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The new President will be Julio Frenk Mora

Canedude08 said:
After doing some cursory research, FIU has the same academic profile in regards to students as FAU, USF and UCF. They admit on average 50% of their applicants and the GPA, SAT/ACT ranges are similar. FIU may have improved, but they are still in the same class as FAU, USF and UCF. It's obvious that you are trying to cheerlead for FIU. Yes, there are highly talented kids that choose to stay home and go to a school that is significantly worse than other schools they got into. Whether it's because they want to stay home, whether it's financial reasons, whether it's because the local school offers a major that isn't offered at other similar schools, it happens. That said, for the most part, it's rare. If you were to take 10 local kids that are elite academically and give them a choice between UMiami and FIU, odds are Miami is going to win that more than 50% of the time, and that's a lowball estimate.

By the way, the local kids aren't Miami's bread and butter, they are a significant part of the student body, but compared to a state school, a shockingly low part of the population. 24% of the student body in 2018 was from metropolitan Miami. That's a pretty small number, compared to a place like FIU, where that number is well over double, hence their reputation as a commuter school.
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What‘s your email at the Hecht? I would rather email you then post a long message on here.
 
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cane9 said:
What‘s your email at the Hecht? I would rather email you then post a long message on here.
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I don't work at the Hecht, nor do I work for the University. What bothers me is that idiots on this board will crap on the school, tell outright lies about my alma mater, and expect alumni and other stakeholders to sit there and let the falsehoods stand. Then again, I'm not shocked that so many of our "Fans" would believe any and all negative news about the school. In the eyes of those that haven't been past the Watsco Center in regards to campus, if the football team stinks, it must mean that the entire school is bad. That isn't the case. The athletic department desperately needs new leadership, but there is little evidence that there's anything seriously wrong with the academic side.

Dr. Frenk has lost the confidence of faculty and whatnot, because of his secretive nature and the fact that he hasn't been the fundraising dynamo that Dr. Shalala was. He's been cruising off of the funds raised by Momentum I & II, he hasn't shown any interest in starting that apparatus up. That's a huge reason why Miami appears to be stuck in place on the USNWR rankings. Miami isn't raising the funds that it once was, and that is a huge part of the rankings.
 
duke4heisman said:
Navy Admiral Starvadis (sp?)
Had a great resume and would've likely brought Butch.
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He has a great resume, and odds are he wouldn't have brought Butch. Forward thinking leaders don't reach into the past for leaders. Odds are the Admiral would have been in favor of bringing in a top end AD and letting that AD do the heavy lifting. I wouldn't have been shocked if a Danny White type would have been brought in, and Danny White wouldn't have hired Butch. He would have tried to land Scott Frost or another mid major darling, because he isn't married to the "Miami Guy" garbage that this fanbase won't let go, no matter how often it fails.
 
Canedude08 said:
After doing some cursory research, FIU has the same academic profile in regards to students as FAU, USF and UCF. They admit on average 50% of their applicants and the GPA, SAT/ACT ranges are similar. FIU may have improved, but they are still in the same class as FAU, USF and UCF. It's obvious that you are trying to cheerlead for FIU. Yes, there are highly talented kids that choose to stay home and go to a school that is significantly worse than other schools they got into. Whether it's because they want to stay home, whether it's financial reasons, whether it's because the local school offers a major that isn't offered at other similar schools, it happens. That said, for the most part, it's rare. If you were to take 10 local kids that are elite academically and give them a choice between UMiami and FIU, odds are Miami is going to win that more than 50% of the time, and that's a lowball estimate.

By the way, the local kids aren't Miami's bread and butter, they are a significant part of the student body, but compared to a state school, a shockingly low part of the population. 24% of the student body in 2018 was from metropolitan Miami. That's a pretty small number, compared to a place like FIU, where that number is well over double, hence their reputation as a commuter school.
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Yeah man, no.

At this point you need ~75% BrightFutures (1170 on the SAT) to get into FIU. I'm not sure what you're looking up, but lol @ FAU being in the same ballpark. FAU is on par with Florida Gulf Coast. We're not talking about the same thing. UCF and USF...absolutely, we're talking about apples and apples.

Also, here is Georgetown's ROI study. FIU ranks 3rd of the schools we are talking about in ROI. Head of FSU,

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A First Try at ROI: Ranking 4,500 Colleges - CEW Georgetown

Ranking ROI Of 4,500 US Colleges And Universities uses data from the expanded College Scorecard and finds that bachelor’s degrees from private colleges, on average, have higher ROI than degrees from public colleges 40 years after enrollment. It also explores the value of liberal arts colleges...
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btw - before you go on another rant about your alma mater...I've got two degrees from the University of Miami myself. I'm not trashing UM, so much as its not really making itself the value prop as other schools in-state are legitimately getting better and provide nearly free rides for good Bachelor's education. FIU, UCF, and USF have gotten better while Miami has not.

