the most frustrating thing about yesterday...

[CANEMC]

Gattis being on the sideline sure helped. Appalling playcalling.

 

[pacusmc]

You saw this pro set bs and how outdated it was last night with
Kentucky and Tennessee.

Kentucky was down that fast to a team and they kept trying to run and wear out clock and field position. All the sht that the old school heads talk about.

Then next thing you know they’re down by 3 td’s and inside their 10 yard line and the opposing defense is acting like a pack of sharks with chum in the water and the entire offense and the coaches are in full panic mode.

It’s time to switch it up.

I’m a Mario supporter but Virginia is a really really bad team. Like really bad.
No reason to go 4 OT’s.

 

[RozayCane]

not with 8 turnovers against duke and giving up 45 points to middle tennessee state it wouldn't

Once again..

Last years same play calling would have way more buy in, less thinking from the QB on down.. with less mistakes imo.

This offense if more talented, and more experience then last year, but with way less results. Why is that? Play calling.

I get many want to just pretend all of sudden these players are just jags now. But to not realize how damaging this offense has been to the players is disingenuous.

 

[skyman]

We are 113th in run/pass ratio. This isn’t smash mouth football. That’s a myth that needs to die. This is a pass-happy offense that sucks at passing.

We need massive, fundamental changes, but the problem isn’t running too much.

What we are doing on field right now has nothing to do with the philosophy of what these guys want to do.. We had soo many backs down and TVD that they had no choice but to skew to pass.. Never said the problem is running too much either.. The philosophy of what mario wants is clearly stated in his interviews and his choices in coaches.

They are now in just survive mode, which I dont mind.. I rather win like yesterday by any means, but I am not taking the stats from that to prove anything. We can look at Mario career and see his philosophy. He is talent acquisition guy, he is not x and o guy.. He will never be, we just have to hope with the 8 milli we paid him he can do what he wants to execute his neanderthal football

 

[nvlahos]

The scheme and concepts just suck

Even if we had 5 stars everywhere it would still be boring

Mario has to revisit his philosophy and hire new OC

 

[407cane]

Once again..

Last years same play calling would have way more buy in, less thinking from the QB on down.. with less mistakes imo.

This offense if more talented, and more experience then last year, but with way less results. Why is that? Play calling.

I get many want to just pretend all of sudden these players are just jags now. But to not realize how damaging this offense has been to the players is disingenuous.

it's okay to acknowledge that the playcalling has been crap and so have the players..

8 turnovers is unexecusable no matter who the **** is calling plays, that is HISTORICALLY bad my friend.

we all want gattis gone but that doesn't mean we just pretend that every other aspect of our team is great

 

[skyman]

I’m not going to get into the hiring process, but from what we all heard, I don’t think Gattis was his 1st choice. Water under the bridge at this point.

There’s also the argument that Mario isn’t an X’s and O’s guru so my question is just how much influence does he really have on the O scheme.

We could go on and on as to why we’re seeing the **** we’re seeing on offense. Bottom line is it’s obvious something’s gotta give and only Mario has the power to change it…… or not.

Agreed with everything stated. At this point just have to support and hope we can outtalent teams and trip into a competent OC.

 

[datcaneguy]

I’m not going to get into the hiring process, but from what we all heard, I don’t think Gattis was his 1st choice. Water under the bridge at this point.

There’s also the argument that Mario isn’t an X’s and O’s guru so my question is just how much influence does he really have on the O scheme.

We could go on and on as to why we’re seeing the **** we’re seeing on offense. Bottom line is it’s obvious something’s gotta give and only Mario has the power to change it…… or not.

i think too he going to have to give up his boys Ponce and Mirobal and the te coach. No OC wants to bring in his system w/o his people that are familiar with it. Gattis did and look how its turning out. Dude never worked w/ any of his 3 offensive assistants previously. Folks hollering for this OC and that OC they not coming under the current terms of these are your coordinators. Gattis leaves get ready for Ponce as the new OC unless he take an OC job else where. Then and only then do i think Mario would let an OC come in w/ his own qb coach and maybe te coach but as far as oline i thinks thats off limits for any OC.

