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The Fair Pay to Play Act is a disaster

DTP said:
The population of Tuscaloosa is just over 100,000. Of which, almost 40,000 is Alabama students. The population for all of Tuscaloosa county is just over 200,000. Your opportunities to expand your brand are always going to be limited there. I mean, is the one car dealership in town going to be cutting checks to every single player? On top of the bags they're already dropping?

By comparison, the population of the city of Miami is roughly 465,000. Dade county has 2.75 million residents. Metro Miami, which is Dade, Broward, Palm Beach and Monroe counties is over 6 million. That's 2 million more than the ENTIRE state of Alabama. There's way more people here and way more businesses here. Whatever it may lack in die hards, it makes up for in sheer numbers. You're talking about significantly more opportunity.

The big winners here would probably be the southern California schools and the larger, metro area Texas schools. City schools like Miami and Washington would also be net positives.

On the flip side, it could be a death knell for rural schools who don't drop bags like the Iowas and Kansas States of the world.
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Alabama's fan base runs muuuuuuuch farther than Tuscaloosa County. And there are more people in that area who care about Alabama than there are people in Miami-Dade who care about UM.
 
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So while the ncaa and these schools rake in millions upon millions off of these kids that's okay? What about the UCF kicker who got ruled ineligible because of his YouTube channel being pretty popular? Pay the **** kids man.
 
PanamaCityCanes said:
But in Miami, where people barely even know there is a game being played this weekend? Even back in the day, I don't see how a business is going to make money back just by having Clinton Portis in a commercial.
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Don't underestimate the fan base. Miami is full of fair weather fans but nobody will spend $$$ to jump on a bandwagon like Miami either. The potential is significantly higher.
 
Not sure why some of you guys can't just admit that you think paying players is right but that in doing so it might/will have some/many negative effects on college sports.

Reminds me a little of the pro-legalize it marijuana frauds. Always trying to sell that it's a medical miracle or that there are NO negative effects to it instead of just making the honest argument that adults should be allowed to decide what to put into their own bodies- especially when it's no more dangerous than alcohol.
 
Canes Device said:
My question is, would the opportunities to sell their image equal the amount that the top bag getters collect nowadays? I think your rational is fair, just don't know if the interest is there, especially if the team is not a staple of the city.

I don't know if impact the impact on rural schools would be that much, they already recruit from a disadvantageous position.
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Probably not, as the top bag getters are reportedly getting well into six figures. Still, the opportunity to make some money is still better than no opportunity at all. I'm not saying that this rule would make every 5 star player change their minds and go to Miami. Just that there would be some opportunity here that they don't have right now. The bag schools are already spending huge amounts, it's not like they've been holding back, waiting for a new rule to pass to start blowing their wads. Bag kids are getting their already. At least now kids that aren't being offered huge bag payments have a legit choice.
 
Nobody is going to pay “Random 4-star linebacker” for a speaking fee in an effort to make a sound business decision.

But there are people who will pay him in a legal effort to have him playing for their program.

It’s that simple. This legalizes the bag game. The benefits are to the programs that don’t have a bag game. Difficult to really say who those are given how pervasive cheating likely is in major college football.
 
Tad Footeball said:
Not sure why some of you guys can't just admit that you think paying players is right but that in doing so it might/will have some/many negative effects on college sports.

Reminds me a little of the pro-legalize it marijuana frauds. Always trying to sell that it's a medical miracle or that there are NO negative effects to it instead of just making the honest argument that adults should be allowed to decide what to put into their own bodies- especially when it's no more dangerous than alcohol.
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It's definitely a tricky issue. I think most people see it as the fair thing to do for those top-shelf players who will be able to cash in on their own likeness, and that's definitely compelling... But you also have to think about the 99% of college athletes whose likenesses nobody gives a sh*t about and who would never see an extra dime. Those kids are going to be hurt in the long run if their school can't afford to run the soccer or field hockey or volleyball program anymore and they lose their opportunity to play college sports. Not saying that's necessarily going to happen, but it seems like a real possibility if we open up the floodgates without smart comprehensive regulation (which we already know the NCAA is incapable of enforcing).
 
