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JD08 said:
I don't begrudge anyone for making a bad hire. Failing to correct it is another matter. If the five year contract scenario is correct, we'll know if UM has decided to mire in mediocrity come August.
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Dude is run by the BOT in a way Donna wasn't; they like having influence so don't be surprised if they re-up with this cat.
People talk a lot of **** but Donna would have demanded changes from Athletics after the performance this season, and that's without a doubt!

I'd like Jeb as President and think he'd be great.
 
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Mahoney-Pearson said:
Dude is run by the BOT in a way Donna wasn't; they like having influence so don't be surprised if they re-up with this cat.
People talk a lot of **** but Donna would have demanded changes from Athletics after the performance this season, and that's without a doubt!

I'd like Jeb as President and think he'd be great.
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I don't pretend to know the current situation, but there are leaders who are more effective than this and yes, I do believe Shalala was better than Frenk. The right president wants their university to improve in all aspects, even if some take precedence over others. Rom my distant position, Frenk just seems to be occupying a desk.
 
supersaiyanshel said:
Pretty sure hes on his way out.
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I'm not too happy with how the University has developed under him. Feel like its taken a few steps back.

My friend in the admissions department talks about numerous changes that came from top down in regard to the types of kids they want. They are struggling to get good students to the school while FIU has gotten much better in that same time period. Times are tough.
 
Mahoney-Pearson said:
Dude is run by the BOT in a way Donna wasn't; they like having influence so don't be surprised if they re-up with this cat.
People talk a lot of **** but Donna would have demanded changes from Athletics after the performance this season, and that's without a doubt!

I'd like Jeb as President and think he'd be great.
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Jeb Bush?
 
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BoxingRobes said:
I'm not too happy with how the University has developed under him. Feel like its taken a few steps back.

My friend in the admissions department talks about numerous changes that came from top down in regard to the types of kids they want. They are struggling to get good students to the school while FIU has gotten much better in that same time period. Times are tough.
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That's complete nonsense. The stats and admission requirements are still high. They may be struggling to get high end middle class kids, because the financial aid packages aren't as fat as they once were. Kids that can get a free ride at a lesser known school aren't choosing big name schools unless they can match. That's a problem throughout academia.
 
Canedude08 said:
That's complete nonsense. The stats and admission requirements are still high. They may be struggling to get high end middle class kids, because the financial aid packages aren't as fat as they once were. Kids that can get a free ride at a lesser known school aren't choosing big name schools unless they can match. That's a problem throughout academia.
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Brother, that's from admissions. Idk what to tell you. Believe what you want.
 
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BoxingRobes said:
Brother, that's from admissions. Idk what to tell you. Believe what you want.
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Your friends are feeding you a line of crap, or you are flat out trying to BS all of us. Even if I took your statement at face value, it doesn't make sense. Your entire premise isn't backed up by statistics nor logic. Miami's admissions numbers haven't really moved all that much in the previous decade. Miami is admitting a shade under 40% of applicants, that's been the case for a decade. Miami was trending toward 35 and below% when I was a snot nosed freshman, but the recession knocked that off. A lot of kids were scared off from applying, and you saw the number rise. While the economy has improved since 2008, a lot of kids are still avoiding private schools, unless it's the unquestioned top tier, and they know full well that they can afford it. Admission percentage is still holding pretty steady otherwise, and the profile of the typical freshman remains significantly higher than somewhere like FIU. If Miami was having problems attracting top end talent like you indicate, the admission percentage would be rising significantly, while the stats of the incoming class would be dropping like turds in a well. That isn't happening. Miami has also moved away from throwing **** tons of money at high achieving middle class kids, believing that they can attract more top end kids that can AFFORD it without having to bribe them. Go walk around campus, the demographics have changed mightily since someone like me, who finished undergrad in 2009 was around. It's even more jarring for older alumni.

You still see the rich, northeastern kids(Which is the schools bread and butter), but the diversity elements have changed. You see fewer blacks and latinos, and kids from the midwest than you did in previous decades. Why? Most of us were working class kids that got fat scholarship packages, which made attending UMiami possible. We've been replaced by talented, upper middle class kids from Cali, a lot of whom are from asian cultures. There's nothing wrong with it, but you can see why the school would want to attract those kids. It's better for your bottom line if you can attract a kid with similar scores and achievements as me, but they are paying full price, when you had to give me a 75% tuition discount for me to even consider coming(Miami was my top choice, but unless the money was right, I was prepared to stay instate and go to UTexas)

I don't even get why you would try to include FIU in your analysis, the kind of kid that can get into UMiami isn't going to FIU. Why? Simple, if you have the numbers to get into Miami, you most likely have the numbers to get into UF, FSU, UCF, USF and FAU, schools that have historically ranked significantly higher than FIU. Not only that, your tuition as an in-state student would be extremely similar at those institutions, making FIU's major selling point(Price) all but meaningless.

201920182017201620152014
Applicants38,91934,27930,63432,52533,41631,608
Admits10,55711,02010,93612,26612,62512,064
Admit Rate27.1%32.1%35.7%37.7%37.8%38.2%
SAT rangeN/A1250–14301220–14101210–13901200–13901220–1420
ACT rangeN/A29–3228–3228–3228–3228–32

That's Miami incoming freshman class numbers over the last five years.

