Thin line between success and failure

For the guys claiming it's a Folden season, the main difference I saw was that Rick managed to keep the team together and invested after 4 straight losses. Folden teams died down the stretch. This team played its best ball down the stretch.
I can agree with this. The most maddening part (well maybe) of Golden's tenure was the refusal to admit he was wrong and try something else. Then tell everyone how dumb they were for not seeing it the way he does.

Thats all gone. We talked many times about having faith that Richt could admit he was messing up and try and fix it and we saw that.

Im really interested to see how we prepare for the Bowl. Golden's teams were so outgunned in preparation it was pathetic. I feel better about our chances regardless the opponent.



Im actually on both sides of this debate.

The 4 game losing streak happened to come at the hands of the four best teams on our schedule. So that leads me to believe it was a golden-esque type year. That said, Ive seen too many positives throughout the season that lead me to believe that the future IS brighter. But again, 2016 will likely come to a close without UM beating a team that finishes the season ranked in the top 25. (golden's magic stat)

All of this said, it really does put pressure on our bowl game. Disappointment aside, rebuilding a program is primarily about momentum. Winning the last four games coupled with a bowl win should give our staff all the ammo they need to close the 2017 class strong.
Hard to rationally argue against either points being made. The season was a failure to me but not the helpless failures of the past. Watching our past teams it was hard to envision an end game. Our rosters were stacked at times and still historically bad. You just can't out-recruit horrible coaches.

I think Richt will prove himself as a recruiter but it's still hard to be overly optimistic.

obviously our first bowl victory in about 127 years would help as well
 
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BAD: We underestimated the rust on Rick's playcalling abilities and the possibility of Kaaya having stretches where it appeared he regressed (possibly with a sizeable % due to Rick's playcalling).

GOOD: The belief that it is just rust and not an entrenched mindset reflected by Rick's playcalling (as opposed to the beyond stubborn nature of previous staffs) and the realization that Kaaya's failures (assuming he returns) were just a stretch and not an outright regression.

BEST: Diaz seems to know what the **** he's doing and he did it with some severe limitations based on depth and/or inexperience.

So, as many have also described, it's possible to deem this season disappointing but not have diminished optimism if we look good in and actually win the bowl game. The margin Chise described can easily be erased if coaching and performance by the offense just reaches a level next year where many of us assumed it would be this year.
 
Why does everything have to be success or failure? So ******* dramatic? It's year one. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know, Richt has been a coach for 16 years, but it's year one at Miami without "his" players. Now, before you jump down my throat, like you ****ers will anyway, I'm ****ed about the 4 game losing streak. I know Richt and the team could and should have won those games, or at least most or 3 of them. I didn't expect them to win all, I always thought we were set up for failure in the VT game (5 days after UNC, coming after FSU and UNC, on the road on Thursday night, etc....whatever). I think Richt deserves some or even a lot of the blame for the offense in that streak. He was conservative, and he relied to heavily on the RPO and the run game.

Now, I will stress something that a lot of others refuse to admit. He's not entirely to blame. The OL looked G-d awful. Kaaya looked G-d awful. The WRs and TEs didn't always help when Kaaya made good throws or good plays were called. The blame goes all around. Was Richt covering up for Kaaya's sucking with some of the plays? Yes. Was Richt covering up for a ****** OL with some of the plays? Yes. Did Richt design some bad gameplans and call some puzzling plays? Yes. Did Richt make adjustments as the season wore on? Yes. That's why I don't understand why people won't give him any credit. Did it come against worse competition? Yes, but it doesn't matter. He did. Good coaches do. It worked. Do I think he's going to be an amazing OC? No freaking idea. Am I convinced he won't? No ******* way.

