This Is Getting Old RE: S&C/Nutrition

[TreOFive]

A quick, simple glance at Golden and even D'Onofrio, would prove conclusively, Golden knew diddly squat about proper nutrition.

You mean to tell me this guy did not know what he was doing? ***SHOCKER***

 

[Torocane]

Didn't Golden use to preach nutrition? Was he just completely bull****ting?

Well I never heard Golden mentioned body fat percentage once.
All he would talk about was how much weight they put on.
What Richt and Felder talk about makes sense increasing muscle mass while dropping body fat percentage.
To Golden if a guy added 50 pounds of fat he had a great offseason.

 

[Tad Footeball]

I'm stating the obvious here but it's clear that Alfredo embraced the stupid "old" stuff- ie his stereotyoical Big Ten type mentality toward player weight and measurables and the stupid "new" stuff in buzzword/over-emphasis on sports psychology based coaching and motivation. So the dude was just a big jug of all eras of stupid as a head corch.

That said, I know it's impossible to avoid but my goal wasn't to rehash the horror that was Golden's regime. I was just beyond annoyed at the quotes I saw here as I had flashbacks to how the players and Golden insinuated the same ridicule of Radio's tenure when it came to nutrition, etc. Thankfully we now have a coach that I'd assume would know what he's doing in this facet just based on the overall length of his resume as a successful head of a program.

 

[SoCalPete73]

All Golden cared about was the weight going up. It was apparent that he didn't care about what kind of weight it was or our starting RB wouldn't have been closer to 20% body fat than he was 10%.

It is amazing to me how effective guys like Duke Johnson, Denzel Perryman, etc. were in spite of Al Golden...

 

[FrancisSawyer]

I'm stating the obvious here but it's clear that Alfredo embraced the stupid "old" stuff- ie his stereotyoical Big Ten type mentality toward player weight and measurables and the stupid "new" stuff in buzzword/over-emphasis on sports psychology based coaching and motivation. So the dude was just a big jug of all eras of stupid as a head corch.

That said, I know it's impossible to avoid but my goal wasn't to rehash the horror that was Golden's regime. I was just beyond annoyed at the quotes I saw here as I had flashbacks to how the players and Golden insinuated the same ridicule of Radio's tenure when it came to nutrition, etc. Thankfully we now have a coach that I'd assume would know what he's doing in this facet just based on the overall length of his resume as a successful head of a program.

Yeah you hit it on the head. I'm going to go one step further. I truly believe the guy was in over his head and had zero idea of what to do as a head coach. As a matter of fact, I believe that he BS'd his way through his entire career. He knew what to say but had no clue how to implement any of it in reality.

To be very frank, I think the guy is a sociopath. I thought it was very telling that in an article on Golden I read that he was interested in going into politics. Not surprising one bit. Another thing that caught my eye was something from one of his old Temple videos that were going around when he first landed the UM gig. In one of the videos you can see a flyer on the wall that referred to the opening at Miami. This is just my gut here but the immediate visceral reaction was a feeling of a con artist looking for his next victim and an easy target. Late in 2010 after Shannon got fired and Shalala still in power, UM must have checked every box for him.

Think back to his initial press conference announcing his hiring. He knew exactly what to say to ingratiate himself to the administration, alumni, and fan base. Looking back on it, it it's easy to see how coldly calculated it all was. Al Golden is a garden variety sociopath and a compulsive liar who makes his psychological living by duping people into believing that he is something he is not. People like this will tell you whatever you want to hear in order for them to extract adulation, respect, money or whatever else without earning it or having any intention of doing anything they say.

 

[Cane Dynasty]

We win 10 this year

 

[Pearson704]

All Golden cared about was the weight going up. It was apparent that he didn't care about what kind of weight it was or our starting RB wouldn't have been closer to 20% body fat than he was 10%.

Nah, I think it's the S&C coach's prerogative to decide what kind of weight kids put on. If what you're saying holds water then S. Coley wouldn't have looked like a high-schooler the last 2 seasons compared to the way he looks now.

 

[Cane Dynasty]

All Golden cared about was the weight going up. It was apparent that he didn't care about what kind of weight it was or our starting RB wouldn't have been closer to 20% body fat than he was 10%.

Nah, I think it's the S&C coach's prerogative to decide what kind of weight kids put on. If what you're saying holds water then S. Coley wouldn't have looked like a high-schooler the last 2 seasons compared to the way he looks now.

You my friend....and I mean this in the best possible way.....you....are an idiot.

 

[canesbaby]

A quick, simple glance at Golden and even D'Onofrio, would prove conclusively, Golden knew diddly squat about proper nutrition.

You mean to tell me this guy did not know what he was doing? ***SHOCKER***

I don't like to live in the past but had to LOL at this post.

 

[cubin10]

AG really tried to sell the idea that he knew what he was doing and knew how to implement it. Unfortunately for us the only thing that AG turned out to be good at was being horrible. He was a shiesty, insecure, inept, used car salesman that masqueraded himself as a head coach.

But, but, but man had a 600 page plan, so he said.

 

[terdferguson]

Didn't Golden use to preach nutrition? Was he just completely bull****ting?

Golden preached bull****. You answered your question within your own statement.

Al Golden: We want to have the best nutritional program

Mind boggling

“If you’re not trying to be the best from a nutritional standpoint or from a strength and conditioning standpoint or from a preventative measure standpoint, then you’re behind.

He wanted a big 10 type kids big. Honestly Look how much slower are team got. He would take bad weight over speed

This is the absolute antithesis of miami football. Miami revolutionized college football in the 80s by emphasizing speed and athleticsm over size (I.e. turning safeties into lbs, and lbs into des, etc). That's our identity. The fact that golden did the opposite shows that he was the worst possible fit for our program.

