The Fair Pay to Play Act is a disaster

[kryptonite]

Miami’s market has a greater top than any Alabama, Clemson or other school in the top five. If you're a brand in Miami, you’re a national brand. Don’t believe for a minute, that a Tua image is worth more than a Quarterback at the []_[] if we’re winning. We’re like the Raiders... a brand that lives in infamy. Outside of USC “maybe” we’re the biggest national “brand” in college football. I know everyone’s concerned with fanbase, but ask anyone that’s not a fan of Ohio State anything about them, and you’ll get blank stares. Now ask that same person about the Miami Hurricanes and boom... they have feelings.

But it's the fans that buy stuff and Miami doesn't have that many. You're confusing brand recognition with income. Everybody knows Miami, but you don't see people at the games or wearing the gear outside Miami. But man I see OSU/PSU/bama/Clemson stuff everywhere.

Bottom line, if your school doesn't have a ton of fans there isn't a ton of money to pay players.

 

[Garnacho]

After looking at the law more I dont see how it complies with NCAA v Miller, and I think it is a pretty clear Commerce Clause violation.

The law essentially forces the NCAA to adopt the rules of CA for every state. And if more states pass laws that are similar but with different language, then the NCAA could argue there is no possible way for them to comply with conflicting rules. The NCAA won Miller, where Nevada tried to force the NCAA to comply with its law, so I think they'd have a pretty good case here.

Not seeing it the same as you. NCAA v Miller basically said when someone was accused of infraction, they were protected by state of Nevada. It was extremely short-sided (and 30 years ago)

This is really putting the NCAA in its place as a regulating body not law maker. Governments make laws in this country. It’s the NCAA’s responsibility to respect the laws of the states where these PUBLIC institutions are located.

And yes, NCAA can gtfo of Cali and Florida but I will call their bluff.

 

[Boarcane]

But it's the fans that buy stuff and Miami doesn't have that many. You're confusing brand recognition with income. Everybody knows Miami, but you don't see people at the games or wearing the gear outside Miami. But man I see OSU/PSU/bama/Clemson stuff everywhere.

Bottom line, if your school doesn't have a ton of fans there isn't a ton of money to pay players.

When we were rolling, you couldn’t walk a mall in America without seeing someone sporting a Canes shirt.

 

[BoxingRobes]

While we will not be able to pay players for an adequate wage like Alabama could...the Miami metro area offers a ton of opportunities to make money outside of football.

If a player can use their likeness to make money...you can go help Uncle Jeremiah sell those used Toyotas in Birmingham, Alabama...or you can get a deal with Tissot and have your ******* mug tattooed to the side of American Airlines Arena. idk...maybe WE as fans of a program in destitute should support the idea of these jabronis making money anyway they can.

Then maybe they can stay and #MakeTheCribGreat because #TheCribMakesThemGreat.

you feel me?

 

[TheRichtShow]

Not seeing it the same as you. NCAA v Miller basically said when someone was accused of infraction, they were protected by state of Nevada. It was extremely short-sided (and 30 years ago)

This is really putting the NCAA in its place as a regulating body not law maker. Governments make laws in this country. It’s the NCAA’s responsibility to respect the laws of the states where these PUBLIC institutions are located.

And yes, NCAA can gtfo of Cali and Florida but I will call their bluff.

This bill goes beyond public institutions, it applies to private ones as well. And I see a clear dormant commerce clause violation. States can't pass laws that regulate the economy in ways that significantly impact the economies of other states. This law would clearly affect the economies of almost every other state. That is the domain of the federal government.

And this is the holding of Miller:

"in order to apply equal rules across the 50 states, the NCAA would be required to adopt the rules of Nevada for every state. “The practical requirement that the NCAA would have to use the Statute in enforcement proceedings in every state in the union,” Judge Fernandez reasoned, “runs afoul of the Commerce Clause.” Indeed, Nevada’s statute would “directly control commerce occurring wholly outside the boundaries of the state.”

The same thing applies here, the CA statute would be controlling commerce outside of CA. If the NCAA has good lawyers that focus on this law as a violation of what a state can do to regulate interstate commerce, I think they'd have a winning argumeny

 

[kryptonite]

When we were rolling, you couldn’t walk a mall in America without seeing someone sporting a Canes shirt.

True, but that was then. We aren't faring so well in today's football landscape so that's what I'm going by. I don't think it makes much sense to plan for the future based on the distant past.

 

[Garnacho]

This bill goes beyond public institutions, it applies to private ones as well. And I see a clear dormant commerce clause violation. States can't pass laws that regulate the economy in ways that significantly impact the economies of other states. This law would clearly affect the economies of almost every other state. That is the domain of the federal government.

