This was up there on the Canes Mt. Rushmore of ****

[TemplarCane]

The only examples you can name are Clappy & Chizik..in 130 yrs of CFB, and you're trying to convince me that talent is more important than coaching?? LMAO. I agree that you need talent to win a championship, but definitely not to be a successful CFB program. The bottom line is there are way more examples of teams that weren't the most talented but still won because of coaching, then there are if the situation was reversed. Those are the facts

We have different ideas of success.

As a Cane fan, I define successful as winning championships. Not occasionally winning 9-10 games by padding your schedule and wetting the bed against top competition.

LMAO.

 

[HurricaneHauk]

Those wanting to put it all on the coaches, got a question.

Zion, our young *** left tackle, what kept him from putting his hands on the guy running by him to Jarren? You don't think coaches teach him that simple concept? What about our other OL getting run over?

Yes, there are coaching issues, but it isn't all on them or even close to it.

It's been an on going issue

It's the coaches job to replace him if he is still making the same mistakes

 

[Cajuncane]

We have different ideas on success.

As a Cane fan, I define successful as winning championships. Not occasionally winning 9-10 games by padding your schedule and wetting the bed against top competition.

LMAO.

It might be time we lower our expectations cause we are worlds away from even thinking about playing for a NC non the less playing in one....we can’t win in the weakest conference in the country so defining success right now as winning NC’s is ludicrous.

 

[RVACane]

The only examples you can name are Clappy & Chizik..in 130 yrs of CFB, and you're trying to convince me that talent is more important than coaching?? LMAO. I agree that you need talent to win a championship, but definitely not to be a successful CFB program. The bottom line is there are way more examples of teams that weren't the most talented but still won because of coaching, then there are if the situation was reversed. Those are the facts

We need strong coaching off the bat that can maximize our talent. Then the next guy can take it to the final levels.

 

[TemplarCane]

It might be time we lower our expectations cause we are worlds away from even thinking about playing for a NC non the less playing in one....we can’t win in the weakest conference in the country so defining success right now as winning NC’s is ludicrous.

Of course.

My expectations for 2019 were 9-10 wins and the ACC Coastal. Play Clemson tougher than we did two years ago. 2021 was the season I was expecting have a chance to match Clemson (no Lawrence).

But I fell for #TNM hype and our overrated talent.

Now I’m on a wait-and-see schedule.

 

[SayWhat]

The only outliers are MIA & maybe Auburn. They are the only programs in the HISTORY of the sport to win championships with less than elite coaching. You need talent to win championships, but you definitely don't need it to be a successful CFB program. Iowa has proven that. Wisconsin has proven that. Syracuse the last 2 yrs have proven that..losing to Clemson by a COMBINED 7 pts. I want you to understand 1 thing..the essential nature of the sport is that it is developmental in nature, because we are dealing with 18-22 yr old kids. These are all unfinished products in every sense imaginable..which is why coaching will always be more important than talent in this sport. You can't try to prove your pt by citing only 2 examples in 130 yrs of CFB. I'm sorry that's not how it works

LMFAO at your examples.

Iowa what? They suck besides two seasons.

Syracuse, they suck as well.

Wiscy is a proven system team. They find their guys and run the same system year after year.

Conference games can always be trouble, no matter how good your team is. Did BC have an outstanding staff when Reed saved us? Rutgers or Temple, close game until the last quarter? That was our best team arguably and was that some outstanding coaching on their part, us looking past or what?

Syracuse and Clemson, please. Why can't they do that to everyone? Clemson was their super bowl. Being on top, you always get your opponents best.

Guess you forgot or didn't notice the 41 or whatever to 6 thrashing Clemson put on Syracuse this year. Too funny.

Quit moving the goalposts. This isn't 25 years ago where players have to wait three years to hit the field. Strength and nutrition in high school is light years of where it once was. Redshirts are largely a thing of the past and today's recruits are far more physically developed than they ever have been. Sure, you can teach them things and fine tune their physique, but the top guys are coming in jacked now. Camps are every weekend and they're exposed to more than they ever have been from a coaching standpoint.

