The Calm After The Storm

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At the beginning of this season I said 9 and 3 with losses to ATM, Clemson and one other. As of right now I still feel that way. We are good enough to win out, but we more than likely have a head scratcher where we make mistakes that cost us a game as we saw vs ATM.
 
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OK, my friends. Breaking News:

We lost.

Who would’ve known that a team who barely went 7-5 last yr, w/ a QB who really had only one real target that’s no longer here, would lose a game on the road in a hostile environment to a SEC team? I get the anger; there’s plenty of blame to go around this game:

-From The Coaching Staff: clock mgmt was atrocious, and play calls in the green zone (commonly referred to as red zone) was head scratching

-From The Players: The Special Teams unit was god awful, & it literally cost us the game. Poor tackling on a couple of drives led to A&M close to putting a final nail in the coffin. Those pesky drops that was reported in camp? Yeah, they came out at night, like The Freaks; and while the OL did well throughout the game, costly penalties took steam out the boat on several occasions.

Those are the facts; but, there appears to be another fact some refuse to accept. It’s a fact I stated on @LeedsCane podcast, it’s a fact that I created a thread on. The fact is, this team is good, but it’s not great. This team, this culture that has been riddled with bad evals, fit pieces, and an overall lack of winning is still here. Yet, some convinced themselves that just b/c a new staff w/ some hot names came on board, that would change this culture in one year; how?

I tried to tell u guys numerous of times stop comparing us to SC, why? B/c SC is the only game in town; they are So Cal’s team. SC have won a Nat’l title in the past 18 yrs, we haven’t. SC have won their conference several times in the past 18 yrs, we haven’t. SC have won multiple NY6 bowls in the past 18 yrs, we haven’t. Friends, let me be clear, & I need u all to truly understand this: The chit that’s talked about other schools, they’ve all faired better than us in the last 18 yrs.

Here’s the silver lining; a change have been seen:

-The OL is playing way better than we’ve seen in some time.

-Our RB room, while not 2001 worthy, has 3 guys who can get theirs w/ 2 of those RBs who are small in stature, but big in heart & effort

-Our defense, while filled w/ some holes, have been holding us down while the offense have been trying to find its sea legs.

We were in this game until the clock struck zero. There are no moral victories; the fact is, we did lose to a bad 8&4 team, and we can blame ourselves on several things, but that’s the point. As long as I can remember, this Miami Hurricanes team have shot themselves in the foot, & it’s from little things that snowball in to bigger issues. That’s culture, folks. That’s what u can’t account for on paper. Mario has been transparent this entire time, yet the reason you feel this vitriol is b/c despite what u saw from The Spring Game, despite what Mario continue to say, u saw us beat up on BCU & come out & smoke So. Miss in the 2nd Half. That stubborn 15-0 mentality crept in & now u’re disappointed faced w/ reality. That’s shame on u, not on them.

Listen, I’m not always right, but my post history shows I’m more right than wrong. I don’t get emotionally caught as most fanatics, I try to base things on facts (hence, y I provide current & historical stats/records, etc.) The fact is, TVD is missing his #1 target, Rambo. Our WR room is filled w/ 3rd down, chain movers, not play/difference makers that can stretch the field or game plan around. The defense has “some guys”, but that too is lacking play makers throughout.

We’ll win next week, against another poor G5 team, and I promise, we’ll see the 14-1 crowd rear it’s head, but when I said I see this team as an 8 win regular season team, I didn’t look at names on the roster, I looked at a change in culture. I looked at an offense that want to be ran v. personnel to run it.

If u’re calling for Gattis’ or Mario’s head after one defeat, that’s b/c u drank the Kool Aid as opposed to being reasonable in realizing that 80% of a roster that scraped by to go 7-5 is still here, while a big part of that production on O is gone. R-E-L-A-X; this is not a 1yr turn around; it’s a 2-3 yr joint. Our portal hits were not difference makers; it was depth guys. Also, remember this roster is still fairly young, where our best players are Sophomores, which means they too are still learning.

There’s a lot to look forward to, but at the same time, realize that calling every team on our schedule weak hasn’t meant chit in 18 yrs. Sit back, enjoy the process, criticize certain things, but don’t blow it up after one game. Lol. Stop sipping Kool-Aid; it’s bad for ur teeth & mental health.
exactly. Our older players have bad habits. they make most of the mental errors. When a Kelly, Wes, etc come into the game, they just look different but the problem is they are young and we don't have enough of those kids. the next two recruiting classes are vital.
 
