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This current team reminds me of the 1999 squad

Golden has never beaten anyone that doesn't suck lol. And we keep getting manhandled in the trenches for years now. He is worst than Shannon. We had a decent OL and defense under him. Golden has no semblance of anyone except a insurance agent
 
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let me throw out some numbers to the OP:

1-23
2-5
1-19
0-6

now OP you may wonder, what does these numbers represent? Glad you asked....let's start w/ 1-23: this is F.A.G's overall record as a head coach when he faces a team w/ 8 wins or more the previous year. That's right, 1 win vs. 23 losses.
2-5: This is our beloved Canes record for the last 7 games.
1-19: This is our 3rd down conversion efficiency for the last 2 games.
0-6: This is Al's record for the last 2 yrs in swing games, games that could've swung us into controlling our own destiny in the ACC Coastal.

So do we REALLY remind you of the 1999 team? Butch had some quality wins sprinkled on his resume prior to 1999. Yeah we gave him a hard time, but guess what, at least the team showed signs. Do you know why UL was in our backfield all game?? BECAUSE WE RAN THE SAME CRAP AGAINST THEM IN THE BOWL GAME AND THEY HAD FILM ON US. THEY KNEW OUR PRE-SNAP BETTER THAN COLEY. Sorry, there is no comparison to the 1999 team.
 
Butch was coming off - 30 schollies reduction, not a "CLOUD". His teams lost because of legitimate depth issues.
 
More like the 1997 team before Butch fired his defensive coordinator. They weren't good until Schiano took over the defense.
 
Ayeplus said:
This current team reminds me of the 1999 squad, which is actually a good thing and interesting.

Let's start with coaches.

Butch Davis was in his 5th year and I think a year removed from the NCAA sanctions. That year when we lost a close game to Penn State, I remember listening to WQAM the next morning and fans were saying they "had it with Cokers horrendous play calling", and "Butch Davis is not a GAME DAY coach and he needs to be shown the door". Do you guys remember the infamous Chafie Fields play over Mike Rumph? I believe Miami was in Man Coverage when they should've been in Prevent Defense as the game was basically won. Butch Davis was scolded for that and guess who was the D Coordinator as well? Schiano. Do you guys also remember the horrendous play calling the next game against East Carolina, a team that did not practice for a whole week due to a Hurricane that hit that town? Miami started out fast and then got shut down and made a plethora of mistakes in the second half and East Carolina came back and snatched victory from the Canes. Once again, I tuned into WQAM, and fans called in sounding like they had pitch forks looking for Butch Davis and the rest of his staff. The team also went on to lose it's 3rd straight game that season against FSU. Seemed tragic, didn't it. Did I mention who our offensive coordinator was?

Player Personnel/Perception/Trajectory

Similar in many ways. Truth be told, nationally, and even our own fans didn't even know how stacked we were. I remember we had Kenny Kelly at QB with Ken Dorsey as backup. We had James Jackson in the backfield with Clinton Portis. We had a fleet of WR's like we do now and a mediocre O Line. We were actually stacked on defense with the likes of Dan Morgan, Nate Webster, Damione Lewis, Ed Reed etc. Our defensive talent and depth now is very similar to that team. We were listed as nationally irrelevant by most of the media as we are perceived that way now, but just 1 year later, in 2000, everybody was back on Miami's jock.

Bottom Line

I know I'm going to get negged, but the knee jerk reaction from last nights game has been real crazy. I already understand how fickle this fan base is and how quick the "off with his head" sirens go off when we lose a game. I will say this, this staff as well as these players have gone and are still going through the rigors, the same way that 1999 squad did, full of coaching errors and bone headed mistakes by players that cost games. I'm not apologizing for this current staff, but I do think because they have gone through the rigors, that is what will bring about greatness. Miami was full of talent in 1999 with your favorite coach Butch Davis and still managed to make fans (a lot of you same people on this board, and don't lie) sick to their stomachs with the losses they had, and it will be no different this year. I really believe Miami is on the brink of having an elite program. I predict that Miami will have another 9-4 season. I also believe that the 2015 season will be the season Miami wins the coastal and make a playoff appearance.
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Great post bro.

Thanks, I really needed a bit of historical perspective to keep my wits about me around some of the knee-jerk posters on this board.

Real talk, great post!
 
