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While it would cut down on opt outs and the current irrelevancy of non playoff bowl games, the flip side is this.

2007 LSU- 2 loss mediocre team wins the NC because they got hot for two games despite losing two games to mediocre teams.

With a 20 game playoff, we could have a 4 loss overrated SEC/Big10 team get hot in December/January and win the NC over an undefeated team that had one bad game.

The regular season should count.
 
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DMoney said:
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They're trying to squeeze more games out of players without having to pay them more. This is the kinda **** that leads to lockouts in professional leagues. No wonder there's been talk about legislation that would prevent student athletes from unionizing.
 
SCarolina Ibis said:
They're trying to squeeze more games out of players without having to pay them more. This is the kinda **** that leads to lockouts in professional leagues. No wonder there's been talk about legislation that would prevent student athletes from unionizing.
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Kinda getting harder to see how the teams even remain attached to the schools long term isn't it?

 
Here's a really dumb bad idea...

How about ESPN & the AP just vote on who they think should be the preseason National Champion. Whoever gets the most votes is crowned the Champ throughout the season.

They don't play any games except the very last one. They get to spend the entire season just practicing & preparing to play whichever team ends up as the #1 contender.

The regular season goes on with every other team playing & competing to be the #1 contender, then whoever wins the playoffs gets to play the preseason Champion for the End-season National Championship.

If the Preseason Champion ends up winning the game & stays the National Champion, they retain the title & play a full schedule regular season the following year as the reigning Champion. The AP & ESPN will vote on who they think should be the #1 contender for the reigning Champion to have a chance to defend their title. If they win; they go back to the 1-game season format & wait for a contender.

If they lose, then whoever beat them gets the 1-game season to defend their title against a new #1 contender & the whole process starts all over again.

24-28 team playoff would completely destroy CFB. Playoff expansion has really been the source of what's killing this game, way more so than NIL & transfer portal.

They completely overdid it with 12 teams, 4 was absolutely perfect. There was no reason to move beyond 4. There's literally only one case in which any team ever had an argument that they got screwed by the committee during the 4-team voting & that was 2018 Oh ST the year Notre Dame got in & shellacked by Clemson.

Expanding the playoffs has been an over correction of the BCS era & is causing CFB to turn into the giant blob of garbage chasing after multi-billion dollar TV contracts that will ultimately be pawned off through streaming.

This why there's this huge push for Super Conferences; they're vulcanizing the game by trying to compact all of college football into one melding conference & essentially turning the entire season into a playoff tournament.
 
Memnon said:
Here's a really dumb bad idea...

How about ESPN & the AP just vote on who they think should be the preseason National Champion. Whoever gets the most votes is crowned the Champ throughout the season.

They don't play any games except the very last one. They get to spend the entire season just practicing & preparing to play whichever team ends up as the #1 contender.

The regular season goes on with every other team playing & competing to be the #1 contender, then whoever wins the playoffs gets to play the preseason Champion for the End-season National Championship.

If the Preseason Champion ends up winning the game & stays the National Champion, they retain the title & play a full schedule regular season the following year as the reigning Champion. The AP & ESPN will vote on who they think should be the #1 contender for the reigning Champion to have a chance to defend their title. If they win; they go back to the 1-game season format & wait for a contender.

If they lose, then whoever beat them gets the 1-game season to defend their title against a new #1 contender & the whole process starts all over again.

24-28 team playoff would completely destroy CFB. Playoff expansion has really been the source of what's killing this game, way more so than NIL & transfer portal.

They completely overdid it with 12 teams, 4 was absolutely perfect. There was no reason to move beyond 4. There's literally only one case in which any team ever had an argument that they got screwed by the committee during the 4-team voting & that was 2018 Oh ST the year Notre Dame got in & shellacked by Clemson.

Expanding the playoffs has been an over correction of the BCS era & is causing CFB to turn into the giant blob of garbage chasing after multi-billion dollar TV contracts that will ultimately be pawned off through streaming.