I'm not going to continue to debate it while you're using nearly half-decade old data for some of these schools. Like I said, what I've said comes from Miami's own admissions department as well as working with students myself and getting them into colleges. Miami's major flaw right now is they don't give enough qualified local students financial aid to make Miami a realistic choice for them when they could go to all of the state schools for free and still get quality educations. Georgetown's recent ROI study has proven that out over the short and long term. But yeah...acceptance rate? Who cares. Thats archaic and ultimately meaningless in 2019 forward.

I'm not saying FIU > Miami. But I am saying Miami has stagnated or even declined in quality while other state schools - mostly FIU and UCF have gotten much better for a variety of reasons and now provide legitimate alternatives. For the highest qualified students, UF is still the best option for students in-state, unfortunately.
 
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Canedude08 said:
I don't work at the Hecht, nor do I work for the University. What bothers me is that idiots on this board will crap on the school, tell outright lies about my alma mater, and expect alumni and other stakeholders to sit there and let the falsehoods stand. Then again, I'm not shocked that so many of our "Fans" would believe any and all negative news about the school. In the eyes of those that haven't been past the Watsco Center in regards to campus, if the football team stinks, it must mean that the entire school is bad. That isn't the case. The athletic department desperately needs new leadership, but there is little evidence that there's anything seriously wrong with the academic side.

Dr. Frenk has lost the confidence of faculty and whatnot, because of his secretive nature and the fact that he hasn't been the fundraising dynamo that Dr. Shalala was. He's been cruising off of the funds raised by Momentum I & II, he hasn't shown any interest in starting that apparatus up. That's a huge reason why Miami appears to be stuck in place on the USNWR rankings. Miami isn't raising the funds that it once was, and that is a huge part of the rankings.
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There is actually a lot of evidence that a lot is wrong with the academic side. The undergrad has dropped nearly 20 spots and is now even with FSU. The law school has been on a downward spiral for a decade (I graduated from it, and frankly regret it to this day given other opportunities that I had). The MBA program is not even ranked by US News. The med school is now in the 50s. I happen to not believe that the US News are the end all and be all, but they are to a lot of people, including prospective students and perception is reality.

Rankings aside, I can also tell you from having worked at two of the four big accounting firms, they absolutely do not prioritize Miami as a feeder school, nor do big law firms. Miami's on-campus recruiting was a joke. I am sorry that your degree is not as valuable as when you signed up for the school, but the academic side of UM is a disaster right now and you have your head in the sand if you think otherwise.
 
miamifan007 said:
**** no Donna, we don't want you anymore.
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Oh, here we go again with the ignorant political nonsense.

Political ideology almost never has an impact on whether a person is a good university president.

Tad Foote's father-in-law was Senator Fulbright, a Southern Democrat who opposed Brown v. Board of Education and who filibustered against the Civil Rights Act of 1964. Fulbright's sister was Tucker Carlson's grandmother. Tad Foote himself, from a political standpoint, was right of center.

As for the Board of Trustees, former Chairman Chuck Cobb served in the Commerce Department under Reagan and was named Ambassador to Iceland under George H.W. Bush. The Board of Trustees has also been chaired by Leonard Miller and Stuart Miller, the family that owned and ran Lennar Homes for most of its history. Former Chairman James McLamore (creator of The Whopper) was the first CEO of Burger King. Former Chairman Phillip Frost was the CEO of IVAX. Former Chairman Chuck Colson was a law clerk for Supreme Court Justice William Rehnquist. Former Chairman Leonard Abess owned City National Bank of Florida.

Anyone who thinks that the BoT is a bunch of flaming liberals, or that conservative businessmen are somehow picking flaming liberal presidents to head the University of Miami, is sadly misinformed.

Shalala was a very good president for UM, regardless of politics. She is certainly better than Frenk. I don't care if we hire someone who votes Republican or Democrat, as long as the person we hire puts the University of Miami first.

Frenk is just stealing paychecks, quite honestly.
 
wspcane said:
There is actually a lot of evidence that a lot is wrong with the academic side. The undergrad has dropped nearly 20 spots and is now even with FSU. The law school has been on a downward spiral for a decade (I graduated from it, and frankly regret it to this day given other opportunities that I had). The MBA program is not even ranked by US News. The med school is now in the 50s. I happen to not believe that the US News are the end all and be all, but they are to a lot of people, including prospective students and perception is reality.