The O Line look more like the 1994 team with such standouts as Omar Andres, Kerlin Blaise, Freeman Brown, every mans favorite J Ina, KC Jones, Ricky Perry, Alan Synonnette, Mike Wehner and Robert Woodus
 
Rellyrell said:
let me throw out some numbers to the OP:

1-23
2-5
1-19
0-6

now OP you may wonder, what does these numbers represent? Glad you asked....let's start w/ 1-23: this is F.A.G's overall record as a head coach when he faces a team w/ 8 wins or more the previous year. That's right, 1 win vs. 23 losses.
2-5: This is our beloved Canes record for the last 7 games.
1-19: This is our 3rd down conversion efficiency for the last 2 games.
0-6: This is Al's record for the last 2 yrs in swing games, games that could've swung us into controlling our own destiny in the ACC Coastal.

So do we REALLY remind you of the 1999 team? Butch had some quality wins sprinkled on his resume prior to 1999. Yeah we gave him a hard time, but guess what, at least the team showed signs. Do you know why UL was in our backfield all game?? BECAUSE WE RAN THE SAME CRAP AGAINST THEM IN THE BOWL GAME AND THEY HAD FILM ON US. THEY KNEW OUR PRE-SNAP BETTER THAN COLEY. Sorry, there is no comparison to the 1999 team.
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This is one of my points. James Coley is still a relatively young play caller and went into the game with a QB who has only been on campus for a few months. Mix that in with an O Line still seeking some cohesion and experience on the right side and you have the perfect storm for what you saw last night on offense. There were plenty of times when Kaaya made the wrong reads as well as plenty of times Coley didn't dial up the right plays and even if Coley dialed up the right play, guess what? The O Line has to be on point in pass protection, and since they were not on point, then that means a true freshman QB has to QUICKLY make the right read/check down, which is a lot to ask of him right now. Yes, they still should've went all out with Kaaya, but any coaching staff would be hard pressed to do that, because the first thing you want to accomplish with a young QB is comfort and confidence. His comfort was already taken away because there was no running game and he kept getting hit. If they opened it up for Kaaya and he goes out and throws 4 picks, then that's a confidence killer. It's a double edged sword.
 
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Reminds me of the 2010 Canes.

Plenty of NFL talent that's going to be squandered because of bad coaching.
 
Ayeplus said:
Rellyrell said:
let me throw out some numbers to the OP:

1-23
2-5
1-19
0-6

now OP you may wonder, what does these numbers represent? Glad you asked....let's start w/ 1-23: this is F.A.G's overall record as a head coach when he faces a team w/ 8 wins or more the previous year. That's right, 1 win vs. 23 losses.
2-5: This is our beloved Canes record for the last 7 games.
1-19: This is our 3rd down conversion efficiency for the last 2 games.
0-6: This is Al's record for the last 2 yrs in swing games, games that could've swung us into controlling our own destiny in the ACC Coastal.

So do we REALLY remind you of the 1999 team? Butch had some quality wins sprinkled on his resume prior to 1999. Yeah we gave him a hard time, but guess what, at least the team showed signs. Do you know why UL was in our backfield all game?? BECAUSE WE RAN THE SAME CRAP AGAINST THEM IN THE BOWL GAME AND THEY HAD FILM ON US. THEY KNEW OUR PRE-SNAP BETTER THAN COLEY. Sorry, there is no comparison to the 1999 team.
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This is one of my points. James Coley is still a relatively young play caller and went into the game with a QB who has only been on campus for a few months. Mix that in with an O Line still seeking some cohesion and experience on the right side and you have the perfect storm for what you saw last night on offense. There were plenty of times when Kaaya made the wrong reads as well as plenty of times Coley didn't dial up the right plays and even if Coley dialed up the right play, guess what? The O Line has to be on point in pass protection, and since they were not on point, then that means a true freshman QB has to QUICKLY make the right read/check down, which is a lot to ask of him right now. Yes, they still should've went all out with Kaaya, but any coaching staff would be hard pressed to do that, because the first thing you want to accomplish with a young QB is comfort and confidence. His comfort was already taken away because there was no running game and he kept getting hit. If they opened it up for Kaaya and he goes out and throws 4 picks, then that's a confidence killer. It's a double edged sword.
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I hear what you are saying, but there's a difference between opening up the playbook and having him become a gun slinger. Let me ask, do you recall how many RB screens we threw? How about quick efficient West Coast passing of the 5-6 yrd variety? How about reverse naked bootlegs since they keyed in on Duke? Crossing patterns between Dorsett and Coley? You see, there are ways to open up the playbook while keeping it safe for the kid. We put him in the same predictable box as we put SteMo last yr in the bowl game. We didn't ask Kaaya to bomb it 50 yrds per play, but he could've been put in a position where he was able to move the chains. UL was being ultra aggressive and we did nothing to counter act that. Do you know why you can't be overly aggressive against FSU? B/c Jimbo will make the adjustment to torch that a$$. We, on the other hand, showed no creativity nor initative in our play calling and it burned us.
 