Nice dodge on Leach. Pretty much addressing nothing I've said. Waste of my time. You haven't proven a thing I've said wrong and I've wasted anything you've put up. Don't debate, you suck at it.

 

[Cajuncane]

Of course.

My expectations for 2019 were 9-10 wins and the ACC Coastal. Play Clemson tougher than we did two years ago. 2021 was the season I was expecting have a chance to match Clemson (no Lawrence).

But I fell for #TNM hype and our overrated talent.

Now I’m on a wait-and-see schedule.

There with you but got a feeling this 15 year wait is only the beginning..

 

[TemplarCane]

There with you but got a feeling this 15 year wait is only the beginning..

Sadly, I agree with you.

 

[Tee3000]

Those wanting to put it all on the coaches, got a question.

Zion, our young *** left tackle, what kept him from putting his hands on the guy running by him to Jarren? You don't think coaches teach him that simple concept? What about our other OL getting run over?

Yes, there are coaching issues, but it isn't all on them or even close to it.

They allow it by continuing to play him. Pretty simple concept.

 

[SayWhat]

The only examples you can name are Clappy & Chizik..in 130 yrs of CFB, and you're trying to convince me that talent is more important than coaching?? LMAO. I agree that you need talent to win a championship, but definitely not to be a successful CFB program. The bottom line is there are way more examples of teams that weren't the most talented but still won because of coaching, then there are if the situation was reversed. Those are the facts

Since the BCS Era began smart guy, tell me which teams weren't the most talented, but won won a ship?

When Clemson and Bama face off, both coaches are elite, but what separates the winner from the loser? Talent. Throw Urban into the mix as well, same answer will be found.

Love you 130 years strawman bs. Let's go ahead and compare life without cars to life with. No television and unlimited scholarships to limited scholarships.

You are silly man.

 

[SayWhat]

They allow it by continuing to play him. Pretty simple concept.

That they do, but man, what if he is really our best option. Crazy.

 

[TemplarCane]

Since the BCS Era began smart guy, tell me which teams weren't the most talented, but won won a ship?

When Clemson and Bama face off, both coaches are elite, but what separates the winner from the loser? Talent. Throw Urban into the mix as well, same answer will be found.

Love you 130 years strawman bs. Let's go ahead and compare life without cars to life with. No television and unlimited scholarships to limited scholarships.

You are silly man.

I thought this was the 150th year of CFB? Is he trying to say the first 20 years don’t count?

 

[Corch Enamelstain]

Chise,

This performance felt like a train to Auschwitz. But, I am used to them by now. As for the staff and HC, what has changed? As for the people making the hires, more illogical and irrational decision making. What can you expect?

It has been a long time since we've had our last relevant season (2003) and all we've done during that time is go with the self-inflicted cancer route. This is an easy fix, I just don't think they want to make said fix. They prefer cancer.

Also, my preferred nickname is Cuban Radio.

what makes this situation marginally better is that we know we are fuvked but many jews didnt. Besides that, pretty much yea.

 

[OriginalGatorHater]

Sure, make excuses for the players. What about the lack of success in the weight room, is that all on the coaches too?

Have you never been in a managerial position in your life? When the entire team sucks it falls on the managers.

 

[OriginalGatorHater]

The only outliers are MIA & maybe Auburn. They are the only programs in the HISTORY of the sport to win championships with less than elite coaching. You need talent to win championships, but you definitely don't need it to be a successful CFB program. Iowa has proven that. Wisconsin has proven that. Syracuse the last 2 yrs have proven that..losing to Clemson by a COMBINED 7 pts. I want you to understand 1 thing..the essential nature of the sport is that it is developmental in nature, because we are dealing with 18-22 yr old kids. These are all unfinished products in every sense imaginable..which is why coaching will always be more important than talent in this sport. You can't try to prove your pt by citing only 2 examples in 130 yrs of CFB. I'm sorry that's not how it works

At the same time though, no one has won an NC purely based off coaching with low levels of talent. The closest anyone has came to doing that is Leach(LOL!) and Chryst. Neither of them have even made the playoffs.

