The problem with coaching

[nycane]

Why are we comparing Manny last year to Mario in the short term? If Manny stays we finish with a recruiting class in the 60’s making the rebuild harder for the next guy. In the short term we likely are better this year with manny but the core is still rotten. The same issues are still there it’s just a year worse.

Manny lead a toxic culture. also he hated to recruit. he had issues at PSU early on because he didnt like to recruit hard.

 

[Miami[]_[]Smoke]

Because it was a country club, and the "way more" you're talking about was 7-5. Those quitters had no interest in playing for a coach who has actual expectations.

Except last year we played bama and an 11 win sparty team non conference, instead of a 5 win aggies team and mtsu. Also didn’t lose to duke and fsu by 42.

 

[Bipolarcane]

I completely agree with what you guys have replied with.

But there is absolutely no excuse for this seasons results.. none..

Manny did better with way less.. he also had no business being the coach.. that is also facts,. But Mario managed to have maybe the worse season in Miami history.. with a much better roster, coaches and resources..

that’s just my opinion.

I agree with 10000 percent. The Mario stans don’t want to hear the truth. If Mario is such a great coach and leader you get all these bums to buy into your vision and play hard. We got blown out by teams manny beat last year or played close games to. Manny sucked but Mario is worse.

 

[Bipolarcane]

Except last year we played bama and an 11 win sparty team non conference, instead of a 5 win aggies team and mtsu. Also didn’t lose to duke and fsu by 42.

You speaking too many facts man. The Mario bros all his nuts are gonna be on your case.

 

[BoxingRobes]

In the world of college football, 5-7, 6-6, and 7-5 all sleep in the same bed.

The years of trying to patch up the roster with transfers that made up for the horrendous recruiting caught up to the University of Miami. There was no next-man-up in many key spots where we lost a lot of production and what little we did get on both sides of the ball was still mostly transfers.

Leading rusher, a transfer. 48% of our rushing total came from transfers.
WR1, a 2-star JUCO transfer. WR3, a transfer. 30% of our receiving total came from transfers.
A transfer led the team in sacks and TFL (many consider him the best player on the team)
Transfers had 46% of our sacks. 30% of our team tackles.
A transfer led our team in passes defended.
We had 4 transfers or former transfers playing on the offensive line.

Couple the injury to the starting QB.

People might want to write some fan fiction that says we would be a better team under X, Y, and Z circumstance, but thats just nonsense to help people cope and try and lay blame on a bad season.

Heads will roll...justifiably. But this was team was never going to be good...unfortunately, thats a hindsight take for most.

 

[407cane]

Jimmy’s and joe’s > X’s and O’s

Anyone who expected quicker than a 3 year rebuild when we hired a recruiter HC did it to themselves… myself included

 

[millertime26]

Why are we comparing Manny last year to Mario in the short term? If Manny stays we finish with a recruiting class in the 60’s making the rebuild harder for the next guy. In the short term we likely are better this year with manny but the core is still rotten. The same issues are still there it’s just a year worse.

Preach !!!! Our fans are so dumb they just don’t get it.

 

[WestGA'Cane]

Why are we comparing Manny last year to Mario in the short term? If Manny stays we finish with a recruiting class in the 60’s making the rebuild harder for the next guy. In the short term we likely are better this year with manny but the core is still rotten. The same issues are still there it’s just a year worse.

Comparisons are being made because this was the worst Miami team in nearly F-I-F-T-Y years. You're right - forget Manny. Let's focus on what Cristobal did in '22. Recruiting was successful. The assembling of the so-called All-Star staff AND the season - an abject failure.

 

[Cribby]

Comparisons are being made because this was the worst Miami team in nearly F-I-F-T-Y years. You're right - forget Manny. Let's focus on what Cristobal did in '22. Recruiting was successful. The assembling of the so-called All-Star staff AND the season - an abject failure.

We’ve been focusing on it for three months. Now let’s see if it’s fixed or should we just continue to ***** to nauseam? Never mimd that’s a rhetorical question.

 

[WestGA'Cane]

We’ve been focusing on it for three months. Now let’s see if it’s fixed or should we just continue to ***** to nauseam? Never mimd that’s a rhetorical question.

I dunno bro., this was shockingly bad. And talk of that that should just be tabled? The season is a week-to-week process and there was intermittent progress/hope. But now that it's over, taken in TOTALITY - blown out AT HOME by MTSU, Duke, FSU, Pitt - some over EARLY. Hammered at Clemson, over before it started. WTH? We OFTEN failed to even be competitive. Restrepo apologized to the city for the season. And you wonder why people are comparing Mario to Manny? What they're really doing is trying to come to grips with the utter sh**show we witnessed this season. You may be ready to move on to 'winning' the offseason. Wish I was. Fat Manny did a ****-poor job this season. Didn't see that coming. Taking on a rebuild doesn't excuse these results.