OK, my friends. Breaking News:

We lost.

Who would’ve known that a team who barely went 7-5 last yr, w/ a QB who really had only one real target that’s no longer here, would lose a game on the road in a hostile environment to a SEC team? I get the anger; there’s plenty of blame to go around this game:

-From The Coaching Staff: clock mgmt was atrocious, and play calls in the green zone (commonly referred to as red zone) was head scratching

-From The Players: The Special Teams unit was god awful, & it literally cost us the game. Poor tackling on a couple of drives led to A&M close to putting a final nail in the coffin. Those pesky drops that was reported in camp? Yeah, they came out at night, like The Freaks; and while the OL did well throughout the game, costly penalties took steam out the boat on several occasions.

Those are the facts; but, there appears to be another fact some refuse to accept. It’s a fact I stated on @LeedsCane podcast, it’s a fact that I created a thread on. The fact is, this team is good, but it’s not great. This team, this culture that has been riddled with bad evals, fit pieces, and an overall lack of winning is still here. Yet, some convinced themselves that just b/c a new staff w/ some hot names came on board, that would change this culture in one year; how?

I tried to tell u guys numerous of times stop comparing us to SC, why? B/c SC is the only game in town; they are So Cal’s team. SC have won a Nat’l title in the past 18 yrs, we haven’t. SC have won their conference several times in the past 18 yrs, we haven’t. SC have won multiple NY6 bowls in the past 18 yrs, we haven’t. Friends, let me be clear, & I need u all to truly understand this: The chit that’s talked about other schools, they’ve all faired better than us in the last 18 yrs.

Here’s the silver lining; a change have been seen:

-The OL is playing way better than we’ve seen in some time.

-Our RB room, while not 2001 worthy, has 3 guys who can get theirs w/ 2 of those RBs who are small in stature, but big in heart & effort

-Our defense, while filled w/ some holes, have been holding us down while the offense have been trying to find its sea legs.

We were in this game until the clock struck zero. There are no moral victories; the fact is, we did lose to a bad 8&4 team, and we can blame ourselves on several things, but that’s the point. As long as I can remember, this Miami Hurricanes team have shot themselves in the foot, & it’s from little things that snowball in to bigger issues. That’s culture, folks. That’s what u can’t account for on paper. Mario has been transparent this entire time, yet the reason you feel this vitriol is b/c despite what u saw from The Spring Game, despite what Mario continue to say, u saw us beat up on BCU & come out & smoke So. Miss in the 2nd Half. That stubborn 15-0 mentality crept in & now u’re disappointed faced w/ reality. That’s shame on u, not on them.

Listen, I’m not always right, but my post history shows I’m more right than wrong. I don’t get emotionally caught as most fanatics, I try to base things on facts (hence, y I provide current & historical stats/records, etc.) The fact is, TVD is missing his #1 target, Rambo. Our WR room is filled w/ 3rd down, chain movers, not play/difference makers that can stretch the field or game plan around. The defense has “some guys”, but that too is lacking play makers throughout.

We’ll win next week, against another poor G5 team, and I promise, we’ll see the 14-1 crowd rear it’s head, but when I said I see this team as an 8 win regular season team, I didn’t look at names on the roster, I looked at a change in culture. I looked at an offense that want to be ran v. personnel to run it.

If u’re calling for Gattis’ or Mario’s head after one defeat, that’s b/c u drank the Kool Aid as opposed to being reasonable in realizing that 80% of a roster that scraped by to go 7-5 is still here, while a big part of that production on O is gone. R-E-L-A-X; this is not a 1yr turn around; it’s a 2-3 yr joint. Our portal hits were not difference makers; it was depth guys. Also, remember this roster is still fairly young, where our best players are Sophomores, which means they too are still learning.

There’s a lot to look forward to, but at the same time, realize that calling every team on our schedule weak hasn’t meant chit in 18 yrs. Sit back, enjoy the process, criticize certain things, but don’t blow it up after one game. Lol. Stop sipping Kool-Aid; it’s bad for ur teeth & mental health.
Love the post @Rellyrell

You’ve been on this board for a while and I bet we’ve seen these two things posted since the summer -

Did we know about Mario had game mgmt issues when we named him our HC - Yes

Did we know that WR would be a year long issue since we don’t have a true #1 - Yes

This **** has always been a work in progress, and quite frankly, we should’ve lost by more, **** if this was last year it would’ve been an embarrassment. We played better than AM imo, I think the stat sheet and the analytics will prove it, but we couldn’t execute when we needed to the most.

