This was up there on the Canes Mt. Rushmore of ****

[1983cane]

That was another thing...

If there receivers didn't have a serious bad case of the drops, they would have actually kick our ***.

 

[RVACane]

Didn't Enos reach out to Manny? Didn't he interview Fedora, Seider? I don't completely but this notion... The coaching community isn't that big.

I think there was talk about Seider on the board and that he’d want an OC or Co-OC title.

 

[streetja]

What coaching tree does Manny even belong to? The guys that mentored him suck and the guys he mentored suck even more. It's really a no hope situation.

 

[skeeter]

Why is Akron so prominent on our coaching resumes?

there is a lot of Akron and Incarnate Word

 

[SayWhat]

Only a dummy would say Jimmy's & Joe's are more important than coaching in a developmental sport like CFB. Last time I checked only the best coaches win yr after yr. Not only that but the best players are on teams that have the best coaching. Funny how that works. Thats what you call a bi-directional relationship..fyi

Obviously you've missed posts discussing where the top talent goes and how those same programs continually churn out good teams with little exception.

Coaching can make up some of a talent gap, but great talent can cover up average coaching.

 

[TemplarCane]

Didn't Enos reach out to Manny? Didn't he interview Fedora, Seider? I don't completely but this notion... The coaching community isn't that big.

I don’t know the full story. I do recall Manny thought highly of Enos as an OC from the days when Arkansas played Mississippi State. I don’t know who reached out to whom. Fedora and Seider? No idea.

When I say ‘Manny doesn’t know anyone’ I mean he doesn’t get the immediate respect of anyone. Coach Kool was one of the most respected DL coaches in CFB when he left Missouri. Richt knew him from coaching against him in the SEC for years. Kool also knew Richt, ‘took the call’ so to speak, and they worked out a deal, even before Manny was hired.

Do you think Manny gets that respect? When Jess Simpson returned to the NFL Manny hired the Akron DL coach, someone he knew from 15 years earlier when working at NC State. That’s the best Manny could do.

Big difference.

The boards are killing the hire of Blake Baker as DC. Why was he hired? He was a Manny protege from LA Tech. Maybe he was inexpensive.

But do you think a high level P5 DC is going to work for Manny?

 

[Trafficante]

Obviously you've missed posts discussing where the top talent goes and how those same programs continually churn out good teams with little exception.

Coaching can make up some of a talent gap, but great talent can cover up average coaching.

Continually turn out good teams?? GTFOH. Is that why Bama has won ALL of their championships under 2 coaches? How about Ohio State? Since 1890..they have been able to win championships with 4 different coaches. The same is true for USC & ND as well. You said that talent can cover up for average coaching..please name some examples of where that's true. I can however cite numerous examples where the reverse is true. Every single yr..there are teams that don't necessarily recruit that well, but still end up having successful seasons. Wash St is only one of many examples that I can name..

So it appears to me..that the only one not really understanding what's going on, is you.

 

[Pearson704]

I don’t know the full story. I do recall Manny thought highly of Enos as an OC from the days when Arkansas played Mississippi State. I don’t know who reached out to whom. Fedora and Seider? No idea.

When I say ‘Manny doesn’t know anyone’ I mean he doesn’t get the immediate respect of anyone. Coach Kool was one of the most respected DL coaches in CFB when he left Missouri. Richt knew him from coaching against him in the SEC for years. Kool also knew Richt, ‘took the call’ so to speak, and they worked out a deal, even before Manny was hired.

Do you think Manny gets that respect? When Jess Simpson returned to the NFL Manny hired the Akron DL coach, someone he knew from 15 years earlier when working at NC State. That’s the best Manny could do.

Big difference.

The boards are killing the hire of Blake Baker as DC. Why was he hired? He was a Manny protege from LA Tech. Maybe he was inexpensive.

But do you think a high level P5 DC is going to work for Manny?

Money talks. Manny did what Richt did and it had more to do with the familiarity Manny has with them than the other way around.

 

[Dawgcane]

Good some prominent well respected posters have saw the light. Go carry that mantle chise 100

Most saw it when staff being assembled, but some saw all savages coming in and especially signing to many portal rejects. We all see the truth now and it is going to be painful rest of year.

 

[Dwinstitles]

Most saw it when staff being assembled, but some saw all savages coming in and especially signing to many portal rejects. We all see the truth now and it is going to be painful rest of year.