 

[Torocane]

just watching over college games, involving the likes of UCLA, Tenn, etc, just how easy they move the ball and score. They create open space for their skill guys, big plays downfield, and it looks easy and efficient. It looks modern. We looks prehistoric at times in our approach

Our old friend, Jedd Fisch, is putting up some numbers at a rebuilding Arizona program. Oregon, they are racking up numbers. Go down the line across the country.

Everything UM does offensively is a grind. Just very difficult, and they can't layer their plays to create explosive ones down the line

Yeah, I get it, our OLine is depleted, running backs are down, we need an infusion of speed outside (all of which will be addressed through recruiting and portal), but your system and play-calling have to be tailored for the current players you have. I get it, I dont expect the 2001 unit, but I would think we should average at least 20 points vs P5 teams

Last season under Lashlee we were around 35 points per game.

I dont know if this is all on Josh Gattis, but he certainly shoulders some of the blame.

My one concern about Mario was his offensive philosophy(tied into game management), and well, this season hasn't assuaged my worries in that department. It's Ok to put up 50-points on folks and just blow them out. It doesn't always have to be ground-and-pound.

"Everything UM does offensively is a grind. Just very difficult, and they can't layer their plays to create explosive ones down the line"

This 100%

 

[Salt]

just watching over college games, involving the likes of UCLA, Tenn, etc, just how easy they move the ball and score. They create open space for their skill guys, big plays downfield, and it looks easy and efficient. It looks modern. We looks prehistoric at times in our approach

Our old friend, Jedd Fisch, is putting up some numbers at a rebuilding Arizona program. Oregon, they are racking up numbers. Go down the line across the country.

Everything UM does offensively is a grind. Just very difficult, and they can't layer their plays to create explosive ones down the line

Yeah, I get it, our OLine is depleted, running backs are down, we need an infusion of speed outside (all of which will be addressed through recruiting and portal), but your system and play-calling have to be tailored for the current players you have. I get it, I dont expect the 2001 unit, but I would think we should average at least 20 points vs P5 teams

Last season under Lashlee we were around 35 points per game.

I dont know if this is all on Josh Gattis, but he certainly shoulders some of the blame.

My one concern about Mario was his offensive philosophy(tied into game management), and well, this season hasn't assuaged my worries in that department. It's Ok to put up 50-points on folks and just blow them out. It doesn't always have to be ground-and-pound.

If we see it they see it too. I think with Mario it's more important to build the mindset of his team into his image first. Changing culture is different than scheme. Scheme is more like smoke and mirrors. Culture is the cornerstone.

He is obviously selling that and getting quality recruits to buy in that will help rebuild the program into his vision from the ground up. I get the frustration though. I wish it were different and we can see immediate improvement. However more importantly what I would like to see is lasting improvement.

 

[Angry Ibis]

We are 113th in run/pass ratio. This isn’t smash mouth football. That’s a myth that needs to die. This is a pass-happy offense that sucks at passing.

We need massive, fundamental changes, but the problem isn’t running too much.

It’s because he wants to be running…

So the passing offense is run like a bratty 7 year forced to clean their room… and the result is just as messy…

 

[Salt]

Gattis being on the sideline sure helped. Appalling playcalling.

Or maybe yelling at his unit they are the worst bunch he's ever seen after every three and out was not motivational enough?

Joking aside I wonder what Ponce was doing? Not a vote of confidence if the OC has to come down from the booth and take over some of your duties.

 

[oduke1]

Hopefully the hospital money will run out soon. Will not change as long as corch fat Manny is calling the shots.

Same **** different team with that idiota.

 

[Cribby]

We are 113th in run/pass ratio. This isn’t smash mouth football. That’s a myth that needs to die. This is a pass-happy offense that sucks at passing.

We need massive, fundamental changes, but the problem isn’t running too much.

