The money has gotten obscene in college athletics

[NC_Canes_11]

OR they could let em profit of their likeness.

Which takes away from the universities, which leads to higher costs of merchandise. It is asinine to think that these universities are gonna eat any of this loss. They will pass it on to everybody else

 

[Miami[]_[]Smoke]

Billion dollar organization$- Industry making an killing literally off of poor inner city and good old small town country kids.

See my profile pic-You all already know how I feel about this!

They have an alternative: not take the free education and wait 3 years to try out for the NFL without the benefit and exposure that playing CFB gives them.

 

[Canesq]

If you want no rules governing college athletics, say goodbye to college athletics as we know it.

I didn't say no rules did I? I don't think either extreme is right. They have to find a balance or asst least try.

It's a joke that Jarren Williams can't have an autograph session and charge for it but that clown Nick Satan is on my tv making millions from an state commercial and getting his mansion paid for by the University. You don't think Tua and Jeudy are part of the reason he's able to make so much money? Why can't they make a little extra on the side. Are students on academic scholarship not allowed to work?

 

[Miami[]_[]Smoke]

I think you have to separate the theory vs. the reality/practical.

What do you pay football players? How do you determine it? What does a starter get vs. a bench player? FCS vs. FBS? Ivy League? What about a walkon? What about basketball and other sports? What about womens sports? Think of the title IX issues. If college athletes are now employees/pros, what happens to their scholarships? Are they now taxable?

The law of unintended consequences is a huge factor here, and needs to be thoroughly considered.

exactly, any new law or rule will almost certainly mandate that all student athletes get paid equally so we are just trading one unfair practice for another. players will not get their fair market value at any college due to title IX so I think its a stupid argument to keep having when no one can propose a viable alternative. Zion williamson's value in September last year was a **** of a lot lower than it was in MArch, simply due to the exposure he got at Duke.

 

[Go Canes!!]

If you think it is only about the games bless your heart.

Your post literally says he needs to schedule more games like the big boys.

 

[Miami[]_[]Smoke]

I didn't say no rules did I? I don't think either extreme is right. They have to find a balance or asst least try.

It's a joke that Jarren Williams can't have an autograph session and charge for it but that clown Nick Satan is on my tv making millions from an state commercial and getting his mansion paid for by the University. You don't think Tua and Jeudy are part of the reason he's able to make so much money? Why can't they make a little extra on the side. Are students on academic scholarship not allowed to work?

Booster's paid off his house, and all of Saban's income is taxable. as I said, players are free to play football elsewhere and get paid for it, but guess what? that platform and pay will be a joke compared to what the NCAA offers. Question: how do you feel about recruits parents being so involved in their recruitment and almost shopping them out? because that will only rise to an even more obnoxious level if you bring more money into the equation for the athletes.

 

[Hegemon]

Your post literally says he needs to schedule more games like the big boys.

Our OOC schedule should be better.

Yes he is. He is a TERRIBLE marketer for this program though. Pick and chose snippets from my original post.

 

[Miami[]_[]Smoke]

You're the one who sounds like they got your talking points from The Party. Those are questions the market literally answers everywhere else just fine. It boggles my mind that college sports is somehow some crazy exception that we need the guiding hand of the NCAA to run for us otherwise chaos and inequality will rip apart the fabric of our fragile society.



LOL. NCAA: Corrupt, but fair. You should print that on a T shirt and wear it around so everyone knows what a dip **** you are.

Do you not realize that if the NCAA were gone overnight, all that would happen is those players would go into the already-deep talent pool of the NFL, probably play on the practice squad for a couple years and then get cut? another "amateur" football league isnt going to takes its place and fill 100,000 seat stadiums and pay these guys hundreds of thousands of dollars per year like you think the free market would. It would have about as much viewership as baseball minor leagues because nobody gives a **** about minor leagues. the history of college football, the schools, the teams, the conferences, etc is what gives cfb legitimacy. If you dont agree with that, Id love to hear your reasons why people fill stadiums to watch these games.