We got things to work on, and if you’re not Bama, OSU, or Georgia, then you probably do too.

UNC is that game I’m looking at. Comparable talent and an effective offense that will test the D, a poor defense that our offense should do well against, and someone that’s been a pain in the *** for the past few years.
 
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@SWFLHurricane sounds like he saying you broke.
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A lot of good points. It seems like a lot of people forgot that this team nearly started 1-5 last season. Assuming Mario had the secret fix was short sighted and dumb. The fanbase needs to realize Mario has made some progress through three games but he managed the game poorly yesterday. The staff created a solid game plan. Key moments the players and staff made critical errors. If year 3 or 4 and these same issues are present then it’s time to panic.
Year 3 or 4? NO

Fixing critical errors with this staff should not and cannot take 3 years.

Beating the top teams, yes. Critical Errors - no way.

Coaching errors - 3 WEEKS. Fix that by UNC
 
Year 3 or 4? NO

Fixing critical errors with this staff should not and cannot take 3 years.

Beating the top teams, yes. Critical Errors - no way.

Coaching errors - 3 WEEKS. Fix that by UNC
Some folks are having the yips because of the last 6 minutes and blaming clock management on the staff. Operation could have run more efficiently but we got the ball back near mid-field with over a minute to go. The previous drive blew up on consecutive holding penalties. You can debate whether Cristobal should have burned an early timeout in the 3rd quarter. He was probably ****ed because we came out unfocused. In my opinion he has to temper himself and not get hot too early.

As for correcting critical mental errors, here is where we need to see what this staff does. I do believe they are going to hold our kids accountable so we will see changes and tweaks.
 
I completely agree w/ u. It was our game and we handed it to them on a silver lining.

Allow me to oblige u & the rest of the board, if I may:

2019:
Miami v. UF
We take a 13-7 lead in to half. We give up the lead in the 3rd qtr. We then take the lead in the 4th qtr, when DeeJay makes a helluva run. UF then takes the lead 24-20. UF throws an int at the 4 min mark, & we return it to UF’s 25 yrd line. We stayed at UF’s 25 yrd line & loose.
Stat line from said game?
Total Yards:
Miami - 301
UF - 304

1st Downs:
Miami - 20
UF - 17

Time of Possession:
Miami - 36:13
UF - 23:47

We also won the turnover battle


Miami v. UNC
UNC takes a 17-13 lead into half time. They take a 20-19 lead into the 4th. We take a 25-20 lead w/ 4:30 left in the game. We give up a 4th & 17 w/ 2:55 left in the game in their territory. We give up the eventual game winning TD w/ 1 min left the game. J Will drives us all the way down for a game tying FG; wide left from 49 out.
Stat line from said game?

Total Yards:
Miami - 488
UNC - 389

1st Downs:
Miami - 27
UNC - 22

Time of Possession:
Miami: 35:23
UNC: 24:37

And yes, these r two examples of heart breaking losses under a 1st yr corch in Diaz, but what about the heart break losses to FSU & ND in 2016, where we literally had the games in hand & simply fumbled away victories under Richt. Last year, against UNC, down 45-34, get the score to 45-42…get the ball back, GET TO UNC’s 13 yrd line, just to throw an int.

My point is bro, Saturday; Saturday was nothing new. This team last yr folded in clutch moments. Sure the scoreboard looked sexier, but it was the same results. That’s y I said there’s something about a culture fix that takes more time than anything.

I’ll put this out there, since I brought up SC:
Riley may just turn SC from bottom dwellers to 1st class in yr 1. Our fan base may look & say: “But look what Riley did at SC…Mario sucks.” The culture at SC is different b/c it’s not even remotely the same team! They have a QB from a winning program starting, 2 WRs from a winning program, a RB from a winning program. Dammit, this ain’t even the same SC team from 2021! Lol. Us? Fortunately & unfortunately this IS the same team from 2021, so yeah, Mario is going to have to clean up bad habits, but Mario will also need to clean up some habits of his own. That clock mgmt was unbelievable & completely unacceptable.
The answer is recruiting. We just need a far more talented team, so that a singular error isn't as costly (and players who make fewer mistakes). Load the staff with the best recruiters and get it done. As far as scheme goes, just make it competent. I am no longer concerned with the minute details of scheme for this program. It's not the solution.
 