Rankings aside, I can also tell you from having worked at two of the four big accounting firms, they absolutely do not prioritize Miami as a feeder school, nor do big law firms. Miami's on-campus recruiting was a joke. I am sorry that your degree is not as valuable as when you signed up for the school, but the academic side of UM is a disaster right now and you have your head in the sand if you think otherwise.
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A lot of hard truth here.

On the ranking front, if the school doesn't have the dexterity both on the substance and p-r front to manage this properly (and they obviously don't based on the freefalls you've cited) then one has to wonder how capable or incapable they are on other fronts. The ranking systems are beyond flawed but they absolutely are influential and for UM to ever dismiss them only serves to make us look like total clowns after years when we touted them.

The only shining light here (and it's limited) is that a UM degree will always hold weight in Miami/South Florida. So maybe just plan on moving to Kendall post graduation rather than waste time with interviews in Chicago, Boston or LA. If your goal was to land a job in NYC just move there disirregardless. We don't want your kind staying here.
 
wspcane said:
There is actually a lot of evidence that a lot is wrong with the academic side. The undergrad has dropped nearly 20 spots and is now even with FSU. The law school has been on a downward spiral for a decade (I graduated from it, and frankly regret it to this day given other opportunities that I had). The MBA program is not even ranked by US News. The med school is now in the 50s. I happen to not believe that the US News are the end all and be all, but they are to a lot of people, including prospective students and perception is reality.

Rankings aside, I can also tell you from having worked at two of the four big accounting firms, they absolutely do not prioritize Miami as a feeder school, nor do big law firms. Miami's on-campus recruiting was a joke. I am sorry that your degree is not as valuable as when you signed up for the school, but the academic side of UM is a disaster right now and you have your head in the sand if you think otherwise.
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Miami needs a massive fund-raising campaign, so that they can start giving out scholarship money on the Vanderbilt/Rice level.

Miami needs a great president to lead the way forward for a solid 20-year run.

Miami needs to build up its research funding on the med/grad side, and to do a MUCH better job of integrating the law/MBA programs into the employment world. This includes a much more practical approach on the law school side and a much more robust internship/clinical/job placement role for both law and med. Too many graduates make their own connections and do not attribute their success to their UM education, and I see this as both an alum (generally) and a person in the business/law world (career-wise).
 
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Tad Footeball said:
A lot of hard truth here.

On the ranking front, if the school doesn't have the dexterity both on the substance and p-r front to manage this properly (and they obviously don't based on the freefalls you've cited) then one has to wonder how capable or incapable they are on other fronts. The ranking systems are beyond flawed but they absolutely are influential and for UM to ever dismiss them only serves to make us look like total clowns after years when we touted them.

The only shining light here (and it's limited) is that a UM degree will always hold weight in Miami/South Florida. So maybe just plan on moving to Kendall post graduation rather than waste time with interviews in Chicago, Boston or LA. If your goal was to land a job in NYC just move there disirregardless. We don't want your kind staying here.
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I wound up moving to Atlanta after graduation nearly a decade ago. The reality is in Miami bigger law firms will consider UM kids, but they can also poach from the top school from around the country, so there really is not much incentive for them to push Miami recruiting or spend much time interviewing there outside of the top 20 or so kids in the class after 1L year. Even if they do recruit Miami, there are not multiple spots in their summer associate program or new hire program going to UM, especially when you factor out of state, UF, and FSU law schools in. Maybe Greenberg, Akerman or Holland & Knight that have historic South Florida ties are the exceptions.

My wife is in big law up here and I had the accounting side. The cold hard facts are in Atlanta and the surrounding major cities (Charlotte and Nashville), you are better off going to any one of Alabama, Auburn, Tennessee, Georgia, UF, or FSU than Miami, not even mentioning schools like UNC, UVA, Emory, Vanderbilt, etc.

EY has 2,500 or so employees in Atlanta. They fly people to Gainesville and Tallahassee to recruit but not Miami, on top of driving to all of those other schools. Same with KPMG and Deloitte. EY and KPMG did not even do OCI when I was at Miami. PWC and Deloitte did. Those firms' offices in Miami are a fraction of the size. Big law up here would borderline laugh at a Miami law degree.

The reality is, even when Miami moved into the top 30 it had a reputation problem. Now that it is sliding, it has a big problem for recruiting.
 
TheOriginalCane said:
Miami needs a massive fund-raising campaign, so that they can start giving out scholarship money on the Vanderbilt/Rice level.

Miami needs a great president to lead the way forward for a solid 20-year run.

