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Bratton 1 star.....
You can't compare the exposure these kids get today to 10 years ago
 
PUNCICANE said:
jump1cane said:
PUNCICANE said:
So you guys would prefer we sign more 2 & 3 star players then 4 & 5?
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As long as we win, who cares.
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Saban wins and he does it with Amari Cooper, Trent, Julio Jones
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And???? He signs plenty of 3 star kids too. What matters is you sign talented, relatively intelligent kids that work hard and fit what you are trying to do. They can be 5 star kids or they can be 2 star kids. There are plenty of both that fit the traits you need in a player to win. You just have to sign THOSE kids whether somebody put 5 stars beside their names or not.
 
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I remember some guy at Smartfootball wrote a great article about the ratings on recruits and he said it was just meaningless.
 
I don't get it on this site people are like, guys don't be star whores, and then two days later they're like...OMG give them a break they can't win with 2-3 star talent..smh
 
PUNCICANE said:
So you guys would prefer we sign more 2 & 3 star players then 4 & 5?
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No one is saying to get less than talented recruits. It just high school start rating often comes from people who never played or coached the sport. It is unreliable. You have to have an eye of talent as a coaching staff irrespective of stars.
But again, recruiting is only one of the of pillars of success. It is a central pillar but if you don't have the other pillars necessary then your building will collapse.
In the last 10 years we had many more 4 and 5 star recruits, I am guessing, more than 80% of D1 programs with no results to show for. Compare that to Boise State, Utah and UTC records.
 
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Do stars matter? Yes

Are there outliers? Yes

Do some kids skip out on camps & not get rated properly? Yes
 
PUNCICANE said:
Say stars don't matter? 49ers secondary consists of the No. 1 JUCO safety, No. 3 CB recruit 2000, & # 3 & 4 CB recruits from 2003
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their secondary is the worst part of their team! haha

the truth is somewhere in the middle. obviously alabama is doing better than middle tenn state.

the truth is you really have no idea who is going to be elite. so take the best you can, coach the best you can.

keep in mind kyle wright was a 5*....santana moss was a walk on. no one could have seen the outcome of that.

for all we know Kamalu may be the best player in this class....who knows???
 
PUNCICANE said:
So you guys would prefer we sign more 2 & 3 star players then 4 & 5?
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I want us to sign the kids that OUR staff wants. Ya know when you sign an Ed Reed, you aren't seeing a "2 star guy". You're looking at a guy you think is maybe a 4 or 5 star to YOU. It's the coaching staff's evaluation that counts, not some mystical star count from recruiting services.
 
The relationship between stars and eventual production is corollary and not causal for a number of reasons (imperfect evaluations, continued physical maturation, coaching, etc...). Assuming (big assumption) that coaches evaluate talent in a similar fashion, stars merely predict probability of success. It's a lot like investing, you merely try and find the highest expected value based on predicted performance and go from there. So yes, stars are a reasonable indicator of potential success, but like so many things in life, a lot changes from senior year of high school to 6-10 years down the road.

In other words, you are more likely to find more high star recruits per capita in the nfl, but there of course going to be a fair number of under the radar prospects, just because there are so many more of them out there. It's not a very difficult concept, and someone has put it much better than I on this board in the past, but pulling random statistics on either side does not accurately describe the reality.
 
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PUNCICANE said:
Say stars don't matter? 49ers secondary consists of the No. 1 JUCO safety, No. 3 CB recruit 2000, & # 3 & 4 CB recruits from 2003
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Ryan Moore, Kyle Wright, Marcus Forston, Lance Leggett, Tyler McMeans, Willie Williams, Reggie Youngblood, and Graig Cooper were 5* recruits, just for our Canes. How are their NFL careers doing?

Star rankings are fuggin irrelevant and this is a stupid fuggin thread.
 
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Thread Killa said:
PUNCICANE said:
Say stars don't matter? 49ers secondary consists of the No. 1 JUCO safety, No. 3 CB recruit 2000, & # 3 & 4 CB recruits from 2003
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Ryan Moore, Kyle Wright, Marcus Forston, Lance Leggett, Tyler McMeans, Willie Williams, Reggie Youngblood, and Graig Cooper were 5* recruits, just for our Canes. How are their NFL careers doing?

Star rankings are fuggin irrelevant and this is a stupid fuggin thread.
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Shannon displayed that he was incapable of developing any talent what so ever. Sam Shields, Collin Mccarthy, Calais Campbell....all much better pros then they were here
 
Whomever put a 1* rating on this thread, well done.

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