Fall freshman admissions[41]
20142013201220112010
Applicants42,60140,44539,74141,14137,634
Admits20,36419,12618,01317,96216,748
% Admitted47.947.345.543.844.6
This table does not account deferred
applications or other unique situations.

These are FIU's numbers, this is what's available. I don't know why they don't have more recent data available. That said, I don't think it's an accident that FIU doesn't want you to know certain things about their student body.
 
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Canedude08 said:
Your friends are feeding you a line of crap, or you are flat out trying to BS all of us. Even if I took your statement at face value, it doesn't make sense. Your entire premise isn't backed up by statistics nor logic. Miami's admissions numbers haven't really moved all that much in the previous decade. Miami is admitting a shade under 40% of applicants, that's been the case for a decade. Miami was trending toward 35 and below% when I was a snot nosed freshman, but the recession knocked that off. A lot of kids were scared off from applying, and you saw the number rise. While the economy has improved since 2008, a lot of kids are still avoiding private schools, unless it's the unquestioned top tier, and they know full well that they can afford it. Admission percentage is still holding pretty steady otherwise, and the profile of the typical freshman remains significantly higher than somewhere like FIU. If Miami was having problems attracting top end talent like you indicate, the admission percentage would be rising significantly, while the stats of the incoming class would be dropping like turds in a well. That isn't happening. Miami has also moved away from throwing **** tons of money at high achieving middle class kids, believing that they can attract more top end kids that can AFFORD it without having to bribe them. Go walk around campus, the demographics have changed mightily since someone like me, who finished undergrad in 2009 was around. It's even more jarring for older alumni.

You still see the rich, northeastern kids(Which is the schools bread and butter), but the diversity elements have changed. You see fewer blacks and latinos, and kids from the midwest than you did in previous decades. Why? Most of us were working class kids that got fat scholarship packages, which made attending UMiami possible. We've been replaced by talented, upper middle class kids from Cali, a lot of whom are from asian cultures. There's nothing wrong with it, but you can see why the school would want to attract those kids. It's better for your bottom line if you can attract a kid with similar scores and achievements as me, but they are paying full price, when you had to give me a 75% tuition discount for me to even consider coming(Miami was my top choice, but unless the money was right, I was prepared to stay instate and go to UTexas)

I don't even get why you would try to include FIU in your analysis, the kind of kid that can get into UMiami isn't going to FIU. Why? Simple, if you have the numbers to get into Miami, you most likely have the numbers to get into UF, FSU, UCF, USF and FAU, schools that have historically ranked significantly higher than FIU. Not only that, your tuition as an in-state student would be extremely similar at those institutions, making FIU's major selling point(Price) all but meaningless.
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I don't know what to tell you...this is from my friend in the admissions office that works on local prospective students. You wrote a whole lot...I'm just telling you what that person has told me. That has nothing to do with NE kids. Local ones.

Also, FIU has gotten much better as a school. Their admissions standards are higher than UCF, FSU, FAU, and USF at this point (not UF, obviously) and along with Connect4Success and their programs that funnel kids into their law and medical schools, they've become a real solid option. From personal experience, numerous excellent local students (Top 5 in their class types) that have gotten accepted to Miami with scholarship (but not full rides) have chosen to go to FIU. Happens a lot more than you think, especially with local hispanic students. There was an internal initiative by the university to try and get more of these students into the school to mixed success. Georgetown's recent study on College ROI was very favorable to FIU and they were ahead of all of the other state schools sans UF at the 10/20/30/40 year ROI mark.
 
BoxingRobes said:
I don't know what to tell you...this is from my friend in the admissions office that works on local prospective students. You wrote a whole lot...I'm just telling you what that person has told me. That has nothing to do with NE kids. Local ones.

Also, FIU has gotten much better as a school. Their admissions standards are higher than UCF, FSU, FAU, and USF at this point (not UF, obviously) and along with Connect4Success and their programs that funnel kids into their law and medical schools, they've become a real solid option. From personal experience, numerous excellent local students (Top 5 in their class types) that have gotten accepted to Miami with scholarship (but not full rides) have chosen to go to FIU. Happens a lot more than you think, especially with local hispanic students. There was an internal initiative by the university to try and get more of these students into the school to mixed success. Georgetown's recent study on College ROI was very favorable to FIU and they were ahead of all of the other state schools sans UF at the 10/20/30/40 year ROI mark.
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After doing some cursory research, FIU has the same academic profile in regards to students as FAU, USF and UCF. They admit on average 50% of their applicants and the GPA, SAT/ACT ranges are similar. FIU may have improved, but they are still in the same class as FAU, USF and UCF. It's obvious that you are trying to cheerlead for FIU. Yes, there are highly talented kids that choose to stay home and go to a school that is significantly worse than other schools they got into. Whether it's because they want to stay home, whether it's financial reasons, whether it's because the local school offers a major that isn't offered at other similar schools, it happens. That said, for the most part, it's rare. If you were to take 10 local kids that are elite academically and give them a choice between UMiami and FIU, odds are Miami is going to win that more than 50% of the time, and that's a lowball estimate.

By the way, the local kids aren't Miami's bread and butter, they are a significant part of the student body, but compared to a state school, a shockingly low part of the population. 24% of the student body in 2018 was from metropolitan Miami. That's a pretty small number, compared to a place like FIU, where that number is well over double, hence their reputation as a commuter school.
 
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