CaneFanWNY said:
So while the ncaa and these schools rake in millions upon millions off of these kids that's okay? What about the UCF kicker who got ruled ineligible because of his YouTube channel being pretty popular? Pay the **** kids man.
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You’re avatar fits you perfectly. The kids get paid with a free education they’d otherwise have to get loans for in the thousands, free meals, and free housing. Additionally thousands of dollars they are not required to pay. Not to mention all the doors and connections that get opened for them going to these schools. Players come and go after a few years. The schools are the platform and why the fans a$$es are in the seats. Should we start paying high school players as well since money is made from their performance as well.
 
Cane_Mutiny said:
It's definitely a tricky issue. I think most people see it as the fair thing to do for those top-shelf players who will be able to cash in on their own likeness, and that's definitely compelling... But you also have to think about the 99% of college athletes whose likenesses nobody gives a sh*t about and who would never see an extra dime. Those kids are going to be hurt in the long run if their school can't afford to run the soccer or field hockey or volleyball program anymore and they lose their opportunity to play college sports. Not saying that's necessarily going to happen, but it seems like a real possibility if we open up the floodgates without smart comprehensive regulation (which we already know the NCAA is incapable of enforcing).
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Exactly and therein lies the problem. I don't see an intelligent middle ground being reached between those advocating for unfettered capitalism in "amateur" sports and a beyond inept/corrupt governing body in the NCAA. Compound it with individual states now taking different legislative measures and it's a giant mess.

This is why Emmert needs to go asap and be replaced by someone 1000x more intelligent and more willing to be representative of ALL Power 5 conferences and be more in tune with ALL college presidents/ADs instead of just whatever good ol' boy is commissioner of the SEC.
 
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DTP said:
Don't underestimate the fan base. Miami is full of fair weather fans but nobody will spend $$$ to jump on a bandwagon like Miami either. The potential is significantly higher.
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Really? When have Miami fans ever spent money to jump on the bandwagon?
 
CaneFanWNY said:
So while the ncaa and these schools rake in millions upon millions off of these kids that's okay? What about the UCF kicker who got ruled ineligible because of his YouTube channel being pretty popular? Pay the **** kids man.
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"Pay them" is the lazy argument from 1985. Most people realize that it's a lot more complicated than that.
 
filmcane said:
I know these designations have changed, but my point is, if this just becomes moneybag, it'll no longer be about the area, the school's football tradition, etc. It will simply become about which fanbase has the capacity to pay more money to these kids.
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Exactly right, and unlike business in general, sports requires competition to survive. Sports can’t survive (or at least not thrive) when there is a great financial disparity. Get ready for 5-10 schools with the craziest boosters to rule college football because they will OPENLY buy the best recruits. And whereas it happens now, it will be bigger, much bigger, than today.
 
PanamaCityCanes said:
Really? When have Miami fans ever spent money to jump on the bandwagon?
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You must have missed the 4 years when Lebron James was playing in Miami. Tickets were selling for double and triple face value, they sold out every game, merchandise sales were through the roof. If you don't think Miami will throw money at a winner, you've never been to Miami. You don't remember the hype surrounding the Hurricanes and the whole turnover chain in 2017? The turnover chain t-shirt was Adidas best seller of all time.
 
Ash Joshi said:
Exactly right, and unlike business in general, sports requires competition to survive. Sports can’t survive (or at least not thrive) when there is a great financial disparity. Get ready for 5-10 schools with the craziest boosters to rule college football because they will OPENLY buy the best recruits. And whereas it happens now, it will be bigger, much bigger, than today.
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Wait, you're saying that there's only going to be a handful of schools good enough to play for the championship and those schools will be paying a whole lot of money for their players??? Holy **** that's totally not exactly what's going on right now.
 
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Tad Footeball said:
Exactly and therein lies the problem. I don't see an intelligent middle ground being reached between those advocating for unfettered capitalism in "amateur" sports and a beyond inept/corrupt governing body in the NCAA. Compound it with individual states now taking different legislative measures and it's a giant mess.

This is why Emmert needs to go asap and be replaced by someone 1000x more intelligent and more willing to be representative of ALL Power 5 conferences and be more in tune with ALL college presidents/ADs instead of just whatever good ol' boy is commissioner of the SEC.
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The Ncaa will be gone soon enough
 
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