Miami needs to build up its research funding on the med/grad side, and to do a MUCH better job of integrating the law/MBA programs into the employment world. This includes a much more practical approach on the law school side and a much more robust internship/clinical/job placement role for both law and med. Too many graduates make their own connections and do not attribute their success to their UM education, and I see this as both an alum (generally) and a person in the business/law world (career-wise).
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This is 100% correct. My dad graduated undergrad and med school, and continued to be extremely involved until the last few years. Shalala's asinine purchase of the hospital, Goldschmidt, and some other things made him much less active.

For me, the law school career center was 100% useless. I got a masters in accounting before starting law school and got an LLM in Tax. Obviously in 2009-2010 there were not many tax law jobs to be had, so the big four accounting firms were fortunately a viable option to start my career. The law school career center did nothing to help in my efforts to go in that direction, and I wound up networking and getting the job entirely on my own.

Incidentally, Big 4 accounting firms hire a ton of attorneys out of school, which is a great way to start building your resume before pivoting back to law. There is still zero effort made by the law school to help their students have more job opportunities through that avenue. They are more worried about continuing to teach Elements to 1Ls and depress GPAs with a 2.7 curve. To your point, because of all of this, I will never give a cent to the law school and told them to stop contacting me unless it is to connect me with students who would like help starting their careers. Unsurprisingly, I have never heard from anyone.

The tax reform excise tax on university endowments may force Miami's hand into giving out more scholarships, but they need a president with way better vision and aggression. I went to Tulane for undergrad, and their last two presidents are pretty much what Miami needs. I know UM is never getting an on-campus stadium, but coming out of a 1-2 punch of Katrina and the recession, that school has never been stronger. They have rebuilt most of the campus and reshaped it in the last few years, built an on-campus football stadium for a program that no one really cares about, continued to recruit better and better students, use New Orleans to its fullest, focus on its strongest academic programs, entered into tons of new community outreach and job placement programs. We have Frenk that sits in front of his mirror with a can of mousse and a lint roller.
 
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wspcane said:
This is 100% correct. My dad graduated undergrad and med school, and continued to be extremely involved until the last few years. Shalala's asinine purchase of the hospital, Goldschmidt, and some other things made him much less active.

For me, the law school career center was 100% useless. I got a masters in accounting before starting law school and got an LLM in Tax. Obviously in 2009-2010 there were not many tax law jobs to be had, so the big four accounting firms were fortunately a viable option to start my career. The law school career center did nothing to help in my efforts to go in that direction, and I wound up networking and getting the job entirely on my own.

Incidentally, Big 4 law firms hire a ton of attorneys out of school, which is a great way to start building your resume before pivoting back to law. There is still zero effort made by the law school to help their students have more job opportunities through that avenue. They are more worried about continuing to teach Elements to 1Ls a depress GPAs with a 2.7 curve. To your point, because of all of this, I will never give a cent to the law school and told them to stop contacting me unless it is to connect me with students who would like help starting their careers. Unsurprisingly, I have never heard from anyone.

The tax reform excise tax on university endowments may force Miami's hand into giving out more scholarships, but they need a president with way better vision and aggression. I went to Tulane for undergrad, and their last two presidents are pretty much what Miami needs. I know UM is never getting an on-campus stadium, but coming out of a 1-2 punch of Katrina and the recession, that school has never been stronger. They have rebuilt most of the campus and reshaped it in the last few years, built an on-campus football stadium for a program that no one really cares about, continued to recruit better and better students, use New Orleans to its fullest, focus on its strongest academic programs, entered into tons of new community outreach and job placement programs. We have Frenk that sits in front of his mirror with a can of mousse and a lint roller.
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My wife's cousin teaches at Tulane and we just went to visit a few months ago. I was surprised at how beautiful it was, a lot of buildings and areas are much nicer than Miami.
 
duke4heisman said:
My wife's cousin teaches at Tulane and we just went to visit a few months ago. I was surprised at how beautiful it was, a lot of buildings and areas are much nicer than Miami.
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They really re-shaped that campus. They added a massive second building to the business school while gutting the existing building in 2005-2008, and now added a whole second expansion to it recently. They rebuilt the student union. That street in the middle used to be open to traffic. They shut it off and made it pedestrian only. Built more dorms and academic support over by The Boot. Obviously added the football stadium (name donor of the stadium is a family from Miami). Then the front of campus by the park they left largely untouched.

But equally important, they have a ton of programs connecting students with local tech start-ups, accounting firms, law firms, etc. They require students to do community outreach and volunteer programs. They also rebuilt the medical school back up after Katrina and joined a JV with LSU and another hospital on a HUGE new campus near the French Quarter on Canal St (as opposed to Shalala overpaying HCA by 9 figures and then poaching patients from Jackson, nearly sending both hospitals into ruin). They had two killer presidents back to back, while UM was stuck with this.
 
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