In 14 games Herbert's senior year, he had 32 TDs.
- 5 of those games he threw 1TD or less (2 of those he had zero).
- 18 of his 36 TDS came in 4 games against Montana (5), Nevada (5), Arizona (4) and Washington (4). Washington is the only decent defense in that bunch.
- For reference, Arizona was 126th in passing D, Nevada was 99th and Washington was 56th.
- He also threw the ball 30 times or less 8 of those games, more than half. 6 of those 8 were 28 passes or less.
- He threw for <200 in each of his final 3 college games (Oregon State, Utah and Wisconsin)......<250 in 7 of this 14 senior games.
- Again for reference, Oregon State was 117th in passing D while Utah and Wisconsin were tied for 12th.
Mario had a Top10 NFL QB and just refused to use him. I honestly think that's one reason Herbert's only weakness right now in the NFL is closing out games. He wasn't asked to do it in college. All they did was run. If Mario wants to succeed in Miami, he needs to be able to modernize his attack (and demand so from his OC) to not simply have tunnel vision to control games with the run to give his D a rest (something i do agree with at times bc Manny wasn't able to do it and it showed) but also put up points with the pass, and help set up runs with the pass, AS WELL as recruit all those skill positions. If you tilt too far to one side, you lose interest from those recruits. Bama and Ohio State have found a nice balance with that. Gattis imo is NOT that guy. His passing schemes are leaving a lot to be desired at this point and like Manny, he appears stubborn thus far to make tweaks. It seems like each stop Gattis was at, he was a co-OC or had a coach step in at some point. I'm starting to see why.
Miami has had 3 cupcakes on the schedule plus A&M. Yet this offense is 77th in yards per play. AWFUL and unacceptable in every way.
I knew something was off about this post; I let it breathe for a minute, but u can thank
@TimeBum for posting that Fishduck article.
I think what we have going on here is what’s called confirmation biased. U’re telling a story, but u’re not telling the full story, just like that Fishduck article.
U brought up Herbert’s Sr yr, which is great; however Mario had Justin for his Jr & Sr yr, & I noticed u left that part out.
For reference, since Timebum posted the Fishduck article, it mentioned Herbert’s sophomore yr before Mario stating, w/o facts, that Mario ruined him. OK, what do the in depth stats say:
Justin’s Sophomore Yr (2017):
-He threw the ball 30+ times in 3 of the 8 games he played. (37.5%)*
*This included Mario’s 1st game as interim coach in the LV bowl
-He threw the ball 28+ times in 4 of the 8 games he played (50%)*
*This included Mario’s 1st game as interim coach in the LV bowl
-The defenses he faced were ranked as follows:
So. Utah (FCS Total Def 91st / 116th Passing Def)
OrSt (120th Total Def / 83rd Passing Def)
Arizona (118th Total Def / 123rd Passing Def)
ASU (108th Total Def / 120th Passing Def
Nebraska (100th Total Def / 60th Passing Def)
Cal (95th Total Def / 112th Passing Def)
Wyoming (23rd Total Def / 13th Passing Def)
Boise St (22nd Total Def / 49th Passing Def)
So the two best defenses he faced were G5 opponents.
-He played one top 25 opponent, BSU in the LV Bowl Game
Yet:
-He only threw for 2+ TDs in 4 of the 8 games he played*
*This included Mario’s 1st game as interim coach in the LV bowl
-3 of those games came against NU, ASU, OrSt, w/ the 4th coming against Boise St (the game Mario coached)
-He threw for 250+ in 5 of the 8 games (62.5%)
-UO’s Passing O ranked 94th
-UO’s Passing/Completion ranked 77th
By comparison Herbert’s Junior yr (2018):
-He threw the ball 30+ times in 9 of the 13 games played (69%) including career high’s 40+ times in back to back games.
-The Defenses he faced were as follows:
Portland St (82nd FCS Total Def / 74th Passing Def)
OrSt (128th Total Def / 101st Passing Def)
SJSt (125th Total Def / 126th Passing Def)
BGBU (106th Total Def / 6th Passing Def)
UCLA (102nd Total Def / 88th Passing Def)
Arizona (92nd Total Def / 120th Passing Def)
Stanford (78th Total Def / 114th Passing Def)
ASU (73rd Total Def / 71st Passing Def)
WASU (42nd Total Def / 56th Passing Def)
Cal (15th Total Def / 9th Passing Def)
Utah (14th Total Def / 53rd Passing Def)
Washington (12th Total Def / 25th Passing Def)
MSU (10th Total Def / 62nd Passing Def)
-He played four Top 25 opponents (all P5)
So despite playing a better schedule, against tougher defenses, Herbert did this w/ Mario:
-He threw for 2+ TDs in 9 of his 13 games played (3 of those games came against the 42nd, 15th, & 14th ranked defenses)
-He threw for 250+ in 8 of the 13 games played (61.5%)
-UO’s Passing O ranked 49th
-UO’s Passing/Completion ranked 37th
Now, what does tell me? Absolutely nothing except Mario did not “ruin” Herbert. That fishduck article was not & did not tell the whole story. The only thing I can & will say is that Mario, knowing what he had in Herbert, could’ve & should’ve used him more extensively his Sr yr. He did not get every ounce out of him that he could, & left a lot on the table to exploit. Regardless it’s a moot point, b/c when Herbert was tossing the rock his Jr Yr, they went 9-4. When the offense became more balanced, Herbert’s overall numbers increased, and the team went 12-2, so what r we really arguing here?