Do I think Mark Richt is Nick Saban? No. Do I think he's Al Golden? No. He won 9.7 games per year at UGA. Why won't he do that or more against a weaker schedule once...once he gets it rolling? Again, this isn't Golden or Shannon. This is someone who proved he can win consistently with his system at the highest level. This is someone who won 5, 7, 6, 6, 6, 4, 6, 6, 4, 3, 7, 7, 5, 6, 5 games each year in the SEC, not the ACC. We've won 6 games in the ACC once, in 2005 under Coker, when we still had players he recruited based off of our reputation being a national power. I don't know how could Richt will be, and din't know if it'll happen next year, but I am confident in 1-3 years we'll be winning 6-7 or 8 ACC games per year and 9-11 games per year, playing in the ACC title game game more often than not and winning it too. You can call me an apologist if I don't cry that it didn't happen this year (though it could/should have) and might not next year (our secondary, aside from 2 guys is like a girls JV team, and I still don't trust our OL). Yeah, it might sound like Golden defending, but it is different, and if you can't see it, you've been blinded by Golden-hatred. Excuses aren't just excuses. Sometimes they are valid. Could Richt have done more with what we had? Yes. Was he going 12-0 or 11-1 this year? Maybe, but to expect it was absurd and super fan dumbasshattery.

So, what the **** have I been saying? Everyone's season's a failure...Richt's a corch...Richt sucks, posts are dumb. Also, everyone who blindly defends him are dumb too.

I've said all along there's enough blame to go along. As much as you don't want to wait, you might have to wait. Every coach, at every school gets more than 6 games before people call him a failure. But, since Shannon and Golden, everyone thinks they know when a coach sucks from day one, and everyone thinks you need to give a coach half of a season before deeming him a failure. Guess what, that's ******* retarded.
 
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Considering this board was full of suicidal Debbie Downers in October crying about not being bowl eligible and banking on a 4-8 finish, some people should be a lot happier with 8-4.

Sadly, I think some would have been happier with 4-8 so they could say "I told you we'd lose out" and really pound the fck out of Rick unmerciful.
 
There were shades of Golden here, but I think a lot of that has to do with the Golden talent on the team. If this were Golden's team throughout, we are 4-8. We never recover from the FSU loss. While we took the FSU loss on the chin and it took time to recover, Richt should get some credit for getting the team back into not only a functional state, but essentially dominating the final four teams on the schedule. 4-0 against the spread was pretty impressive to me. Golden led teams were terrible ATS, especially late in the season.

A bowl WIN would be monstrous for the program under Richt and really give the team momentum going into 2017. If some of the juniors expected to bolt stay, things would be trending up for Miami.

As for the season, objectively, its a failure of a season. 8-4 should never be accepted as a success here, especially in the way the team got there.
 
There were shades of Golden here, but I think a lot of that has to do with the Golden talent on the team. If this were Golden's team throughout, we are 4-8. We never recover from the FSU loss. While we took the FSU loss on the chin and it took time to recover, Richt should get some credit for getting the team back into not only a functional state, but essentially dominating the final four teams on the schedule. 4-0 against the spread was pretty impressive to me. Golden led teams were terrible ATS, especially late in the season.

A bowl WIN would be monstrous for the program under Richt and really give the team momentum going into 2017. If some of the juniors expected to bolt stay, things would be trending up for Miami.

As for the season, objectively, its a failure of a season. 8-4 should never be accepted as a success here, especially in the way the team got there.

It's not a success, but it can be something other than a failure too. There is a middle ground. Not everything is such an extreme, or so black and white. Win the bowl, over an SEC team, and while not a great season, we'd win 9 games, which we rarely do around here, and use it to springboard to next year. We haven't won a ******* bowl since 2006. We haven't won a real bowl since 2004 against Florida. And while this won't be the Orange Bowl, it's still a decent bowl against probably an SEC team. If we can win at least 10 games next year and make the ACCT game, I'll be (while not thrilled), happy with the progress. Especially if Richt can show he can start to beat out UF and FSU from some of the best and better recruits in South Florida.
 
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There were shades of Golden here, but I think a lot of that has to do with the Golden talent on the team. If this were Golden's team throughout, we are 4-8. We never recover from the FSU loss. While we took the FSU loss on the chin and it took time to recover, Richt should get some credit for getting the team back into not only a functional state, but essentially dominating the final four teams on the schedule. 4-0 against the spread was pretty impressive to me. Golden led teams were terrible ATS, especially late in the season.

A bowl WIN would be monstrous for the program under Richt and really give the team momentum going into 2017. If some of the juniors expected to bolt stay, things would be trending up for Miami.

As for the season, objectively, its a failure of a season. 8-4 should never be accepted as a success here, especially in the way the team got there.