And this is the holding of Miller:

"in order to apply equal rules across the 50 states, the NCAA would be required to adopt the rules of Nevada for every state. “The practical requirement that the NCAA would have to use the Statute in enforcement proceedings in every state in the union,” Judge Fernandez reasoned, “runs afoul of the Commerce Clause.” Indeed, Nevada’s statute would “directly control commerce occurring wholly outside the boundaries of the state.”

The same thing applies here, the CA statute would be controlling commerce outside of CA. If the NCAA has good lawyers that focus on this law as a violation of what a state can do to regulate interstate commerce, I think they'd have a winning argumeny

Are pundits really bringing up NCAA v Miller or is that just you? If it’s you, I respect the reference. I’m just seeing this in a completely different way. I agree that the Nevada law was unconstitutional but I don’t think playing the burden to interstate commerce strategy would work in this situation (mainly because I didn’t think it was a great argument then) but also because multiple states are already penning similar legislation.

When I take a step back I see a state willing to fight for grown adult citizens who are not able to make money off of their own likeness. I don’t see how a non-profit agency whose main purpose is rules-making for amateur sports, can be the law here.

The NCAA has changed a lot since 1993. They are no longer an innocent non-profit just trying to make some rules about dancing in the end zone. They have fundamental issues and have tampered with federal investigations multiple times. We also have multiple federal investigations that have revealed the lucrative amounts of money recruits were being paid.

 

[Empirical Cane]

Mark Cuban thinks the NCAA will 'implode' if this happens

Dallas Mavericks owner and billionaire investor Mark Cuban is worried about the idea of paying NCAA athletes.

www.foxbusiness.com

 

[Ethnicsands]

This bill goes beyond public institutions, it applies to private ones as well. And I see a clear dormant commerce clause violation. States can't pass laws that regulate the economy in ways that significantly impact the economies of other states. This law would clearly affect the economies of almost every other state. That is the domain of the federal government.

And this is the holding of Miller:

"in order to apply equal rules across the 50 states, the NCAA would be required to adopt the rules of Nevada for every state. “The practical requirement that the NCAA would have to use the Statute in enforcement proceedings in every state in the union,” Judge Fernandez reasoned, “runs afoul of the Commerce Clause.” Indeed, Nevada’s statute would “directly control commerce occurring wholly outside the boundaries of the state.”

The same thing applies here, the CA statute would be controlling commerce outside of CA. If the NCAA has good lawyers that focus on this law as a violation of what a state can do to regulate interstate commerce, I think they'd have a winning argumeny

Your post illustrates the absurdity of the ‘dormant commerce clause.’

The reality is that the NCAA is an illegal anticompetitive conspiracy, and only outrageous hypocrisy allows it to operate as it does.

 

[TemplarCane]

Players are already getting paid. If the payments come to light, the only one punished significantly is the player. Nothing happens to boosters, and universities receive a slap on the wrist. At least with this law, the players will no longer be penalized for something that is the new norm.

Yes and no. In some states it is a felony to engage in activities that cause a student-athlete to lose eligibility. Florida, for one. This was to prevent players from signing early with agents.

 

[Ethnicsands]

Yes and no. In some states it is a felony to engage in activities that cause a student-athlete to lose eligibility. Florida, for one. This was to prevent players from signing early with agents.

Those laws are a joke. They sure dont apply them to boosters.

 

[pacusmc]

This is the fault of the NCAA PERIOD!
NCAA kept protecting all the good ole boy programs and slamming anyone who dared play their game.
The west coast schools and Miami watching Emmett’s boys buy all those kids and then slamming us and even taking a ****le from USC.
While schools get away with rape murder and failed drug tests and even court documents detailing payments and nothing gets done.
This is a retaliatory concept by the states who keep getting complaints from fans, high schools,
Parents, and anyone who has tried to voice an opinion on the corrupt state of college football.
Florida jumped on board as other states will as a direct challenge to the NCAA and the lack of policing or at least telling other schools like bama and uga to chill the fck out and stop making sht obvious.

 

[NE Canes]

While we will not be able to pay players for an adequate wage like Alabama could...the Miami metro area offers a ton of opportunities to make money outside of football.

If a player can use their likeness to make money...you can go help Uncle Jeremiah sell those used Toyotas in Birmingham, Alabama...or you can get a deal with Tissot and have your ******* mug tattooed to the side of American Airlines Arena. idk...maybe WE as fans of a program in destitute should support the idea of these jabronis making money anyway they can.