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Pace/Tempo is the only thing I would love more of....but at the same time I am not at practice so the fear may be if we move faster we have to sub in guys that clearly arent as good at certain positions. Our OL has made great strides in not even one year. But if we start moving at an insane pace do we have 3-4 more guys that can come in and do the same. If our offense starts moving quicker and scoring quicker our defense is on the field more do we have a bunch of LB's and CBs that can come in in waves and not have a drop off.

I gave previous coaches way to much time thinking 3-4 years was needed. We arent that far off. But game 3 of year 1 I'm not panicking esp knowing some of the guys that we are playing and what their past history has been. I mean like someone else mentioned if we get 80% of what Ivey did this past week the rest of the year its a small miracle.

Ill be interested to see as the weeks go by do any of the other young guys start to see some snaps and start helping (Skinner, Horton, more of Cooper, etc)
 
The answer is recruiting. We just need a far more talented team, so that a singular error isn't as costly (and players who make fewer mistakes). Load the staff with the best recruiters and get it done. As far as scheme goes, just make it competent. I am no longer concerned with the minute details of scheme for this program. It's not the solution.
This.

Ruiz needs to open the purse, sign a couple of 4/5 star wr recruits and get a stud wr from the portal and this offense is completely different.
 
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We paid 80m to get a coach so he can scrape out 1 more win then ****** Diaz last year and the same as the year before.

Great deal!
Asinine comment totally. If you can't see the MAJOR improvement in how this team played on Saturday night ... OL play ... DL play .... than ANYTHING Diaz ever put together you might as well just stop watching Canes football. Special Teams made the mistakes that lost the game ... UM's trench play was the best it has been in decades. Bodes very well for the future. Fans like you really give the program a bad name.
 
That’s y it doesn’t add up for u; ur math is wrong. Let’s look at everything from a production standpoint from those past two seasons

2020 roster that finished 8-3:
QB: King (Gone)
RBs: Cam Harris (Gone) , D Chaney (injured)
WRs: Harley (gone) Mark Pope (Gone)
TE: B Jordan (gone) ; Mallory

2021 roster that finished 7-5
QB: King (Gone) , TVD
RB: Rooster, Chaney (injured)
WRs: Harley (Gone), Rambo (Gone)
TE: Mallory

So u factor in these losses (not saying Pope was a loss since he failed to grow from 2020), but that’s a good portion of turnover from the O. Annnnd, the playbook has changed. I’m not sure y many of u continue to disregard that. It’s a totally new philosophy and concept that’s being learned.
When it comes down to it, the plays are called (some really good play calls from Gattis and other coaches) and dudes just need to make plays. We have the roster that we have.

SEC running back in Parrish. Had a nice game but that 3rd down drop was huge.

Rique is an SEC DB and played awesome on defense but he killed the team with the fumbled punt.

Redding, Brashard - coach schemed you open and the QB went to you repeatedly and you drop the ball.

Really missed X in a lot of situations (punt return and 3rd & 4th down). X playing and he could’ve gone the game not catching a ball all game but I know he would’ve caught that punt.

- Red zone play calls leave a lot to be desired.
- James Williams personal foul penalty was brutal and hurt us so a terrible job by the refs on that one.

Two players I just don’t want to see as much anymore:

- Steede (too many missed tackles). Just give me Wes from here on out and I’ll live with the mistakes.

- Blades over Tae thing has me baffled. That is two weeks in a row where Blades made bone headed mistakes (the biggest for me this week was not tackling and pinning the punt returner on the fumble and taking him out of the play so that his teammates could recover the ball).
 
Relly you been my guy for a long minute. But I think it’s fair to be upset that WE BLEW IT. Everything you said is spot on but guess what? WE , not them, are to blame for the result.

There were a lot of things that had to happen to lose that game. Drops, muffs, poor clock mgt. poor play calls. It all added up to only an 8 PT loss on the road in a packed night game. That’s encouraging but it also makes it sting more. We blew that fam. That game was ours to snag. They didn’t dominate us. We dominated them actually. And it doesn’t matter. It’s an L for us because just a few controllable things were botched. Man this loss has irked me all day. More than any blowout because after blow outs I have to admit we aren’t any good. But after last night? Even our worst potential game plan, clock mgt., WR play, and ST play could’ve still been enough to win with just one of those not being that bad. I’m irked man.

I just hope these guys are locked in and wanting to bully and smash everyone in the schedule to set up a second chance at making a statement against Clemson. Because that’s the only opp on the schedule we have.
Yep, that game was there for the taking. Stings.