This why there's this huge push for Super Conferences; they're vulcanizing the game by trying to compact all of college football into one melding conference & essentially turning the entire season into a playoff tournament.
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It felt like thats how it used to be with their biases.
 
The problem with cfb is the conference model. Conference leadership are looking to protect the interest of all the teams in their conferences instead of what is healthy for cfb.

All conferences need to be blown up and all teams we need to go with a relegation model. Have the top 40 teams in the top league - and if you don't perform (consistently in the bottom) - you get relegated down while the champion(s) of the next lower tiered league get bumped up.

Right now the Purdues/NWs/Vandy's/Dukes/WFs of the world are protected by being grandfathered in to the top conferences. I'd like to see a world where the teams that don't compete get relegated down and the teams that want to compete are given a fair opportunity.

Pull the d*mn band-aid and make one big league - along with that let the players unionize and make cap rules so that we can have visibility to free agency instead of this BS NIL world where everyone speculates on numbers.
 
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They won’t stop until they are getting more than half their conference in the playoff. Pandora’s box was opened when we went from 4 to 12…it’ll be at 32 before you know it.
 
JHallCanes said:
I’m genuinely answering you you fragile little snowflakez
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Ahh, the irony of this profound and insightful response. This is Canes Insight after all. I won't further provoke those internet tough-guy muscles of yours; I actually enjoy most of your posts. You win, genuine question retracted. For consistency though, do you and others with your line of thinking advocate for a 32-team (or less) March Madness tournament? And since the "magic number" for participants in a single-elimination CFB playoff format is so obvious to the clairvoyant, how can the algorithm be generalized across sports, so the simple minded like me can avoid asking foolish questions?
 
SCarolina Ibis said:
They're trying to squeeze more games out of players without having to pay them more. This is the kinda **** that leads to lockouts in professional leagues. No wonder there's been talk about legislation that would prevent student athletes from unionizing.
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Not sure how that legislation would stand up in court unless college football gets an anti-trust exemption and even then, it hasn't kept baseball from having its players unionize. I can't see how they can argue that student athletes are not employees either. They officially participate in revenue sharing now.

Whatever happens, I hope they figure out a way to get the players to play a full season - including bowl games. Either include it in NIL contracts, part of the revenue sharing, or collective bargaining (if they unionize). I understood when players weren't getting paid before, but they're getting paid now. Play the "whole" season.

IMO, college football has kinda sucked over the past 5-10 years. Nobody plays in bowl games, the regular season has been watered down - you know you can lose 1 game and you will still make the playoffs, and wins matter more in some conferences while losses matter more in others.
 
BilltheCane said:
Ahh, the irony of this profound and insightful response. This is Canes Insight after all. I won't further provoke those internet tough-guy muscles of yours; I actually enjoy most of your posts. You win, genuine question retracted. For consistency though, do you and others with your line of thinking advocate for a 32-team (or less) March Madness tournament? And since the "magic number" for participants in a single-elimination CFB playoff format is so obvious to the clairvoyant, how can the algorithm be generalized across sports, so the simple minded like me can avoid asking foolish questions?
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I actually had more of an issue with the second part of what you said re: it being better for Miami last year if it was 20+ teams

Hence my ****head response about a participation trophy

I don’t get excited about making a playoff by adding more teams which is what your post was asking

If other people do then that’s fine. This is a message board afterall

As far as March Madness football and basketball are completely different sports physically so it’s not really worth discussing that part
 
Empirical Cane said:
We were discussing this over in Conference MEGA thread already...