 

[JHallCanes]

****** food is like putting ****** gas in your vehicle.

Sure some kids get away with it, especially when you're younger, but there isn't even a debate when you start talking about specialized nutrition and athletic performance. It's a fact.

Sounds like these guys understand it and are getting the players to buy in which is the important part.

 

[IndayArtHauz]

Golden preached bull****. You answered your question within your own statement.

Al Golden: We want to have the best nutritional program

Mind boggling

“If you’re not trying to be the best from a nutritional standpoint or from a strength and conditioning standpoint or from a preventative measure standpoint, then you’re behind.

[video=youtube_share;r7Tr_f0pTPY]http://youtu.be/r7Tr_f0pTPY[/video]

In the first ten seconds the guy says "Coach Golden sets the (weight) goals." Rather than let a professional do his job, Golden set the standards for each player. So on top of running everything else a head coach is supposed to be in charge of, the HC was in all likelihood setting the actual desired weight for some 85+ players on his team.

What the players say speaks volumes. Old staff it was, "Coach wants me at 215-220." New staff is, "I'm down to 11% body fat." Richt doesn't seem to care about total weight in a vacuum like Golden did. He wants performance strength, body fat %. It's astonishing that Golden had specific weight goals for each player, which tells you nothing about how well that player performs at the weight -- or even how strong they really are.

Yeah, ready to put this topic to bed.

Just one small point to consider, Richt knows he has some soft fat kids. Upping muscle mass and dropping body fat is goal number one, and should be easy to do from his starting point. I think we will see weight goals as time goes by over the next few years.

That's fair. Good point.

 

[imurcane]

Al Golden: We want to have the best nutritional program

Mind boggling

“If you’re not trying to be the best from a nutritional standpoint or from a strength and conditioning standpoint or from a preventative measure standpoint, then you’re behind.

[video=youtube_share;r7Tr_f0pTPY]http://youtu.be/r7Tr_f0pTPY[/video]

In the first ten seconds the guy says "Coach Golden sets the (weight) goals." Rather than let a professional do his job, Golden set the standards for each player. So on top of running everything else a head coach is supposed to be in charge of, the HC was in all likelihood setting the actual desired weight for some 85+ players on his team.

What the players say speaks volumes. Old staff it was, "Coach wants me at 215-220." New staff is, "I'm down to 11% body fat." Richt doesn't seem to care about total weight in a vacuum like Golden did. He wants performance strength, body fat %. It's astonishing that Golden had specific weight goals for each player, which tells you nothing about how well that player performs at the weight -- or even how strong they really are.

Yeah, ready to put this topic to bed.

Just one small point to consider, Richt knows he has some soft fat kids. Upping muscle mass and dropping body fat is goal number one, and should be easy to do from his starting point. I think we will see weight goals as time goes by over the next few years.

That's fair. Good point.

Im just happy I wasn't negged by a mod!

 

[AUcane]

Not to defend Folden, but I wonder if the difference in outcomes was a budget issue. After watching video of both nutrition guys, the big difference I notice between the two, is time spent with athletes. Musto was there a couple times per year and in "need" situations, whereas Bellamy is there 24/7. It sounds like Folden might have had the right idea, but Admin wouldn't commit all the way due to cost. Its been reported that when Richt came, he had certain "reqirements" for UM to step up to the plate(no pun intended) and meet. Wouldn't surprise me if a full commitment to a full time nutrition program was one of them.

This is how I see it as well, but I also see it as golden not really understanding how to fully utilize a nutrition guy. If so, it would have been more than a couple times a year. Golden did have the right idea - fixing the athlete mess hall, addressing nutrition, but his goals were at odds with good nutrition IMO.

 

[fivecent]

Not to defend Folden, but I wonder if the difference in outcomes was a budget issue. After watching video of both nutrition guys, the big difference I notice between the two, is time spent with athletes. Musto was there a couple times per year and in "need" situations, whereas Bellamy is there 24/7. It sounds like Folden might have had the right idea, but Admin wouldn't commit all the way due to cost. Its been reported that when Richt came, he had certain "reqirements" for UM to step up to the plate(no pun intended) and meet. Wouldn't surprise me if a full commitment to a full time nutrition program was one of them.

This is how I see it as well, but I also see it as golden not really understanding how to fully utilize a nutrition guy. If so, it would have been more than a couple times a year. Golden did have the right idea - fixing the athlete mess hall, addressing nutrition, but his goals were at odds with good nutrition IMO.

I am not sure that is true. It might be a case of the kids having poor/limited instruction and simply went about it the wrong way on their own.

 

[AUcane]

I think al was obsessed with weight numbers rather than total body. Jmo

 

[RBhurricane87]

"Super Size Me" Al had no f*cking clue what he was doing

What a total fraud that dude is...him and his potato defensive coordinator

Bunch of Jersey jabronis

 

[BigCaneAl]

I think al was obsessed with weight numbers rather than total body. Jmo

This, the guy was a massive size queen. Every time he'd get asked about a player he'd talk about how much they weighed. It was borderline pathological. Clearly the emphasis was slotting players into a weight by position they played versus effectiveness.

 

[CANE]

Not to defend Folden, but I wonder if the difference in outcomes was a budget issue. After watching video of both nutrition guys, the big difference I notice between the two, is time spent with athletes. Musto was there a couple times per year and in "need" situations, whereas Bellamy is there 24/7. It sounds like Folden might have had the right idea, but Admin wouldn't commit all the way due to cost. Its been reported that when Richt came, he had certain "reqirements" for UM to step up to the plate(no pun intended) and meet. Wouldn't surprise me if a full commitment to a full time nutrition program was one of them.

Donna was the root of all ills at MIAMI.