 

[jjpuppet]

I agree with 10000 percent. The Mario stans don’t want to hear the truth. If Mario is such a great coach and leader you get all these bums to buy into your vision and play hard. We got blown out by teams manny beat last year or played close games to. Manny sucked but Mario is worse.Because

 

[jjpuppet]

Because theres no talent , Go to the recruiting to see how bad Manny recruited . He was garbage who only got his job because of daddy. Manny ceiling was 7 wins

 

[Ryanmilli]

Framing this as last year Manny versus this year Mario is a myopic vantage point. This is an organization that has been bankrupt for over a decade. It was hiding the bills in the desk drawer and pretending they didn’t exist. Mario is paying the bills so we can get back to being a healthy organization again.

There are 16-17 years worth of bills to pay here. Getting this fixed the right way is not easy work. Mario hasn’t done everything perfectly - there is an obvious issue with chemistry on the offensive staff. However, he’s the closest thing to Butch Davis we’ve had since Butch Davis. He does good evals and can stack talent from across the country that wants to work hard.

This roster is woefully deficient. Watch some other games. Watch some old Canes film. This group is slow, unathletic, and soft. They are Canes in name only. Mario will fix that and will do it in relatively quick order in the context of how long it has been festering.

Winning a couple more games this year would’ve been nice, but meaningless in the long run. What has been laid bare here is primarily not Mario’s deficiencies, but nearly 2 decades of systemic dysfunction. I think there is reasonable debate as to whether Mario is the coach who can get another national championship at the U. But there’s no doubt in my mind he’s the right man for the job at hand at this time. IMO we should support him while he does that but maybe it’s more fun trying to be the first one off the bandwagon.

 

[WaterburyCane]

I mean man…there’s literal proof that Jarren Williams went awol the week of FIU, showed up to the game higher than Cheech and Chong and eyes as red as the devil’s d!ck…and what did the captains/Manny do? They let him START.

If that doesn’t tell you how f’d the team was under Manny, I don’t know if you (not you Bender, just in general to other posters) should be on this board talking football because you don’t understand how important culture is in a locker room/team setting. Of course the guys are going to quit when Mario takes their fun away and makes them accountable for their actions and poor play. Some quit literally on the field, and some quit during practice/after games.

Now with that being said, it’s not only on the players. I know this is a shock, but coaches and players can both be the problem to form one gigantic ****show. Mario needs to fix both and essentially in one off-season.

If we are just talking about roster talent level in a vacuum, we are closer to Duke than we are to Clemson. That’s just a hard sober truth. Better than Duke on paper, yes. Should we have beat them, yes. Was it some enormous upset that I was shocked about….honestly no.

 

[WaterburyCane]

I swear some of you actually believe in your heart that Manny is a better coach than Mario. I’m not even a big Mario fan, but let’s not go down that road of comparing last year to this year and drawing that conclusion.

We can still get the pitchforks out for Mario without making that silly case.

 

[dirtyred786]

How do you explain Manny, with much less talent and not as accomplished assistants and resources.. getting way more out of his players?

Manny’s teams didn’t look like this.. they were bad.. but his teams fought hard for him..

There is absolutely no excuse for the L’s we took to some of the teams we did this season. And that falls squarely on Mario.

How do you explain Manny's defense being better at Penn State with players he didn't recruit?

 

[SFbayCane]

I completely agree with what you guys have replied with.

But there is absolutely no excuse for this seasons results.. none..

Manny did better with way less.. he also had no business being the coach.. that is also facts,. But Mario managed to have maybe the worse season in Miami history.. with a much better roster, coaches and resources..

that’s just my opinion.

You continue to compare the UM roster from 2021 with the results of the 2022 team. The 2022 UM roster would likely have looked way worse than it did. Would Manny have landed Mesidor? Who would Manny have hired to replace Lashlee as OC? One has to be able to qualify the value of different data points to come up with a qualified opinion.


Oh and to add more fuel to the fire, I fully expect Manny to win the Broyles award for top coordinator this season.

 

[SFbayCane]

I swear some of you actually believe in your heart that Manny is a better coach than Mario. I’m not even a big Mario fan, but let’s not go down that road of comparing last year to this year and drawing that conclusion.

We can still get the pitchforks out for Mario without making that silly case.

I dont want to schit on anyone here, but its worth noting that most people dont have the critical thinking skills to be able to qualify the value of different variables. Its discussions like these where you really see it.

 

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[The canesman]

So, Mario was was a by their standards a successful coach at FIU , was hired by Saban who called him one of his best recruiters, goes to Oregon where he goes 35-13 including 2 1st place finish's, Kevin Steele a long time successful defensive coordinator, Josh Gattis the broyles award winner, Alex Mirabel one of the most successful offensive line coaches all forget how to coach. Its the talent 5 years of horrific recruiting and star watching instead of actual player evaluation brought us to this point. Look at the transfers so far, Most 4 star who never sniffed the field. Yea its all Marios fault.

Yea Mario came back to Miami hired the wrong coaches all in a covert operation to sabotage the cane program.