 

[NC_Canes_11]

I didn't say no rules did I? I don't think either extreme is right. They have to find a balance or asst least try.

It's a joke that Jarren Williams can't have an autograph session and charge for it but that clown Nick Satan is on my tv making millions from an state commercial and getting his mansion paid for by the University. You don't think Tua and Jeudy are part of the reason he's able to make so much money? Why can't they make a little extra on the side. Are students on academic scholarship not allowed to work?

That’s like asking why an employee of a huge corporation can’t steal the product and sell it on his own. The schools brand made those players. Without the schools they are nobodies. It’s called life, you gotta pay your dues and the way they get treated, I would say they are doing just fine.

You can’t have a job bc of boosters and fans. You really think these kids wouldn’t have no show jobs and get paid 10 times their wages under the table?

 

[Miami[]_[]Smoke]

OR they could let em profit of their likeness.

ok, so players can start having autograph sessions off-campus, while not wearing any university logos or clothes, signing head shots of themselves because they cant use the school or NCAA trademarks to enhance their likeness. It goes both ways and without the NCAA or school, all of a sudden the autograph sessions look pathetic.. how much you think people will pay for autographs of kids in street clothes?

 

[mirednmediocrity2]

....proves that we should have thrown ton of more money at coaching hires than settling for blue light specials like Randy and Al Folden... would have been raking in millions

....proves that we should have thrown ton of more money at coaching hires than settling for blue light specials like Randy and Al Folden... would have been raking in millions

This is what I cannot understand about Miami. The school always does things *** backwards. When the team was winning, it had to be making a fortune off that success. You saw Miami stuff everywhere in stores and on people you passed on the street. The publicity, whether good or bad, was 24/7/365. Why did the administration kill the goose that laid golden eggs so completely with these trash coaching hires ? They could have hired someone so much better.

 

[Miami[]_[]Smoke]

Tio, the revolution happened over 60 years ago, maybe it's time to give the labels a rest? This isn't a conversation about Title IX, fixing the broken system, or your humble brag about how you spent 7 years at FIU getting a double major in Communications and Spanish while working at Pollo Tropical.

College athletics are shaped and organized by the tax statutes that govern them and Universities are pushing back because they know that their gravy train is under attack.


You understand that that Universities enter into joint ventures with for-profit businesses to generate revenue, right? You must understand that the revenue paid to say ESPN or Addidas ends up on their balance sheet, right? You also understand that players can't make money off of their likeness right? You also understand that university employees are getting paid bloated salaries to (mis)manage athletic departments, right? (See Blarke Jarmes).

There is a simple fix to this problem. Drop the charade of student-athletics and let the professional leagues build out academies and minor leagues. The least amount of regulation, oversight, and subsidy. Capitalism at its finest.

Its simple, but its not a fix. nobody watches the D league, MLB minor leagues or watched NFL Europe so it would be a lose-lose situation for 90% of the kids and schools because the new minor league would fold after 1-2 years or they would still make crap money because no one cares about the Miami Sea Crabs

 

[pbccane]

How about setting up a gofundme style fund for specific recruits but NOT allow them access to the money until they graduate or go pro? That way, no violation because no pay to play. Just giving conditional gifts that don't accrue until after they are subject to NCAA rules. For example, we put $500,000 in a fund for 2021 QB1 5* to be cashed upon graduation or turning pro. Could file a lawsuit for a declaratory judgment in federal court in Miami against the NCAA as fans/alums (or even better the Hurricane Club does it and manages the funds) and get a decision on whether it would be permissible.

 

[PanamaCityCanes]

I didn't say no rules did I? I don't think either extreme is right. They have to find a balance or asst least try.

It's a joke that Jarren Williams can't have an autograph session and charge for it but that clown Nick Satan is on my tv making millions from an state commercial and getting his mansion paid for by the University. You don't think Tua and Jeudy are part of the reason he's able to make so much money? Why can't they make a little extra on the side. Are students on academic scholarship not allowed to work?

