The biggest concern for this FSU game is Beck..

[TriStarCane]

Only pushback to that is Vegas doesn't take any of that bull**** into effect, and the line is -4.5

I've said it since the UiF game ended, if this game was at Hard Rock, the line would be -10 and I'd be hammering Miami. At Doak is a different animal. Not because it's some impossible place, but it's a rivalry game, at night, on the road, in a loud environment. Far better teams than Miami have lost to far worse teams than FSU in the same spot. Weird **** happens on the road in college football. Carter Davis has been nails...will he be the same in the 4th quarter (hopefully we don't need him, but...) with 60K people screaming at the top of their lungs? It's just a different environment, and often leads to the road team playing something other than their best. Would it shock me if we won by 14+ points? **** no, I think we're way better. But would it shock me if it's a dogfight? Of course not.

Someone else pointed this out earlier this week, but Miami and FSU both got good at football around 1980. There have certainly been times where one or the other was much better than the opponent, but even through all the simultaneous great, good, awful, and ups and downs of both, Miami is 11-11 at Doak since 1980.

Of those 11 wins, TWO were by 10+ points.

2001, with the greatest team of all-time, 49-27

And 2019, against Willie Taggart, the week before he was fired, 27-10.

That's it. We've beaten them twice at Doak by 10+ since before I was born, and I'm an old ****.

I agree but will add that the mitigation of this scenario is a good run game and defense, because it usually travels well. I don’t think Beck will get caught up in the road environment stuff. I’m more worried about the communication on defense and weathering momentum shifts. We have to get ball carriers to the ground and we can’t give up chunk plays. We do that, we win by 2 TDs imo

 

[GirthQuake]

my biggest concern are the **** snap infractions

I really hope golesh didnt put another blue print out to slow our team down. Mario has to be in refs ear every time the defense simulates a snap count.

 

[Brooklyndee]

I’m convinced some of you just NEED someone to crap on, data be damned. Carson Beck is at the bottom of the list of things that concern me. He’s an experienced, battle tested QB that has performed well in big games. Even with his “Struggles” last year, he was an above average QB. His floor is still **** good, especially if things like weather and protection are favorable.

Dude hasn’t played a game in optimal conditions all year, and has still performed well.

He's definitely made a couple shaky throws. People that don't comprehend what they're watching just put all the blame on where the stat lies. One of those 3 picks was on him and a horrible read. Far as on here, midlife crisis are real I suppose.

 

[Felonious Monk]

I feel like there's a lot of overlap between the people so worried about Beck all offseason and the ones worried about him now.

Oh, and the CIS Noles.

 

[HurricanePhilly]

Only pushback to that is Vegas doesn't take any of that bull**** into effect, and the line is -4.5

I've said it since the UiF game ended, if this game was at Hard Rock, the line would be -10 and I'd be hammering Miami. At Doak is a different animal. Not because it's some impossible place, but it's a rivalry game, at night, on the road, in a loud environment. Far better teams than Miami have lost to far worse teams than FSU in the same spot. Weird **** happens on the road in college football. Carter Davis has been nails...will he be the same in the 4th quarter (hopefully we don't need him, but...) with 60K people screaming at the top of their lungs? It's just a different environment, and often leads to the road team playing something other than their best. Would it shock me if we won by 14+ points? **** no, I think we're way better. But would it shock me if it's a dogfight? Of course not.

Someone else pointed this out earlier this week, but Miami and FSU both got good at football around 1980. There have certainly been times where one or the other was much better than the opponent, but even through all the simultaneous great, good, awful, and ups and downs of both, Miami is 11-11 at Doak since 1980.

Of those 11 wins, TWO were by 10+ points.

2001, with the greatest team of all-time, 49-27

And 2019, against Willie Taggart, the week before he was fired, 27-10.

That's it. We've beaten them twice at Doak by 10+ since before I was born, and I'm an old ****.

"

" - CIS

 

[CaneBear0207]

When I ask myself, "How can we possibly lose?," I picture the third quarter against Florida, where Beck was misfiring all over the place and the offense was basically impotent. Two or three quarters of that is how a loss at FSU would look. Otherwise, we cruise.

 

[hoops156]

When I ask myself, "How can we possibly lose?," I picture the third quarter against Florida, where Beck was misfiring all over the place and the offense was basically impotent. Two or three quarters of that is how a loss at FSU would look. Otherwise, we cruise.

ND beck and we roll by 3 scores. he looked really confident and played really well.

 

[DubCaliCane]

stats are skewed because of the two cupcakes they played ... context matters ... they caught bama with no tape ... ran it up on two pay for play games then lose to virginia giving up 200 on the ground ... cmon now

Bama also cannot stop the run. Which is why Vandy will beat them again this year

 

[S.CarolinaCane]

80 degrees and dry at kickoff Saturday night. He's going to play just fine.

If we struggle again offensively, I'll be officially concerned about the true ceiling of the team. I don't think we will.

