The Foreclosure (7/12)

No. Mario was brought here to recruit. He’s supposed to recruit at a high level with the NIL he has. But he’s also supposed to evaluate, develop and coach. He’s not top 15 in those things, not even close as to coaching.
Yes he was brought in to recruit, we have a top 5 NIL by all accounts and with us sucking we are recruiting in the 5-10 range regularly but recruiting should be better than it is and i think that was the expectation. I agree he is not a top 15 coach.
But are you really going to say he hasnt recruited or developed at a top 15 level? Come on... I also include portal recruits. The portal isnt going anywhere and is a thing. For every Jaden Wayne "miss" he takes criticism at the HS level for he should get credit for a Cam Ward or Barrow "hit"

I think if you average the recruiting with the development and the coaching it likely ends somewhere right around 15. Otherwise name 15 coaches that are better at all of those things. Even when you say evaluation, I agree we have lost some higher ranked recruits to the portal and in a vacuum it seems worse than it is but compare it to other schools and I think we would be right there. Essentially pick who you think is a great evaluator and I bet the resume doesnt look that much better than Mario.
 
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Yes he was brought in to recruit, we have a top 5 NIL by all accounts and with us sucking we are recruiting in the 5-10 range regularly but recruiting should be better than it is and i think that was the expectation. I agree he is not a top 15 coach.
But are you really going to say he hasnt recruited or developed at a top 15 level? Come on... I also include portal recruits. The portal isnt going anywhere and is a thing. For every Jaden Wayne "miss" he takes criticism at the HS level for he should get credit for a Cam Ward or Barrow "hit"

I think if you average the recruiting with the development and the coaching it likely ends somewhere right around 15. Otherwise name 15 coaches that are better at all of those things. Even when you say evaluation, I agree we have lost some higher ranked recruits to the portal and in a vacuum it seems worse than it is but compare it to other schools and I think we would be right there. Essentially pick who you think is a great evaluator and I bet the resume doesnt look that much better than Mario.
I absolutely think he’s recruited at a top 15 level - top 10 id say. I absolutely do not think he’s developed at a top 15 level, no. I do not think he’s a top 15 coach….or top 20. And as an X and O’s guy he’s not top 40.

And I put more value on coaching ability than recruiting. manny was a top 15-20 recruiter at miami for three years.
 
No. Mario was brought here to recruit. He’s supposed to recruit at a high level with the NIL he has. But he’s also supposed to evaluate, develop and coach. He’s not top 15 in those things, not even close as to coaching.
Agree with not being top 15 in gameday coaching and developing but its a stretch not calling him a top 15 recruiter nationally as a head coach. Top of my head I can only clearly put maybe 5 or 6 HC's above him as a pure recruiter.
 
Agree with not being top 15 in gameday coaching and developing but its a stretch not calling him a top 15 recruiter nationally as a head coach. Top of my head I can only clearly put maybe 5 or 6 HC's above him as a pure recruiter.
I didn’t say he wasn’t a top 15 recruiter. I posted in here that I think he’s a top 10 recruiter.
 
I absolutely think he’s recruited at a top 15 level - top 10 id say. I absolutely do not think he’s developed at a top 15 level, no. I do not think he’s a top 15 coach….or top 20. And as an X and O’s guy he’s not top 40.

And I put more value on coaching ability than recruiting. manny was a top 15-20 recruiter at miami for three years.
I agree with 90% of this. Perhaps not developed, like I said I cannot state 15 other "better" developers.
 
He’s smoking crack.
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I agree with 90% of this. Perhaps not developed, like I said I cannot state 15 other "better" developers.
What has he developed that screams Top 15 at it? In all his years as a Head Coach he’s had 1 OL go in the first round in Sewell and then I think it’s 4th rounders and back. That’ll improve when Francis goes to the nfl. I don’t know, I think he’s a very good recruiter and a hard worker who cares and tries.
 
What has he developed that screams Top 15 at it? In all his years as a Head Coach he’s had 1 OL go in the first round in Sewell and then I think it’s 4th rounders and back. That’ll improve when Francis goes to the nfl. I don’t know, I think he’s a very good recruiter and a hard worker who cares and tries.
Unimpeachable Mario/Mirabal 2023 class:

Francis: freak. Thank god
Samson: 5 star flop so far
Tripp: who?
Kinsler: shrug
Tinilau: ran over a GT fan

2022 clearly good will there but cmon with this idea that he should never be questioned especially when our OL is where we spend a ton of money and resources
 
Unimpeachable Mario/Mirabal 2023 class:

Francis: freak. Thank god
Samson: 5 star flop so far
Tripp: who?
Kinsler: shrug
Tinilau: ran over a GT fan

2022 clearly good will there but cmon with this idea that he should never be questioned especially when our OL is where we spend a ton of money and resources

ya know, I brought into question Mario's OL recruiting a while back and folks went nuts. I think it's valid as the hit rate is not as good as one might have expected. Last year's recruiting class will go a long way to prove the haters wrong b/c Mario signed a bunch of projects.
 