Jarren Williams represents the .0005% of college athletes that anyone has ever heard of. The changes you people are proposing would affect college sports across the board.

 

[Miami[]_[]Smoke]

Doesn’t matter if they do or don’t. There’s the opportunity for these kids to make some money.

Will people show up for an autograph session? Maybe. I’m much more confident tho that maroone Ford would get the OL together for a commercial for F150s or something.

It’d be cheap from the advertisers perspective... plus, they already have commercials on during games. Having players involved would be a no brainer.

It would be about as cool as getting those logo-less baseball or football cards in your Wheaties box when you were a kid because I guarantee the school wont let those kids wear their jerseys or colors in those commercials. Thats the catch, and it will always be there

 

[Chard]

You're the one who sounds like they got your talking points from The Party. Those are questions the market literally answers everywhere else just fine. It boggles my mind that college sports is somehow some crazy exception that we need the guiding hand of the NCAA to run for us otherwise chaos and inequality will rip apart the fabric of our fragile society.

Those were legitimate questions. All of which you didn't bother to attempt an answer. If you did, you'd begin to realize the idea of paying players is full of holes. The free market would put East Valley U out of business while further enriching the McAlabamas of college football.

Wtf are you talking about "rip apart our society?" No one said that. We're talking about the NCAA and paying players. Try to keep the scope of the discussion to just that. This isn't the free market. That's my point! If this becomes the free market where amateur athletes are going to play for the highest bidder, kiss what we have goodbye! UM just lost a lineman to the portal.

I'm all for adjusting some of the ridiculous rules and corruption of the NCAA but a blanket "pay them" won't do anything but create more problems.

LOL. NCAA: Corrupt, but fair. You should print that on a T shirt and wear it around so everyone knows what a dip **** you are.

Now you're putting words in my mouth. I didn't say the NCAA was fair. Far from it. The situation though, according to how things work now IS. Since you decided to make it personal, kindly geaux ***** yosef. Try to be more useful that a prepuce when posting. Put that on a t shirt, beotch.

 

[mackjones]

The players are getting paid. Tax free bags yo.

Say it ain't so.

 

[TheOldU2002]

I didn't say no rules did I? I don't think either extreme is right. They have to find a balance or asst least try.

It's a joke that Jarren Williams can't have an autograph session and charge for it but that clown Nick Satan is on my tv making millions from an state commercial and getting his mansion paid for by the University. You don't think Tua and Jeudy are part of the reason he's able to make so much money? Why can't they make a little extra on the side. Are students on academic scholarship not allowed to work?

This is the crux of it but your solution is wrong.

The real answer is a salary cap, just like the NFL has on teams, the NCAA should have on coaching staffs, recruiting expenses, etc.

The payers should receive stipends for out of school life, paid for by the vast savings the universities make by forcing a salary cap so nick sabans 10 million dollar coaching staff doesnt exist.

 

[kyle_schick]

Money ruins things. All the big money and individual spotlight turns the players into selfish fools.


But everyone wants to add that to college football. The NFL money is the incentive. It's the final goal that all these college kids work so hard for. Remove that from the equation and college football turns into the boring NFL.

 

[Chard]

Forced hasn’t negating anything except the idea that straw men won’t be built in this thread.

I'm sorry but that makes no sense. There was no straw man in what I posted.

“Second-Class students, explain?” If you do not realize that there are restrictions placed upon scholarship athletes (and non scholarship athletes) that do not apply to the student body as a whole or even students who have NON-ATHLETIC scholarships then there’s no reason to discuss this. In short: non-athletic scholarship > athletic scholarship.

Of course I realize there are restrictions. So do please discuss this. Comparing non-athletic scholarships to athletic scholarships isn't a very good argument for paying athletes. Your characterization of scholarship athletes as second-class is flawed in my opinion and very far from the truth.

If your only response is to call me stupid over and over again as you've done to other posters in this thread, then don't bother. The only positing asinine responses throughout this thread has been you. I think there could be a reasoned discussion here without lowering yourself to that level.