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This Defense could be dominant

DB was an easy one to point all the blame on but someone like OJ held his own…

LB play is what I think really killed the defense… it felt like any time an offenses needed to make a play they drew up a play to iso on Wes or Kiko and it worked time and time again… these boys better understand their role in the passing game because teams will keep going to the well of gimmie plays until we prove we can stop it
 
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Memnon said:
Idk about dominant.

But they should be better than last year.

Everything will come down to how fast they can adjust in season once teams figure out our weaknesses on film & start attacking it.
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What would you consider dominate, top 10 defense, top 5?

I agree with the adjustments, that’s one thing Hetherman does very well. He seems to have a lot of answers in his defense.
 
MumbleRap said:
Ridiculous, but shows it can be done
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Here is Hetherman vs Minnesota 2023 DC Joe Rossi, more proof that Hetherman can do it.

2023 DC Joe Rossi
  • Points Against per Game: 26.7 ppg
  • Passing Yards Allowed per Game: 219.3 ypg
  • Rushing Yards Allowed per Game: 149.1 ypg
  • Yards Allowed per Play: 5.95

2024 DC Corey Hetherman
  • Points Against per Game: 16.9 ppg
  • Passing Yards Allowed per Game: 176.1 ypg
  • Rushing Yards Allowed per Game: 109.6 ypg
  • Yards Allowed per Play: 4.76
You give a coach like Corey Hetherman a defense stacked with Miami talent, and it’s scary what he can do.

Look at what he did in just one year at Minnesota. The Gophers went from allowing 26.7 ppg to just 16.9 ppg, that a drop of 10 points per game. If Miami only allow 16.9 points per game, Miami is winning ring #6. Passing yards per game dropped 43 yards, rushing by 40, and yards per play by more than a yard. That’s a total transformation, and he did it without four 5star defensive linemen.

Now imagine Hetherman with Ruben Bain, a projected 1st rounder, David Blay a 1st team ALL Conference USA DT, four 5-star rotational defensive linemen, two freshman All-American DBs, plus a third who just missed the list but might be the most talented of the group. Add in a super veteran former All Conference middle linebacker who’s already played in his system, essentially his QB on the field, calling out checks and cleaning up any miscommunication
 
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Who will be handling KO and PR’s? Where does Keelon Marion (sp?) fit in?
 
PennsylvaniaCane said:
Cal had TD drives of

2:21
1:14
1:07
2:12

We had 3 & outs of

1:21
1:56
1:39

They scored faster than we could get them off the field.
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Unless all those drives were two plays or less, we could have gotten them off the field faster if the defense was good.

You would statistically have to have the worst defense in the history of football to finish in the top 15 in time of possession just because your defense gave up quick scores. I’m talking about giving up like 150 points per game bad.

There’s a metric called seconds per play that literally shows how fast or slow an offense is playing. It eliminates other variables and only focuses on how deliberate or hurried an offense is. Army was dead last at 32.7 seconds per play. North Texas was the fastest team at 19.9. Miami was 77th at 26.9 seconds per play. Miami’s offensive pace was literally slower than the average pace in college football last year.

Miami also led the nation in third down conversion percentage by a large margin. While finishing fifth in total third downs converted.

When you convert an absurd number of your third down opportunities while operating at a below average pace on offense, you’re going to finish near the top in time of possession. The idea that Miami’s offensive pace or time of possession had anything to do with the defense sucking so bad is stupid by even CIS standards.

Also, side note: just looking over the numbers, Miami had a historically great offense last year. Not just in terms of total yardage and scoring but in doing it while still controlling the clock and absolutely demolishing everyone else in yards per play. Anything over 6 yards per play (FBS competition only) is really good. Ole Miss finished second with 6.9 ypp. Miami was at 7.4. Miami was at the same time efficient and explosive while rarely losing yardage on plays. If we’re anywhere near that good this year we will be in the playoffs
 
Hstokes1447 said:
Here is Hetherman vs Minnesota 2023 DC Joe Rossi, more proof that Hetherman can do it.

2023 DC Joe Rossi
  • Points Against per Game: 26.7 ppg
  • Passing Yards Allowed per Game: 219.3 ypg
  • Rushing Yards Allowed per Game: 149.1 ypg
  • Yards Allowed per Play: 5.95

2024 DC Corey Hetherman
  • Points Against per Game: 16.9 ppg
  • Passing Yards Allowed per Game: 176.1 ypg
  • Rushing Yards Allowed per Game: 109.6 ypg
  • Yards Allowed per Play: 4.76
You give a coach like Corey Hetherman a defense stacked with Miami talent, and it’s scary what he can do.

Look at what he did in just one year at Minnesota. The Gophers went from allowing 26.7 ppg to just 16.9 ppg, that a drop of 10 points per game. If Miami only allow 16.9 points per game, Miami is winning ring #6. Passing yards per game dropped 43 yards, rushing by 40, and yards per play by more than a yard. That’s a total transformation, and he did it without four 5star defensive linemen.

