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The TD that wasn't

SFbayCane said:
Im on the other side of that opinion. #7 needs to fight harder to work back to the ball in order to get the call at that stage of the game. His arm got locked up and he quit on the attempt. He needs to fight harder and act more demonstratively. #7 was far too timid in this game.
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Yep. Bad game for him. That pass in the endzone actually should have been a TD. Perfect back shoulder throw by mensah and upshaw did a terrible job of adjusting to the ball.
 
90scane said:
Per the rules, he has to make a football move: fend off a defender, tuck the ball, pitch the ball or be able to. He did none of those. All he has to do was tuck it and if 28 ripped it out after the tuck it doesn’t matter.


Kept control long enough to perform an act common to the game, such as tucking it, turning upfield, or warding off a defender (Rule 2-4-3-a).
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Not a rule at all. No such thing as football move when stepping out of bounds
 
merce said:
new rule: after player catches TD pass, a defender can then knock the ball out of his hands and it will be incomple.
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you must complete the act of the touchdown and maintain possesion, this includes being out of bounds, celebrations, dancing with teammates...

and continued possession until YOU ARE SITTING YOUR *** ON THE BENCH AND THE FKN TEAM IS OUT THERE FOR KICKOFF.....
 
90scane said:
Per the rules, he has to make a football move: fend off a defender, tuck the ball, pitch the ball or be able to. He did none of those. All he has to do was tuck it and if 28 ripped it out after the tuck it doesn’t matter.


Kept control long enough to perform an act common to the game, such as tucking it, turning upfield, or warding off a defender (Rule 2-4-3-a).
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Toe tapping then stepping out and trying to tuck the ball after going out isn't a football move in college where 1 foot is all you need for posession?
 
Tony4Canes said:
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These are probably the two closest scenarios in the rule book to Lofton's catch tonight. I thought it was a catch, because I thought Lofton had control of the ball when his third foot touched out of bounds, which to me, a simpleton, means the play must be dead at that point (if it wasn't dead already when he got two feet down in bounds with control). Oh well, we got pretty hosed on those two plays at the goal line. It sucks, but onwards and upwards. Beat Duke!

Edit: Zoomed in on this angle is the best argument that it was incomplete, as you could argue Lofton lost control of the ball just before the ND player swiped at it. The problem is that this is also just after he stepped out of bounds with his third step (I think?!?, it's really, really close and hard to till in that clip cause it's cropped) so was the play still live at that point?

 
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If your argument is that we shouldn’t have been in the position for a ****** ref call to decide the game then ok.

If your argument is that the Lofton catch wasn’t a TD then you are just wrong. I don’t care who you are, I don’t care of you’re a protected poRster, you’re just wrong.

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It was a touchdown, but honestly we didn’t deserve to win that game - valiant effort, but we need to build on the second half and win out. Excited to see what happens next week!
 
SFbayCane said:
Im on the other side of that opinion. #7 needs to fight harder to work back to the ball in order to get the call at that stage of the game. His arm got locked up and he quit on the attempt. He needs to fight harder and act more demonstratively. #7 was far too timid in this game.
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Arm(s)
 
Everyone has an opinion on the Lofton catch/no-catch. What I find so profound is the conviction that people have about the play when it is completely subjective.

What is a catch? They say it is catching the ball and making a football move. Well, what is that? Looking at from a perspective as if the play occurred in the middle of the field that several podcasters suggest is incorrect.

I think I have a better way to determine the answer.

Let's say a player caught the ball on the sideline and got 1 foot in bounds per the college rule, and his momentum caused him to take several steps before he stopped and went back to the huddle. That's a very common play that occurs many times during the game. Now, the same play happens with the catch in bounds and multiple strides out of bounds, but this time, the defender knocks the ball out of the receivers hand. The receiver got 1 foot down and caught the ball. So, how many steps does he have to take before the defender knocks the ball out of the receivers hands becomes irrelevant? That's the question.

In the case of Lofton, he caught the ball, got 1 foot in the endzone, then a 2nd foot down in the endzone, then took another step, and then the ball was knocked out. That's one foot in bounds per the rule and 2 steps after before the ball was knocked out.

So, what is the answer? How many steps do you have to take after catching the ball before it's actually considered a catch? That's the only question that needs to be answered because everything else is subjective.
 
90scane said:
Per the rules, he has to make a football move: fend off a defender, tuck the ball, pitch the ball or be able to. He did none of those. All he has to do was tuck it and if 28 ripped it out after the tuck it doesn’t matter.


Kept control long enough to perform an act common to the game, such as tucking it, turning upfield, or warding off a defender (Rule 2-4-3-a).
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How about stepping out of bounds? That's a football move! But not in South Bend of course.
 
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