NY Shyne said:
More like the 1997 team before Butch fired his defensive coordinator. They weren't good until Schiano took over the defense.
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Butch fired Bill Miller after 98 so 99 was Schiano's first year here. Miller went to Michigan State to work for some dude named Nick Saban.
 
DJWilliams55 said:
Stop.

We've been making comparisons to 99 the last couple years.

Sometimes that light at the end of the tunnel is just a train.
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Rellyrell said:
Ayeplus said:
Rellyrell said:
let me throw out some numbers to the OP:

1-23
2-5
1-19
0-6

now OP you may wonder, what does these numbers represent? Glad you asked....let's start w/ 1-23: this is F.A.G's overall record as a head coach when he faces a team w/ 8 wins or more the previous year. That's right, 1 win vs. 23 losses.
2-5: This is our beloved Canes record for the last 7 games.
1-19: This is our 3rd down conversion efficiency for the last 2 games.
0-6: This is Al's record for the last 2 yrs in swing games, games that could've swung us into controlling our own destiny in the ACC Coastal.

So do we REALLY remind you of the 1999 team? Butch had some quality wins sprinkled on his resume prior to 1999. Yeah we gave him a hard time, but guess what, at least the team showed signs. Do you know why UL was in our backfield all game?? BECAUSE WE RAN THE SAME CRAP AGAINST THEM IN THE BOWL GAME AND THEY HAD FILM ON US. THEY KNEW OUR PRE-SNAP BETTER THAN COLEY. Sorry, there is no comparison to the 1999 team.
Click to expand...

This is one of my points. James Coley is still a relatively young play caller and went into the game with a QB who has only been on campus for a few months. Mix that in with an O Line still seeking some cohesion and experience on the right side and you have the perfect storm for what you saw last night on offense. There were plenty of times when Kaaya made the wrong reads as well as plenty of times Coley didn't dial up the right plays and even if Coley dialed up the right play, guess what? The O Line has to be on point in pass protection, and since they were not on point, then that means a true freshman QB has to QUICKLY make the right read/check down, which is a lot to ask of him right now. Yes, they still should've went all out with Kaaya, but any coaching staff would be hard pressed to do that, because the first thing you want to accomplish with a young QB is comfort and confidence. His comfort was already taken away because there was no running game and he kept getting hit. If they opened it up for Kaaya and he goes out and throws 4 picks, then that's a confidence killer. It's a double edged sword.
Click to expand...

I hear what you are saying, but there's a difference between opening up the playbook and having him become a gun slinger. Let me ask, do you recall how many RB screens we threw? How about quick efficient West Coast passing of the 5-6 yrd variety? How about reverse naked bootlegs since they keyed in on Duke? Crossing patterns between Dorsett and Coley? You see, there are ways to open up the playbook while keeping it safe for the kid. We put him in the same predictable box as we put SteMo last yr in the bowl game. We didn't ask Kaaya to bomb it 50 yrds per play, but he could've been put in a position where he was able to move the chains. UL was being ultra aggressive and we did nothing to counter act that. Do you know why you can't be overly aggressive against FSU? B/c Jimbo will make the adjustment to torch that a$$. We, on the other hand, showed no creativity nor initative in our play calling and it burned us.
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I actually agree with all of this. Can't be refuted.
 
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Ayeplus said:
nycane said:
butch davis inherited a worse situation and was a very experienced count at miami and in nfl. golden is an al groh guy and miami would never have hired groh in past.
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You would want to believe Butch inherited a worse situation, but that is speculative.
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Butch had ACTUAL SCHOLARSHIP LIMITS and at the time not only was FSU on top, but UF was ALSO right there with the Noles. The man was a superbowl winning DC and a proven recruiter and developer who cut his teeth under a hall of fame coach. When Al Golden goes to the NFL and coaches a championship level defense, then I might trust him. But the best he's done is played the "well coach parcells said this" bc thats what Al Groh told them when they barely cracked the defensive top 20 ONCE in his life. ENOUGH.
 
GTFO

They remind you of this?

[video=youtube;KtMPMkF_VfU]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KtMPMkF_VfU[/video]
 
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