Manny for recruiting them.

 

[Mikep]

I just wish our mt rushmore of **** would stop getting bigger and bigger.

 

[Canes1968]

I feel bad for whatever company you work for. I could only imagine the headaches you cause by refusing to man up and take the blame. Always trying to push the blame onto other. This is Mannys 4th season. Any issues on the defensive side falls on him. He recruited these kids, he coached these kids, it is his fault.

In the real world managers are blamed for making a bunch of awful hires. If one of my departments was a complete mess, that is the managers fault. Even if all of his employees are complete morons and there really is nothing the manager could do to motivate/train them. That falls on him for making all those poor hires.

If all these players on defense are just so soft, lazy and stupid that a good coach can't whip them into shape. Than that falls on Manny for recruiting them.

So we should fire everybody because we’ve taken an expected step back on defense this year after losing 5 of our best players on that side of the ball?

Let’s face it, we aren’t sitting here at 2-2 because of the defense.

 

[Tee3000]

That they do, but man, what if he is really our best option. Crazy.

the film tells you he’s not...DL coach is trash $ has an affinity for patchan.

 

[Tee3000]

So we should fire everybody because we’ve taken an expected step back on defense this year after losing 5 of our best players on that side of the ball?

Let’s face it, we aren’t sitting here at 2-2 because of the defense.

We’re 2-2 Bc of the schedule.

 

[NVA CANE]

lmao, culture talk. Cracks me up every time.

Those two examples get the best talent and those who don't make it get weeded out yearly.

It's not about the X's and O's, but the Jimmy's and Joe's. Coaching helps, but swap their players for ours and not one of you is saying culture today.

That’s the biggest load of bull****. You’ve got Charlie strong with a talented Texas roster consistently losing. You’ve got Michigan in a death struggle against army and then getting blown out by Wisconsin. You’ve got USCw that has superior talent to **** near ever team in the PAC yet they are below average **** near every year. All those teams had/have the Jimmys and Joes, but they consistently suck. Why, because their culture is poor or outdated or whatever you want to call it.

The more talent you have the more important culture is. Look at the talent Coker inherited and the lazy mediocre culture that permeated from him. It’s one of the most important facets in team sports especially with entitled talented players. Saban, Dabo, all run a tight ship and have established a culture that has complete buy in from the coaches down to the players. Why can the patriots bring in troubled players and succeed with them where other teams fail. It’s the culture that their head coach instituted.

 

[ShadowSpring]

Lots of bad signs during that game. Still holding out hope tho.

 

[NVA CANE]

I feel bad for whatever company you work for. I could only imagine the headaches you cause by refusing to man up and take the blame. Always trying to push the blame onto other. This is Mannys 4th season. Any issues on the defensive side falls on him. He recruited these kids, he coached these kids, it is his fault.

In the real world managers are blamed for making a bunch of awful hires. If one of my departments was a complete mess, that is the managers fault. Even if all of his employees are complete morons and there really is nothing the manager could do to motivate/train them. That falls on him for making all those poor hires.

If all these players on defense are just so soft, lazy and stupid that a good coach can't whip them into shape. Than that falls on Manny for recruiting them.

I can’t believe the above has to be explained to someone. The buck stops with the person in charge. Simple as that. if someone is underperforming and the manager or coach or ceo doesn’t take care of it, it’s their fault. If a whole department team or company is underperforming it’s the manager, coach, ceo, etc fault.

 

[88]

I warned you guys that his resume was very poor. He helped oversee a miserable Bucs OL chock full of awful run schemes and poor technique and personnel choices. The Bucs have a new offensive staff with the same OL - besides a new RG who Warhop/Barry refused to play - and are finally running the ball successfully with no turnstile pass pro culprits. Zion's technique issues are so blatant that it's hard to believe any teaching is going on. Campbell has an even greater variety of flaws but nothing as drastic as Zion's 'open gate' pass sets. Many pass protection schemes fail by design and the rest of them fail to account for personnel issues.

This is an amateur staff that's in way over their heads. Diaz & Baker say the right things but run nonsense schemes. Enos can design good plays but has no idea how to adjust to personnel, and the offense has no identity and no fusion between the run & pass game. Stubblefield seems like a technical teacher type considering his background and how he talks about it but Osborn is the only receiver with decent technique. Stroud has been a huge downgrade as it seems like he's actively coaching the DL not to rush the passer. We all know Patke and Banda would be lucky to have G5 jobs if not for Diaz. Corners are well schooled thanks to Rumph but it matters less and less as we gravitate to zone blitzes and off coverage more and more.

Yeah it's bad and it's not worth going into greater detail than this.

When Mckinnie was WTFing our oline technique you knew we were fugged.

 

[TheOldU2002]

This is where a lot of us find ourselves. We weren’t bashing Manny before or after game 1. We thought we’d get similar play on D as last year and an improved Offense, 2-3 losses and something to build on and look forward to but we got this... and we can’t ignore it. We know what it is.

I knew we had a problem after UNC but I did my best to give this staff 4 games before calling this shît out for what it is. I hate that I feel this way. I didn’t want to be this guy. Fûck this. It is what it is and I’m not going to be complicit in their corchery by white knighting for them.

Heres my thing with the whole “we’d get the same D” thing:

We saw in 2007 what happens when the DC is elevated and brings in a green as **** guy to run his scheme. It was bad then, yet people just ignored the history.

If Manny had brought in Don Brown and Larry Fedora, men with proven track records of coordinating excellence, thatd be one thing.

Miami fans seem incapable of getting over this idea that becoming a Cane automaticallt makes someone great. It doesn’t. The marketplace dictates what coaches are legit. A guy who was headed to Temple is a coach that we want NO PART OF, period.

 

[canesdogo]

This last part is interesting, and I have never really thought of it before, but it is really absurd how small of a percent of the BoT actually went to UM either for undergrad or grad school. I don’t know what the makeup is at schools around the country, but I would bet a large sum of money that we are one of the few schools in the country with that situation.

It is not where you went to school, but rather what you can contribute to the growth and development of the U... advice, financial, short term, long term projection, school growth, etc..

 

[HighSeas]

When Mckinnie was WTFing our oline technique you knew we were fugged.

I didn't see that. Link?