Then maybe they can stay and #MakeTheCribGreat because #TheCribMakesThemGreat.

you feel me?

But no kid is going to come to Miami on a chance to build a brand while other schools are handing him the cash already.

And no kid is going to try and build a brand in Miami while Miami sucks.

In 2001 I would agree with you but not today. This changes nothing for Miami.

 

[CanesWooshWoosh]

Lol grown men are mad about people getting paid their market value.

None of you are worth your salaries, your company can replace you easily. Your skills aren’t special. You should work for free, and just be happy you have the opportunity to gain the experience.

 

[SayWhat]

Can't Miami see some silver lining here ?? I mean being one of the cultural and entertainment meccas in the country, wouldn't he rather have his face and name married to something hip and sophisticated in Miami rather then have his face plastered all over Jo Don's car and bike emporium in Tuskkkaloosa ???

Cultural mecca. Okay, so what?

I'll tell you what, that won't matter. The big powerhouse programs are currently those same schools you try and downplay with your nonsense.

They have the biggest alumni bases which equates to the most fans. Fans that actually have a connection to the school because they went there. They are tyoically generational fans, meaning grandparents on down.

They also sit atop the most profitable programs in the entire country. They dominate us and our small alumni base in profitability.

They aren't some regional thing or even some city thing. They've spread across the land. Thr NFL has teams all across the country. Large market media cities don't dominate the landscape. If it was just about population, aka media market, NYC, LA, Chicago, etc Would be winning yearly.

Those generational big schools in small television markets aren't going anywhere. They aren't going to be outdone by some city slickers, ain't happening. Cultural diversity and mecca be damned, football is their Saturday event, no contest in that. People always say how there is too much to do to bother going to see our Canes at noon against team x, y, and z. Now all of a sudden that's going to change?

Players at those big schools are gods. Here, even the best players are just small fish is a big pond. The stars are real stars from television, movies, sports, loaded people with money, models everyone knows, etc. Using a players likeness or whatever, that's not going to change a thing.

Silly, just too silly.

 

[Tit-e-skr]

These types of situations will be few and far between for UM players. They are located in an area that has several professional sports teams. This won’t benefit UM players much at all.

And an even bigger issue, Miami still has sht coaches who won’t win big here. The trickle down won’t trickle down.

The players who this will be best suited for will be schools located in non NFL areas or areas with no professional sports teams.

 

[ElJefe3]

Yep, only the uninformed dont see this. Miami football is completely done if this law becomes how it's going to be. We can't compete financially as it is, this opens the booster floodgates to unimagineable levels.

And sure, let players be compensated for the name/likeness/image. Have the NCAA buy those rights from players in exchange for salaries across the board. The NFL, NBA, MLB, etc all do this to some extent, it's why players can't be in uniform unless its an official league commercial.

Let players get compensated in a way that doesn't destroy the collegiate athletic system, and not just make it another minor league

Hmm...seems to me like we were competing ($) just fine when Shapiro was sliming it up down here. If only we had good coaching to put all that talent to good use

 

[GojiraCane]

Jerseys won't be selling like that until kids prove it on the field. You guys are crazy if you think Mike is going to selling jerseys of true freshman who haven't done **** on even the college level.

Even if it does happen the way you say, what's the difference between what's going on now with every 5 star kid going to Bama, Clemson and UGA?

No, what could easily happen is that the school has 10K very inexpensive jerseys made, and a booster then comes in and buys them. Repeat and rinse for each 5 and 4 star player.

 

[GojiraCane]

Yeah and the transfer market is already becoming a joke. I know we benefited from it this time (mostly), but now you have all these kids who think they deserve to play right now and are constantly transferring around.

Side note: Professional sports teams have salary caps and you still have the same teams winning every year. (Patriots, Golden State, etc) Think about what you're asking for.

Only the NBA. The Patriots are an anomaly...otherwise the NFL has pretty decent churn in its champions. NBA is the complete opposite, and the closest to current CFB.

 

[TheMatador]

There will be so many new ways to buy H.S. athletes now, it's not even funny. They are ruining the game. If the NCAA wants to give the players a hourly wage, that is the same across the board for every school, then that is fine, but giving them the ability to sell their likeness and such will result in there being even fewer Haves and many more have nots as far as teams are concerned.

Heck, Harvard has the largest endowment, they oughta petition to become D1, buy all the best athletes through "legal means" and wipe the floor with BAMA, CLEMSON, the *'s, etc.

Can you see those frail weenie professors at Harvard teaching 290 and 320 lb. behemoths with grills? ******* art history professors freaking out when the new kids get on campus?