If u rely on the portal that was a huge red flag........West Virginia does that **** man. We had fans saying portal U like that **** was cool. I’m like **** we have fallen far for fans to cheer that transfer ****

 

[Dawgcane]

This is where a lot of us find ourselves. We weren’t bashing Manny before or after game 1. We thought we’d get similar play on D as last year and an improved Offense, 2-3 losses and something to build on and look forward to but we got this... and we can’t ignore it. We know what it is.

I knew we had a problem after UNC but I did my best to give this staff 4 games before calling this shît out for what it is. I hate that I feel this way. I didn’t want to be this guy. Fûck this. It is what it is and I’m not going to be complicit in their corchery by white knighting for them.

Hate to say my friend, but see no improvements over Richt and his staff.

 

[SayWhat]

Continually turn out good teams?? GTFOH. Is that why Bama has won ALL of their championships under 2 coaches? How about Ohio State? Since 1890..they have been able to win championships with 4 different coaches. The same is true for USC & ND as well. You said that talent can cover up for average coaching..please name some examples of where that's true. I can however cite numerous examples where the reverse is true. Every single yr..there are teams that don't necessarily recruit that well, but still end up having successful seasons. Wash St is only one of many examples that I can name..

So it appears to me..that the only one not really understanding what's going on, is you.

Guess you missed our last title. Perfect example of great talent covering up average coaching. Same stuff was true the year after and the next. As the talent went down, so did our win totals. You were set up my friend.

Football is a team sport and sometimes teams can have a good season or two out of nowhere. They can't stay at the top though, the talent isn't there and other teams catch on to what they're doing. That's how you have those outliers.

You cited Washington State. Washington State has a guy who has proven to put up wins everywhere he's been although it's hit or miss season to season. Beyond that, they're nothing special. He's an outlier, not even close to the norm. Ever wonder though why he can't consistently do it year to year? He doesn't get the top talent.

Dude has two 11 win seasons and the rest of his 20 or so years his best is 9 wins or lower. Did he forget how to coach those other years or did he not have the horses to ve more successful when push came to shove with the powerhouse programs.

His head to head record isn't good against top 25 teams. In fact it is dead last in his conference besides two guys who didn't have any head coaching experience. Case closed.

Mike Leach

Washington State

13-41

24.07%

 

[RVACane]

Hate to say my friend, but see no improvements over Richt and his staff.

I think it’s worse.

 

[TemplarCane]

Continually turn out good teams?? GTFOH. Is that why Bama has won ALL of their championships under 2 coaches? How about Ohio State? Since 1890..they have been able to win championships with 4 different coaches. The same is true for USC & ND as well. You said that talent can cover up for average coaching..please name some examples of where that's true. I can however cite numerous examples where the reverse is true. Every single yr..there are teams that don't necessarily recruit that well, but still end up having successful seasons. Wash St is only one of many examples that I can name..

So it appears to me..that the only one not really understanding what's going on, is you.

Larry Coker went 35-3 his first three seasons, and 1 loss was due to one of the worst calls in CFB history. He should have started his HC career with consecutive undefeated NCs. He was an average HC. He wisely got out of the player’s way. The program required a better HC after key team leaders departed, and the program slowly slipped to where we are today.

Gene Chisik won a NC at Aurburn. Why? Cam Newton. Chisik never sniffed success other than his 14-0 season with Cam.

Coaching and schematic work can definitely make up for talent deficiencies but championship teams require the best talent. Name a NC team since the start of the BCS era that wasn’t one of the most talented teams.

 

[Cajuncane]

What coaching tree does Manny even belong to? The guys that mentored him suck and the guys he mentored suck even more. It's really a no hope situation.

Didn’t have a tree.more like a hedge or a bush..

 

[Trafficante]

Guess you missed our last title. Perfect example of great talent covering up average coaching. Same stuff was true the year after and the next. As the talent went down, so did our win totals. You were set up my friend.

Football is a team sport and sometimes teams can have a good season or two out of nowhere. They can't stay at the top though, the talent isn't there and other teams catch on to what they're doing. That's how you have those outliers.

You cited Washington State. Washington State has a guy who has proven to put up wins everywhere he's been although it's hit or miss season to season. Beyond that, they're nothing special. He's an outlier, not even close to the norm. Ever wonder though why he can't consistently do it year to year? He doesn't get the top talent.

Dude has two 11 win seasons and the rest of his 20 or so years his best is 9 wins or lower. Did he forget how to coach those other years or did he not have the horses to ve more successful when push came to shove with the powerhouse programs.

His head to head record isn't good against top 25 teams. In fact it is dead last in his conference besides two guys who didn't have any head coaching experience. Case closed.