The problem passing as much as we are is doing it with a scheme that’s very vanilla with its route concepts. A lot of the concepts are deeper , more slow developing plays. Based off having a good running game that plays to big shots in the passing game. We don’t have the OL for that. I know we’ve added some different things the last few weeks but it looks as if cb’s were sitting on everything yesterday. Like the play sheet is getting used up. Gattis isn’t exactly known for being some kind of pass game guru.

 

[TemplarCane]

i think too he going to have to give up his boys Ponce and Mirobal and the te coach. No OC wants to bring in his system w/o his people that are familiar with it. Gattis did and look how its turning out. Dude never worked w/ any of his 3 offensive assistants previously. Folks hollering for this OC and that OC they not coming under the current terms of these are your coordinators. Gattis leaves get ready for Ponce as the new OC unless he take an OC job else where. Then and only then do i think Mario would let an OC come in w/ his own qb coach and maybe te coach but as far as oline i thinks thats off limits for any OC.

Agree on OL, Mirabal. Who I think is a well-regarded coach.

Gattis needs walking papers, but I’d hate to see Ponce promoted. JHC, no. He was WR coach for Mario at FIU, maybe we’ll get lucky (so to speak) and he’ll take that position and a new OC takes over as OC/QB coach. This would be a sticking point for a new hire, IMO. Otherwise plenty of OCs are hired without releasing the entire offensive staff.

Would rather have a new WR coach though.

Field seems to be a solid recruiter, and the TEs are not a liability. Mallory is who he always has been, soft, but that’s not on Field. Skinner is playing as a true freshman, Arroyo is injured, and Brantley played well yesterday.

Smith? Need to see more once the RB room is revamped, see who he can help recruit. He lost Chaney and Citizen (1A, 1B) in camp, and Knighton has been fumble prone and dinged up. Would‘t be surprised if he and Thad jumped into the portal and left.

 

[DMoney]

What we are doing on field right now has nothing to do with the philosophy of what these guys want to do.. We had soo many backs down and TVD that they had no choice but to skew to pass.. Never said the problem is running too much either.. The philosophy of what mario wants is clearly stated in his interviews and his choices in coaches.

They are now in just survive mode, which I dont mind.. I rather win like yesterday by any means, but I am not taking the stats from that to prove anything. We can look at Mario career and see his philosophy. He is talent acquisition guy, he is not x and o guy.. He will never be, we just have to hope with the 8 milli we paid him he can do what he wants to execute his neanderthal football

I agree that he is a talent acquisition guy. If he believes that championship teams have huge offensive lines that can impose their will running the ball, he is correct historically and currently. But those teams are also cutting-edge in the passing game.

My hope is that we see something like Oklahoma. People focus on their passing, but they were a majority-run team with a huge OL. That is the ideal vision for us IMO.

 

[Cribby]

Or maybe yelling at his unit they are the worst bunch he's ever seen after every three and out was not motivational enough?

Joking aside I wonder what Ponce was doing? Not a vote of confidence if the OC has to come down from the booth and take over some of your duties.

Leaking crap out to cover his *** and blaming players is when I was out. Telling the media your qb doesn’t have wr’s numbers was beyond sleazy and we all know why he did it. I knew coming in he was a pretty toxic dude and he hasn’t disappointed.

 

[panthercane]

Do we know who was actually Mario’s first choice at OC, not just rumored?

 

[88]

It’s crazy your pass game can suck so badly.

Lane Kiffin is a known copy cat that scours football for plays that work each week and just runs them.

It can be as simple as that sometimes.

 

[Hurracanes]

The problem passing as much as we are is doing it with a scheme that’s very vanilla with its route concepts. A lot of the concepts are deeper , more slow developing plays. Based off having a good running game that plays to big shots in the passing game. We don’t have the OL for that. I know we’ve added some different things the last few weeks but it looks as if cb’s were sitting on everything yesterday. Like the play sheet is getting used up. Gattis isn’t exactly known for being some kind of pass game guru.

I know you were getting work done but if you ever watch the game, you will see how no one was open. UVA was all over our WR’s and TE’s. I know our WR’s suck and are slow but the routes we run are as bad as Lashlee’s running play draws. Holy ****. Yesterday, it was more noticeable than ever.