It's not a success, but it can be something other than a failure too. There is a middle ground. Not everything is such an extreme, or so black and white. Win the bowl, over an SEC team, and while not a great season, we'd win 9 games, which we rarely do around here, and use it to springboard to next year. We haven't won a ****ing bowl since 2006. We haven't won a real bowl since 2004 against Florida. And while this won't be the Orange Bowl, it's still a decent bowl against probably an SEC team. If we can win at least 10 games next year and make the ACCT game, I'll be (while not thrilled), happy with the progress. Especially if Richt can show he can start to beat out UF and FSU from some of the best and better recruits in South Florida.

I think the middle ground was somewhere before losing four straight. That is a pretty large pill to swallow.
 
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There were shades of Golden here, but I think a lot of that has to do with the Golden talent on the team. If this were Golden's team throughout, we are 4-8. We never recover from the FSU loss. While we took the FSU loss on the chin and it took time to recover, Richt should get some credit for getting the team back into not only a functional state, but essentially dominating the final four teams on the schedule. 4-0 against the spread was pretty impressive to me. Golden led teams were terrible ATS, especially late in the season.

A bowl WIN would be monstrous for the program under Richt and really give the team momentum going into 2017. If some of the juniors expected to bolt stay, things would be trending up for Miami.

As for the season, objectively, its a failure of a season. 8-4 should never be accepted as a success here, especially in the way the team got there.

It's not a success, but it can be something other than a failure too. There is a middle ground. Not everything is such an extreme, or so black and white. Win the bowl, over an SEC team, and while not a great season, we'd win 9 games, which we rarely do around here, and use it to springboard to next year. We haven't won a ****ing bowl since 2006. We haven't won a real bowl since 2004 against Florida. And while this won't be the Orange Bowl, it's still a decent bowl against probably an SEC team. If we can win at least 10 games next year and make the ACCT game, I'll be (while not thrilled), happy with the progress. Especially if Richt can show he can start to beat out UF and FSU from some of the best and better recruits in South Florida.

I think the middle ground was somewhere before losing four straight. That is a pretty large pill to swallow.

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I'm leery of viewing knocking over those four tomato cans to end the season as being really indicative of anything other than beating the teams you're supposed to beat after losing four games against teams to varying degrees that you should have beaten. "Al Golden's teams would have quit!" and Al Golden would have definitely lost the four games previous so I'm not sure that is any sort of ringing endorsement.

One thing that is confusing to me is that we're crediting Richt for scrapping the RPO after "only" four games when he discovered Kaaya has the all the mobility and agility of a telephone pole. Shouldn't that have been apparent watching tape from past seasons? Shouldn't that have been evident when he saw him with his own eyes in the spring? So he either had no idea Kaaya possessed zero mobility and the OL was trash, or was aware and decided to implement a system that didn't suit any of the players running it anyway.


Scrapping the RPO had little to do with Kaaya mobility or lack there of; and more to do with Kaaya's inability to read a **** defense in the way needed to run the RPO successfully.

To many times he would throw when he should've handed off and handed off when he should have thrown.

That combined with the change in how Kaaya made his reads/progressions was a huge mistake by Richt , IMO.

But we have to take into context that, what is seen in practice doesn't always translate to gameday.

I think the coaching staff took so long to adjust because the players were showing the ability in practice but sucked when the lights came on.

When you look at the film and you see : A missed block here, drop there, penalty here. They seem like things you can correct. You don't immediately scrap what you've worked on all summer because of a few blunders.

It took a while but it became evident to Richt and co. that the Greentree all stars aren't always game day allstars.

It's easier to make plays against teammates that you play against every day and know all of their weaknesses and tendencies.

I understand that you have to call a spade a spade; but some of our smarter football guys have blown things so out of proportion with knee jerk reactions that you have a bunch of half-wits all over the place asking for Richt to hire an OC and scrap the offense like a bunch of dimwits.

Saying stupid crap like "the offense is outdated" when it's a new offense(rpo) that screwed us in the first **** place.
 
And for the love of god. STOP comparing Offense and defense.

It's much easier to get a defense rolling and adapted to a scheme than it is an offense. You can dumb down a defense and still have a successful unit.

You dumb down an offense and you're screwed.

You seriously can't compare Richt and Diaz circumstances.
 