So he named 2 teams that won NCs purely based off talent(there are more), but there are 0 teams that won NCs with even average levels of talent with elite HCs.

 

[TemplarCane]

At the same time though, no one has won an NC purely based off coaching with low levels of talent. The closest anyone has came to doing that is Leach(LOL!) and Chryst. Neither of them have even made the playoffs.

So he named 2 teams that won NCs purely based off talent(there are more), but there are 0 teams that won NCs with even average levels of talent with elite HCs.

Elite HCs collect the best talent. Part of the job description. There are elite HCs that can’t consistently build an elite roster, like Shaw at Stanford and D’Antonio at Michigan State, for a variety of reasons.

But yes, there are 0 NC teams you’d claim had average talent. The winning coach may have out-coached his rival in the NC game but didn’t win with the talent level of a typical 8-5, 9-4 team.

 

[OriginalGatorHater]

Elite HCs collect the best talent. Part of the job description. There are elite HCs that can’t consistently build an elite roster, like Shaw at Stanford and D’Antonio at Michigan State, for a variety of reasons.

But yes, there are 0 NC teams you’d claim had average talent. The winning coach may have out-coached his rival in the NC game but didn’t win with the talent level of a typical 8-5, 9-4 team.

That is kind of my point. You need to be a great recruiter to be elite in CFB. This isn't the NFL where the guys are at least close enough in talent where you can't just out talent your way to the SB.

Recruiting is probably 75% of the equation when it comes to CFB.

 

[TemplarCane]

That is kind of my point. You need to be a great recruiter to be elite in CFB. This isn't the NFL where the guys are at least close enough in talent where you can't just out talent your way to the SB.

Recruiting is probably 75% of the equation when it comes to CFB.

Agreed. A HC who can recruit and hire a great staff can win NCs. Dabo is a perfect example. No one ever accused him of being an X/O wizard. He hires them instead.

We’re all hoping Manny is the same guy but my hope is shot until proven otherwise.

 

[TruCane81]

Shanny and his staff and team are all a mess. That game was reminiscent of all of the worst we’ve seen here over the last two decades of diarrhea—the NC State Kirby Freeman 1 for 11 for 8 yards game; Shanntard’s USF farewell; Folden’s Clemson death march.

This one was right up there with the worst of the worst, and we’ve seen a ton of horrible football here over the last 20 years. Football doesn’t get much worse than what we saw out there yesterday.

We are completely outclassed in the coaching department every week aside from Bethune. Just look at that moribund staff Shanny assembled.

What has any of them done in their careers at their current position that has distinguished them? Barry? Who the fck is this goofy looking fck? I follow football closer than anyone, and I never heard of him until Shanny dragged him in here.

Stubby? Fired everywhere he’s been.

Patke and Tom Cruz? Two guys who should be working at Lowe’s.

Why is Akron so prominent on our coaching resumes? The Bowden/Amato connection? That’s all our HC has? A connection to a couple withered prunes with saggier t1ts than my grandma?

Nothing like a death match at home with a directional Michigan school to deplete the patience of many fans that were in wait and see mode.

 

[TruCane81]

I wouldn’t say that. I think they are a victim of their culture, and until they get into a new one, they’ve got no shot. The culture at Miami can’t mirror the culture of SF prep sports. That’s a recipe for losing regardless of scheme, play calling, etc.

There are certainly positives about SF sports, but the proma donna, I can succeed on talent alone bull**** is bad.

Same old lazy millennial nonsense.

Kids don’t know what greatness looks likes.

They find it when they look in the eyes of their leaders to see if they really believe what they are teaching.

You can talk a good game about standards and accountability, but the players know what is real when they look into their coaches eyes and they ALWAYS perform to that level of the coach’s true belief.

The players are sensing fear, confusion, false bravado, stubbornness, and incompetence. They are taking that onto the practice field and into the games.

Most of the staff is in over their head and it shows in EVERYTHING we do.

Expecting 18-22 year olds to lead themselves as a group to excellence is a pipe dream and will end in failure.

This isn’t the end of Manny’s story but it will be if he doesn’t figure out some solutions.