Now imagine Hetherman with Ruben Bain, a projected 1st rounder, David Blay a 1st team ALL Conference USA DT, four 5-star rotational defensive linemen, two freshman All-American DBs, plus a third who just missed the list but might be the most talented of the group. Add in a super veteran former All Conference middle linebacker who’s already played in his system, essentially his QB on the field, calling out checks and cleaning up any miscommunication
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Man, you make a pretty compelling argument.
 
I see some similarities to 2016 in that the Canes have a new DC, simplified scheme, and a lot of young blue-chip DL. That group jumped from 84th to 13th in scoring defense. For reference, Miami was 70th last year.

But that's a best-case scenario, and they need to actually do it.
 
TexasCane90 said:
DB was an easy one to point all the blame on but someone like OJ held his own…

LB play is what I think really killed the defense… it felt like any time an offenses needed to make a play they drew up a play to iso on Wes or Kiko and it worked time and time again… these boys better understand their role in the passing game because teams will keep going to the well of gimmie plays until we prove we can stop it
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Good call. Have Kiko cover the wheel route. The play was good for 25 every time
 
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DTP said:
Unless all those drives were two plays or less, we could have gotten them off the field faster if the defense was good.

You would statistically have to have the worst defense in the history of football to finish in the top 15 in time of possession just because your defense gave up quick scores. I’m talking about giving up like 150 points per game bad.

There’s a metric called seconds per play that literally shows how fast or slow an offense is playing. It eliminates other variables and only focuses on how deliberate or hurried an offense is. Army was dead last at 32.7 seconds per play. North Texas was the fastest team at 19.9. Miami was 77th at 26.9 seconds per play. Miami’s offensive pace was literally slower than the average pace in college football last year.

Miami also led the nation in third down conversion percentage by a large margin. While finishing fifth in total third downs converted.

When you convert an absurd number of your third down opportunities while operating at a below average pace on offense, you’re going to finish near the top in time of possession. The idea that Miami’s offensive pace or time of possession had anything to do with the defense sucking so bad is stupid by even CIS standards.

Also, side note: just looking over the numbers, Miami had a historically great offense last year. Not just in terms of total yardage and scoring but in doing it while still controlling the clock and absolutely demolishing everyone else in yards per play. Anything over 6 yards per play (FBS competition only) is really good. Ole Miss finished second with 6.9 ypp. Miami was at 7.4. Miami was at the same time efficient and explosive while rarely losing yardage on plays. If we’re anywhere near that good this year we will be in the playoffs
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7 plays 89 yards
3 plays 56 yards
4 plays 75 yards
5 plays 80 yards

19 - 300 yards 28 points in just under 7 minutes.

We got stops all season long but then gave up TDs on huge chunk plays at an alarming rate.
 
DMoney said:
I see some similarities to 2016 in that the Canes have a new DC, simplified scheme, and a lot of young blue-chip DL. That group jumped from 84th to 13th in scoring defense. For reference, Miami was 70th last year.

But that's a best-case scenario, and they need to actually do it.
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Same, similar situation. Doesn’t even need to be best case though. A top 30 scoring defense and Miami cooking.
 
DMoney said:
I see some similarities to 2016 in that the Canes have a new DC, simplified scheme, and a lot of young blue-chip DL. That group jumped from 84th to 13th in scoring defense. For reference, Miami was 70th last year.

But that's a best-case scenario, and they need to actually do it.
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Then I hope this years VaTech game ain't like the 2016 VaTech game
 
JHallCanes said:
No doubt we’ve already seen the impact of it on offense

In 2022 we averaged 5.3 yards per play

In 2023 under Dawson we averaged 6.4 with pretty much the same cast of characters (last year we averaged 7.6 which is just laughable)
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This year, with the increased efficiency, I expect 8.5 a play, minimum. We honestly might not face a 3rd down until November.
 
Still a ton of questions on this defense to say they may be dominant. Toure to me is the key to this defense taking a next step and I just don’t think you can rely on his health. Bain again is getting a ton of hype and he looks like he’s dropped some of the bad weight but that sophomore year was such a waste I can’t just assume he will be elite again.
 
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The U is back to work said:
Still a ton of questions on this defense to say they may be dominant. Toure to me is the key to this defense taking a next step and I just don’t think you can rely on his health. Bain again is getting a ton of hype and he looks like he’s dropped some of the bad weight but that sophomore year was such a waste I can’t just assume he will be elite again.
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Realistically speaking, no different than when Manny took over. Remember in 2016 when we went into the season with 3 true freshman LBs? Had just lost our best defender in the 1st round as well.
 
MumbleRap said:
Realistically speaking, no different than when Manny took over. Remember in 2016 when we went into the season with 3 true freshman LBs? Had just lost our best defender in the 1st round as well.
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That Manny defense seemed to be very simple so the impact was quick. This one may be as well I just have no clue. Seems the easier the concepts for our kids the better.
 
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