oh yeah we have not been dominate up front since B.Davis guy Moffet left. I am pretty sure CMD gets it and what it takes to win at top levelit better, otherwise...
oh yeah we have not been dominate up front since B.Davis guy Moffet left. I am pretty sure CMD gets it and what it takes to win at top levelit better, otherwise...
Part of this is scheme as well. We didn't use deception. We didn't help our QBs identify coverages by using motion. We ran predictable plays in predictable down and distances. I'm not saying our OL was anywhere near perfect, but it's hard to win battles when the other team has a headstart and they're either as good or better than your guys.
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Clemson's OL was the unsung MVP of the title game. They controlled Alabama's front. Miami's OL, by contrast, struggled to move Savannah St.
I took the starting lineup from the title game and the Pinstripe Bowl. Here's how it shakes out, via the 247 Composite rating:
Mitch Hyatt- 98.97
John Simpson- 93.32
Justin Falcinelli- 86.56
Gage Cervenka- 84.95
Tremayne Anchrum- 87.06
Average- 90.172
Tyree St. Louis- 90.01
Venzell Boulware- 88.72
Hayden Mahoney- 84.93
Navaughn Donaldson- 96.55
Delone Scaife- 93.78
Average- 90.798
We need to recruit better on OL, especially after last year. But it is much more important that we coach up the talented players we already have.
Clemson's OL was the unsung MVP of the title game. They controlled Alabama's front. Miami's OL, by contrast, struggled to move Savannah St.
I took the starting lineup from the title game and the Pinstripe Bowl. Here's how it shakes out, via the 247 Composite rating:
Mitch Hyatt- 98.97
John Simpson- 93.32
Justin Falcinelli- 86.56
Gage Cervenka- 84.95
Tremayne Anchrum- 87.06
Average- 90.172
Tyree St. Louis- 90.01
Venzell Boulware- 88.72
Hayden Mahoney- 84.93
Navaughn Donaldson- 96.55
Delone Scaife- 93.78
Average- 90.798
We need to recruit better on OL, especially after last year. But it is much more important that we coach up the talented players we already have.
Our OL in the NFL are not recent kids, and not indicative of the guys we have on the roster now. Nor Searels’ evals. Surely you don’t mean that. Not even sure why you’d go there. Linder wasnt a recent eval for UM, and his contract has nothing to do with this topic. You yourself note Clemson’s talent on Ol is heading up and ours isn’t. That’s the point.We have five OL in the NFL. All five started at least one game.
Clemson only has one OL who even played in the NFL last year. And that guy only played because the starter (Brandon Linder, the highest paid C of all-time) got hurt.
To be clear, I expect this to change. Clemson is going to start bringing in monsters on the OL. But they got to the peak of the mountain with worse OL talent than we've had for much of the past decade.
Couldn't agree more that scheme and predictable play calling put our OL at a disadvantage before the ball was even snapped. As many have noticed, one of the most encouraging things I've heard Enos state was that he would determine what our players do best and scheme to use those strengths to their advantage.Part of this is scheme as well. We didn't use deception. We didn't help our QBs identify coverages by using motion. We ran predictable plays in predictable down and distances. I'm not saying our OL was anywhere near perfect, but it's hard to win battles when the other team has a headstart and they're either as good or better than your guys.
All you need to know about our evals is Gluten took Brandon Loftus. No one who watched Loftus play in HS or camps thought he was a P5 player. Most I recall thought he wasn’t even a D1 kid.Just to take the devil's advocate side here....
It could also be that we're not doing a great job of IDENTIFYING good prospects on the offensive line. I tend to put a lot of emphasis on star rankings, but, if there's one position where stars probably don't matter as much, it would have to be offensive line.
I rather like what I'm hearing these days, about finding slimmer kids with athletic ability and bulking them up. I think that's probably a better approach than going after the overweight kids who are 300+ lbs in high school. ... and then they show up and they can't move. The one thing you can't teach is athletic ability.
I don't have any evidence that this is the best way to go, but I think offensive line is like any other position - athleticism is important. Give me a guy who's 250 with a lot of twitch and athletic ability over a guy who's 310 lbs and fat.
I think scouting services overvalue kids on the o-line who are big and fat, just because they are able to push around their high school comp. Better to get a guy with a good frame, who puts on muscle easily, who has a high athletic ceiling, and coach/bulk him up IMO.
Our OL in the NFL are not recent kids, and not indicative of the guys we have on the roster now. Nor Searels’ evals. Surely you don’t mean that. Not even sure why you’d go there. Linder wasnt a recent eval for UM, and his contract has nothing to do with this topic. You yourself note Clemson’s talent on Ol is heading up and ours isn’t. That’s the point.
Linder and Seantrel were Randy recruits IIRC. McDermott was a local 4* legacy kid. Obviously our coaching has to get better, but no one thinks our current OL roster matches Clemson on talent.
As I have been saying for ages, it’s not this or that or the other thing, it’s all of it. Bad evals, lazy recruiting, crap S&C, bad coaching.Nobody really knows about Searels’ evals because most of them haven’t played yet. I like the guys he brought in the ‘17 and ‘18 classes. That story has yet to be told.
But even when we had an OL full of NFL players, people were complaining about how soft they were. It’s hard to see their true talent when the unit is underachieving.
Part of this is scheme as well. We didn't use deception. We didn't help our QBs identify coverages by using motion. We ran predictable plays in predictable down and distances. I'm not saying our OL was anywhere near perfect, but it's hard to win battles when the other team has a headstart and they're either as good or better than your guys.
I don't think any of us disagree with u. coaching on oline was pathetic. there is talent there although first thing richt said was we need tackles I don't se any tackles and in 3 yrs used goldens guys who weren't tackles at tackle. The talent is there if we get a coach who can get it out of them. This is also where the s&c can really help with getting the bad weight off and good weight onClemson's OL was the unsung MVP of the title game. They controlled Alabama's front. Miami's OL, by contrast, struggled to move Savannah St.
I took the starting lineup from the title game and the Pinstripe Bowl. Here's how it shakes out, via the 247 Composite rating:
Mitch Hyatt- 98.97
John Simpson- 93.32
Justin Falcinelli- 86.56
Gage Cervenka- 84.95
Tremayne Anchrum- 87.06
Average- 90.172
Tyree St. Louis- 90.01
Venzell Boulware- 88.72
Hayden Mahoney- 84.93
Navaughn Donaldson- 96.55
Delone Scaife- 93.78
Average- 90.798
We need to recruit better on OL, especially after last year. But it is much more important that we coach up the talented players we already have.