There were shades of Golden here, but I think a lot of that has to do with the Golden talent on the team. If this were Golden's team throughout, we are 4-8. We never recover from the FSU loss. While we took the FSU loss on the chin and it took time to recover, Richt should get some credit for getting the team back into not only a functional state, but essentially dominating the final four teams on the schedule. 4-0 against the spread was pretty impressive to me. Golden led teams were terrible ATS, especially late in the season.

A bowl WIN would be monstrous for the program under Richt and really give the team momentum going into 2017. If some of the juniors expected to bolt stay, things would be trending up for Miami.

As for the season, objectively, its a failure of a season. 8-4 should never be accepted as a success here, especially in the way the team got there.

It's not a success, but it can be something other than a failure too. There is a middle ground. Not everything is such an extreme, or so black and white. Win the bowl, over an SEC team, and while not a great season, we'd win 9 games, which we rarely do around here, and use it to springboard to next year. We haven't won a ****ing bowl since 2006. We haven't won a real bowl since 2004 against Florida. And while this won't be the Orange Bowl, it's still a decent bowl against probably an SEC team. If we can win at least 10 games next year and make the ACCT game, I'll be (while not thrilled), happy with the progress. Especially if Richt can show he can start to beat out UF and FSU from some of the best and better recruits in South Florida.

I think the middle ground was somewhere before losing four straight. That is a pretty large pill to swallow.

In year one. And he made adjustments. And the season didn't completely tank. And he didn't lose the players, and they didn't quit. This isn't the same team as the last 10 years. The record might be similar, but the culture is changing. I'm willing to wait a couple of years. If we're still 8-4, then I'll fire his *** myself.
 
The difference between 8 wins in 2015 and 8 (or more) wins in 2016

Scoring margin 2105: Miami 27.8 Opponents 28.2 2016: Miami 34.6 Opponents 18.9

Total offense 2015: Miami 397.0 Opponents 404.8 2016: Miami 431.2 Opponents 355.1

Rushing YPG 2015 Miami 119.9 Opponents 201.0 2016: Miami 157.6 Opponents 134.6

Passing YPG 2015 Miami 277.1 Opponents 204.8 2016: Miami 273.5 Opponents 220.4

Turnover differential 2015: Miami +11 2016: Miami +8

Improvements across the board besides turnover differential. Going by numbers, Miami was a very lucky 8 win team last year, a very unlucky 8 win team this year.

By scoring margin we improved by about 16 ppg. Interesting.
 
There were shades of Golden here, but I think a lot of that has to do with the Golden talent on the team. If this were Golden's team throughout, we are 4-8. We never recover from the FSU loss. While we took the FSU loss on the chin and it took time to recover, Richt should get some credit for getting the team back into not only a functional state, but essentially dominating the final four teams on the schedule. 4-0 against the spread was pretty impressive to me. Golden led teams were terrible ATS, especially late in the season.

A bowl WIN would be monstrous for the program under Richt and really give the team momentum going into 2017. If some of the juniors expected to bolt stay, things would be trending up for Miami.

As for the season, objectively, its a failure of a season. 8-4 should never be accepted as a success here, especially in the way the team got there.

It's not a success, but it can be something other than a failure too. There is a middle ground. Not everything is such an extreme, or so black and white. Win the bowl, over an SEC team, and while not a great season, we'd win 9 games, which we rarely do around here, and use it to springboard to next year. We haven't won a ******* bowl since 2006. We haven't won a real bowl since 2004 against Florida. And while this won't be the Orange Bowl, it's still a decent bowl against probably an SEC team. If we can win at least 10 games next year and make the ACCT game, I'll be (while not thrilled), happy with the progress. Especially if Richt can show he can start to beat out UF and FSU from some of the best and better recruits in South Florida.
And what gives you the slightest indication he'll start doing that? The dramatic first year "bump" has been mostly a pot hole. Don't hold your breath bub.
 
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Speaking of thin line, what's the consensus on McDermott at LT? I thought that aside from a couple plays against NC State he appeared to hold his own.
 
OP is spot on

This season came down to a blocked XP, a bogus TD, and a failed fumble recovery.

Granted, I know it isn't THAT simple, but essentially we are (give or take) two offensive scores from being a 9-10 win team and in the ACCCG.

If you can't see the positive in that, there's no hope for you.
 
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