Hurts more because I saw the O and D lines shove around an SEC team
 
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Year 3 or 4? NO

Fixing critical errors with this staff should not and cannot take 3 years.

Beating the top teams, yes. Critical Errors - no way.

Coaching errors - 3 WEEKS. Fix that by UNC
Errors like missed FGs, dropping punts, dropping passes, just a sense of being lazy on the field, yes those can take more than three games.

Mario did not manage the end of the game well at all. But I’m realistic and that didn’t cost this team the game. Players making mistakes at the wrong time and Gattis’s horrendous red zone play calling did. Im not going to blame ST’s because even with all their miscues the offense still could’ve won this game.

But I agree the coaching aspect has to change but by in large is, Mario did not cost them this game.
 
I could hardly agree more.
The risk with the A&M game was that we would look like we didn't belong and that would have a negative impact on recruiting. But that did not happen. Some of us got a little starry eyed before the game, like, 'If we win, we're getting Keon Keely!' So that was a bit much. As great as it would have been to win and expand the board, I do not see the A&M game as hurting us with anyone who was already on the board. If anything, it helped. 'We're right there, we just need a couple guys like you, Mr. Williams.'
For the record, I'm in.
 
I completely agree w/ u. It was our game and we handed it to them on a silver lining.

Allow me to oblige u & the rest of the board, if I may:

2019:
Miami v. UF
We take a 13-7 lead in to half. We give up the lead in the 3rd qtr. We then take the lead in the 4th qtr, when DeeJay makes a helluva run. UF then takes the lead 24-20. UF throws an int at the 4 min mark, & we return it to UF’s 25 yrd line. We stayed at UF’s 25 yrd line & loose.
Stat line from said game?
Total Yards:
Miami - 301
UF - 304

1st Downs:
Miami - 20
UF - 17

Time of Possession:
Miami - 36:13
UF - 23:47

We also won the turnover battle


Miami v. UNC
UNC takes a 17-13 lead into half time. They take a 20-19 lead into the 4th. We take a 25-20 lead w/ 4:30 left in the game. We give up a 4th & 17 w/ 2:55 left in the game in their territory. We give up the eventual game winning TD w/ 1 min left the game. J Will drives us all the way down for a game tying FG; wide left from 49 out.
Stat line from said game?

Total Yards:
Miami - 488
UNC - 389

1st Downs:
Miami - 27
UNC - 22

Time of Possession:
Miami: 35:23
UNC: 24:37

And yes, these r two examples of heart breaking losses under a 1st yr corch in Diaz, but what about the heart break losses to FSU & ND in 2016, where we literally had the games in hand & simply fumbled away victories under Richt. Last year, against UNC, down 45-34, get the score to 45-42…get the ball back, GET TO UNC’s 13 yrd line, just to throw an int.

My point is bro, Saturday; Saturday was nothing new. This team last yr folded in clutch moments. Sure the scoreboard looked sexier, but it was the same results. That’s y I said there’s something about a culture fix that takes more time than anything.

I’ll put this out there, since I brought up SC:
Riley may just turn SC from bottom dwellers to 1st class in yr 1. Our fan base may look & say: “But look what Riley did at SC…Mario sucks.” The culture at SC is different b/c it’s not even remotely the same team! They have a QB from a winning program starting, 2 WRs from a winning program, a RB from a winning program. Dammit, this ain’t even the same SC team from 2021! Lol. Us? Fortunately & unfortunately this IS the same team from 2021, so yeah, Mario is going to have to clean up bad habits, but Mario will also need to clean up some habits of his own. That clock mgmt was unbelievable & completely unacceptable.
That last piece is what gets me most fam. All the examples you mentioned the players on the field botched things, and Manny wasn’t making Mario money. At the very least I expect that anything and everything that falls under Mario’s control would be sound and tight.

We’ve dragged the clock mgt. on and on at this point but that’s one example.

Putting TS2 to field punts when Smith and George have a history of being better there is a second one. Forget the muff, who made the call to put him back there?

Gattis calling a third down okay that doesn’t even reach the line to gain? Like WHAT?

Going for 3 inside the 10?

Fam the coaching in game had as much to do with it. I felt like we were prepared for the game but the fear that some of these coaches coached with us inexcusable. That’s where it’s like **** the players didn’t fold on us. They hung in all night and never let it get out of hand. We had chances. At the very least the coaches could have given us a better showing.
 
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