Mike Leach

Washington State

13-41

24.07%

The only outliers are MIA & maybe Auburn. They are the only programs in the HISTORY of the sport to win championships with less than elite coaching. You need talent to win championships, but you definitely don't need it to be a successful CFB program. Iowa has proven that. Wisconsin has proven that. Syracuse the last 2 yrs have proven that..losing to Clemson by a COMBINED 7 pts. I want you to understand 1 thing..the essential nature of the sport is that it is developmental in nature, because we are dealing with 18-22 yr old kids. These are all unfinished products in every sense imaginable..which is why coaching will always be more important than talent in this sport. You can't try to prove your pt by citing only 2 examples in 130 yrs of CFB. I'm sorry that's not how it works

 

[ThomasM]

I think Golden’s teams woulda spanked us yesterday. It was like a drama epitomizing all the terrible football we’ve been subjected to over the past 15-20 years.

It's sad, but this O wouldn't have scored on Doughnuts D yesterday. It was just that bad.

 

[Trafficante]

Larry Coker went 35-3 his first three seasons, and 1 loss was due to one of the worst calls in CFB history. He should have started his HC career with consecutive undefeated NCs. He was an average HC. He wisely got out of the player’s way. The program required a better HC after key team leaders departed, and the program slowly slipped to where we are today.

Gene Chisik won a NC at Aurburn. Why? Cam Newton. Chisik never sniffed success other than his 14-0 season with Cam.

Coaching and schematic work can definitely make up for talent deficiencies but championship teams require the best talent. Name a NC team since the start of the BCS era that wasn’t one of the most talented teams.

The only examples you can name are Clappy & Chizik..in 130 yrs of CFB, and you're trying to convince me that talent is more important than coaching?? LMAO. I agree that you need talent to win a championship, but definitely not to be a successful CFB program. The bottom line is there are way more examples of teams that weren't the most talented but still won because of coaching, then there are if the situation was reversed. Those are the facts

 

[HighSeas]

What has any of them done in their careers at their current position that has distinguished them? Barry? Who the fck is this goofy looking fck? I follow football closer than anyone, and I never heard of him until Shanny dragged him in here.

I warned you guys that his resume was very poor. He helped oversee a miserable Bucs OL chock full of awful run schemes and poor technique and personnel choices. The Bucs have a new offensive staff with the same OL - besides a new RG who Warhop/Barry refused to play - and are finally running the ball successfully with no turnstile pass pro culprits. Zion's technique issues are so blatant that it's hard to believe any teaching is going on. Campbell has an even greater variety of flaws but nothing as drastic as Zion's 'open gate' pass sets. Many pass protection schemes fail by design and the rest of them fail to account for personnel issues.

This is an amateur staff that's in way over their heads. Diaz & Baker say the right things but run nonsense schemes. Enos can design good plays but has no idea how to adjust to personnel, and the offense has no identity and no fusion between the run & pass game. Stubblefield seems like a technical teacher type considering his background and how he talks about it but Osborn is the only receiver with decent technique. Stroud has been a huge downgrade as it seems like he's actively coaching the DL not to rush the passer. We all know Patke and Banda would be lucky to have G5 jobs if not for Diaz. Corners are well schooled thanks to Rumph but it matters less and less as we gravitate to zone blitzes and off coverage more and more.

Yeah it's bad and it's not worth going into greater detail than this.

 

[k9cane]

I warned you guys that his resume was very poor. He helped oversee a miserable Bucs OL chock full of awful run schemes and poor technique and personnel choices. The Bucs have a new offensive staff with the same OL - besides a new RG who Warhop/Barry refused to play - and are finally running the ball successfully with no turnstile pass pro culprits. Zion's technique issues are so blatant that it's hard to believe any teaching is going on. Campbell has an even greater variety of flaws but nothing as drastic as Zion's 'open gate' pass sets. Many pass protection schemes fail by design and the rest of them fail to account for personnel issues.

This is an amateur staff that's in way over their heads. Diaz & Baker say the right things but run nonsense schemes. Enos can design good plays but has no idea how to adjust to personnel, and the offense has no identity and no fusion between the run & pass game. Stubblefield seems like a technical teacher type considering his background and how he talks about it but Osborn is the only receiver with decent technique. Stroud has been a huge downgrade as it seems like he's actively coaching the DL not to rush the passer. We all know Patke and Banda would be lucky to have G5 jobs if not for Diaz. Corners are well schooled thanks to Rumph but it matters less and less as we gravitate to zone blitzes and off coverage more and more.

Yeah it's bad and it's not worth going into greater detail than this.

this was thoroughly depressing to read.... lol(but not in a ha ha way)