The B1G folks think this is "brilliant" because it provides (to them) a much needed conference expansion relief off ramp. Their "empire" is arguably in the weakest position (too many members no one cares about and institutions who will never care either) long term from a strategic standpoint--especially national footprint and demographic trend patterns. The SEC, ACC, and to a degree Big 12 (the PAC-whatever is a basket case) occupy that high ground for the forseeable future. Say what you will about SEC bottom feeders (perhaps save Vandy), but those fanbases and institutions will bankrupt and die trying to become relevant. Obvioulsy ACC and Big 12 are hybrids og B1G and SEC in terms of commitment...and that probably shakes out if still travelling conference expansion road. That's why its strategically inconceivable (never underestimate muppets however) B1G would pass on Miami if conference expansion continues, but for no other reason than SEC containment/encirclement.


BUT...if they [B1G] can get "everyone" to go along with SuperTournament To The Rescue! concept...that goes a long way in giving lifelines to ACC and maneuver space + time to Big 12 (Yormark has a big reputation afterall). B1G would basically be outsourcing conference expansion without having to bring in new members and pay that bill/dilution (nothing is for free long term)...thereby not having to face tough decisions of jettisoning their weak herd members in 2030s or during a SuperConference merger.

At face value, why wouldn't ACC and Big 12 be all-in on this? Buys time and space...

Also, don't even get started how useless and meaningless the bowl games are...not even scrimmage value at this point it seems...so from a roster standpoint (and perhaps unseen hand of NFL), showcases talent just a touch extra...I get thats a stretch..but still...

Careful what you ask for B1G, you just might get it.
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An excellent summary.
 
I remember a time when people said going from 10 to l1 games put too much hurt on young bodies. After that no one be cared. 12 games, conference championships, more bowls, playoff berths. Some teams are now playing 14 plus games.
Always follow the money, in particular the TV money. That's all you need to know.
 
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Applecane said:
I remember a time when people said going from 10 to l1 games put too much hurt on young bodies. After that no one be cared. 12 games, conference championships, more bowls, playoff berths. Some teams are now playing 14 plus games.
Always follow the money, in particular the TV money. That's all you need to know.
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Like I said earlier it’s about sports betting (and tv of course) so let’s just call it what it is and go from there

The mental gymnastics of trying to spin it is wild

The NFL already treats the players like disposable assets so we get the NCAA would as well
 
They aren’t expanding to 20. This is just over-asking so they can “come down” to 16.

You can complain about the expanded playoff all you want, but the only problem with the current one is the seeding and they’re fixing that.

The bubble team debates are awesome. Home playoff games are awesome. Teams like ASU taking Texas to the wire (and honestly getting screwed by officiating late in the game) is awesome.

The transfer portal and the playoff era have made college football immensely more dynamic and enjoyable, but keep pining for the days where the Reliaquest Bowl mattered and you sat at home watching the same 4 teams compete for a National Championship.

The 12 team playoff worked. The best team won the National Championship and there was a helluva lot more drama and chaos for the rest of us.

I think 12 is perfect with reseeding, and don’t WANT an expansion beyond that. But the 4 team playoff was nowhere near as electric as the 12 team.
 
Why is the college basketball philosophy so hard to grasp… no one actually thinks the 16 seeds will win or that they are in the top 64 teams. Yet the tourney is awesome and racks in big bucks.
 
DubCaliCane said:
They aren’t expanding to 20. This is just over-asking so they can “come down” to 16.

You can complain about the expanded playoff all you want, but the only problem with the current one is the seeding and they’re fixing that.

The bubble team debates are awesome. Home playoff games are awesome. Teams like ASU taking Texas to the wire (and honestly getting screwed by officiating late in the game) is awesome.

The transfer portal and the playoff era have made college football immensely more dynamic and enjoyable, but keep pining for the days where the Reliaquest Bowl mattered and you sat at home watching the same 4 teams compete for a National Championship.

The 12 team playoff worked. The best team won the National Championship and there was a helluva lot more drama and chaos for the rest of us.

I think 12 is perfect with reseeding, and don’t WANT an expansion beyond that. But the 4 team playoff was nowhere near as electric as the 12 team.
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#4 seed wild card NY Football Giants have entered the chat.

I know an aberration, but people will cling.
 
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