ya know, I brought into question Mario's OL recruiting a while back and folks went nuts. I think it's valid as the hit rate is not as good as one might have expected. Last year's recruiting class will go a long way to prove the haters wrong b/c Mario signed a bunch of projects.
I’m glad we will never go back to the days when Manny was here. OL is Mario’s baby and we will spend the money to make sure it’s good. And clearly they are good coaches and recruiters

But I just kinda shrug at the idea that you can’t question them
 
What has he developed that screams Top 15 at it? In all his years as a Head Coach he’s had 1 OL go in the first round in Sewell and then I think it’s 4th rounders and back. That’ll improve when Francis goes to the nfl. I don’t know, I think he’s a very good recruiter and a hard worker who cares and tries.
I guess maybe we look at it differently. Are you looking at development as an OL coach only? I tend to agree with that because I severely doubt the direct impact Mario would have in developing a LB or CB, aside from hiring the right guys to develop them but for our purposes I was candidly talking about him as a global CEO of the team so that could be the disconnect.

I take him as the HC so he gets the benefit and the criticism for all the players. Ward obviously got better here, Cooper is the easy low hanging fruit of a good eval and development. Arroyo went in the second round, Rivers was floundering and he got drafted. I was not considering his time at oregon for this discussion as that would include the championships etc. or limiting it to OL because if we do that why stop there? When he was at Bama he recruited and developed/coached Cam Robinson, Jonah Williams, Alex Leatherwood, and Ryan Kelly. I think Kelly and Sewell were with him all 3 years as their direct position coach and all went in 1st/2nd rounds. I know a lot of those are Bama players but would you give that development credit to Saban who is a known DB guy? And if you do give it to Saban then Mario would get the development credit for Justin Herbert and Kayvon, all top 10 picks including Sewell. I dont think any other head coach has had 3 players drafted top 10 in 2 consecutive years (maybe Saban or like Bear Bryant back in the day) Mario was at Oregon from 2018-2021 I believe so a lot of his guys were just starting to turn draft eligible. Same here now.

Since this is his 4th year hard to gauge a lot of development as his classes are just now starting to turn into NFL prospects. Then I just fall back on name 15 HC who are better "developers" and I think top 5 would be relatively easy. 6-15 gets reallllll murky and all resumes will have holes and will at least be comparable to Mario. If I cant name 15 people better, I cant say he aint in the top 15 lol
 
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I’m glad we will never go back to the days when Manny was here. OL is Mario’s baby and we will spend the money to make sure it’s good. And clearly they are good coaches and recruiters

But I just kinda shrug at the idea that you can’t question them

You gotta be a special kind of moron to watch what we've watched for 3 years, and watched Mario at Oregon, and just have absolutely ZERO hesitation that this won't turn out perfectly.

I thought Mario was the best man for the job by miles 3 years ago, and I'm still firmly in that corner. But even as much as the team has improved in 3 years, and make no mistake, it absolutely has, for someone to give total carte blanche to a coach who has, as of yet, not won anything of significance, is a level of slurper that should be scientically studied.

At the end of the day, the only job of the football coach is to win football games. That's literally it. There are obviously a billion things that go into winning and losing, but you are judged on your ability to win football games as a football coach. So we're all on here everyday talking every nuance of the program, but at the end of the day, the only thing to truly discuss about Mario when the rubber meets the road are the 3 seasons worth of Saturdays he's compiled here. Not at Oregon, we don't care about that anymore. Here.

Year 1 was an unmitigated disaster, OK. I don't judge a coach after a season, good or bad. If you'd have been sucked into a black hole after Year 1 of tenures you'd think Larry Coker was Vince Lombardi and Nick Saban was Mark Onofrio.

Year 2 was better, by a decent margin. But that pesky forgot take a knee thing he'll never live down. Oops. So the confidence level is still high, but has to take a little ding. Only winning 7 in year 2 ain't great, but we're building, right?

Year 3 was better, by again another decent margin. Now 10 games. Best season in a very long time. That's not insignificant. There's real, tangible progress there. But we still had a 21-0 lead in a game that puts us into the playoff, bar none, and the defense was so ******* pathetic, we blew it. That's on Mario, because winning and losing football games here is all that matters. He's the coach. So while the confidence level has to remain high, because we have progressed significantly, you simply cannot say the man shouldn't even be questioned because, through 3 years, he ain't won a ******* thing. Yet.

I'm so happy we get actual ball in a couple weeks. Last year was the most important year we've had in over a decade. Well guess what you acquire when you have a modicum of success? More pressure. Some narratives were squashed last year, some were not. You got another shot at it now, with what many are saying is as talented a roster as this program has seen in some time. Go win something significant. Double-digit games. Charlotte. The playoffs. It's time.
 
This is the perfect response, because its choosing lloyd to represent yourself in this statement lol. Can't say I don't see the similarity for sure in you/anyone who can't admit the very basic truth that Mario isn't paid $10M or a top 15 paid coach in the country...
 
Unimpeachable Mario/Mirabal 2023 class:

Francis: freak. Thank god
Samson: 5 star flop so far
Tripp: who?
Kinsler: shrug
Tinilau: ran over a GT fan

2022 clearly good will there but cmon with this idea that he should never be questioned especially when our OL is where we spend a ton of money and resources
Frankie running over that GT frat boy cuck was cinema though
 
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