I know its easy to look at the UF game and say we struggled offensively, but that's a tough one for me. I know that it may have looked like a struggle, especially in the pass game, but in all honesty I felt like we should've leaned on the run a bit more in a sloppy game (regarding the weather).

I know when you look at Beck's stat line, it doesn't look pretty. But on the other hand you look at the backs, both over 4YPC, and the underneath/intermediate pass game, it really wasn't bad, aside from poor throws.

Couple of examples, and I know some of this is on Beck
2nd drive: 2nd & 7 from the 29. Beck badly over shoots Bauman. Toney was open underneath with the closest guy 7-8 yds off. Next play he decides to fire one to Toney, with a guy a 2 yds off his hip, for a 1st down. To end the drive Bauman is wide open in the flat and never looks for the ball.
NOTE: In that drive we had several penalties on the OL, including the sack, that were crucial to ending up with a FG only.

Last drive of 1st half: Lots of run and underneath passes, we march right down the field. UF makes a couple of good stops on 1s & 2nd in side the 10, and yet again another OL penalty, kills the drive

1st drive out of the half, we all know we got screwed on the late whistle, but after that: Becks drops back on 3rd down looking deep, and has Lofton open for a 1st down underneath.

On the interception, another play where Beck is looking downfield, but has Fletcher wide open on the outlet in the flat. On a 1st down play...

1st TD in the 4th: we finally remember how much better our OL was than their DL, and just pushed them downfield.

2TD, very much the same thing, albeit a short field, but at this point UF defense was just gassed...and that is exactly what we need to be doing

Now I get it. People do not like conservative play calling, but if you're pushing a defense around. I do not think its conservative. If you're playing a defense that has no chance against the pass, than by all means gash the **** out of them.
Bottom line, we should be taking what the defense gives us, and adjust accordingly. Especially if the weather conditions are not the best.

 

[swampcougar1]

Beck one of highest qb ratings in country. What qbs have not thrown an interception after 4 games

 

[HurricaneKush]

He hasn’t been good this season. I said it when everybody was playing the results and glazing him. He hasn’t been accurate

 

[Ispyin]

Only pushback to that is Vegas doesn't take any of that bull**** into effect, and the line is -4.5

I've said it since the UiF game ended, if this game was at Hard Rock, the line would be -10 and I'd be hammering Miami. At Doak is a different animal. Not because it's some impossible place, but it's a rivalry game, at night, on the road, in a loud environment. Far better teams than Miami have lost to far worse teams than FSU in the same spot. Weird **** happens on the road in college football. Carter Davis has been nails...will he be the same in the 4th quarter (hopefully we don't need him, but...) with 60K people screaming at the top of their lungs? It's just a different environment, and often leads to the road team playing something other than their best. Would it shock me if we won by 14+ points? **** no, I think we're way better. But would it shock me if it's a dogfight? Of course not.

Someone else pointed this out earlier this week, but Miami and FSU both got good at football around 1980. There have certainly been times where one or the other was much better than the opponent, but even through all the simultaneous great, good, awful, and ups and downs of both, Miami is 11-11 at Doak since 1980.

Of those 11 wins, TWO were by 10+ points.

2001, with the greatest team of all-time, 49-27

And 2019, against Willie Taggart, the week before he was fired, 27-10.

That's it. We've beaten them twice at Doak by 10+ since before I was born, and I'm an old ****.

It started higher and people betting it down

 

[Trav]

We beat them with Malik Rosier, N'kosi Perry, Jarren Williams, and **** near beat them with Emory Williams. I sincerely believe Carson Beck is a better quarterback than any of those.

That's on oversimplification but it's a good point. In the past 30 years the only time we lost to them with a "good" QB was arguably Scott Covington in '98, maybe Kaaya during his years.. Going back further we lost to them with Gino in '89 but he was a RS freshman and that was his first start I believe. Very tough situation.

 

[JD08]

That's on oversimplification but it's a good point. In the past 30 years the only time we lost to them with a "good" QB was arguably Scott Covington in '98, maybe Kaaya during his years.. Going back further we lost to them with Gino in '89 but he was a RS freshman and that was his first start I believe. Very tough situation.

And this FSU team is not close to those teams.

 

[Shooter McGavin]

If it rains then yea I’d worry about him

 

[OrangeBowlMagic]

He hasn’t been good this season. I said it when everybody was playing the results and glazing him. He hasn’t been accurate

He's been accurate. The UiF game was really bad, though. The box score looked bad, but even some of the completions were awful throws. He was actually worse than the box score looked, and it didn't look great.

 

[Cane6]

Popo plays. Pruitt doesn’t IMO. Thomas is more experienced and better right now.

I don’t expect spying. I expect 4-5 in the back end playing man and cover 2/1 and the 6-7 under playing eyes forward.

That may be so, but Torre should have reduced snaps, hence more snaps for the guys I mentioned.

If we are using Nickel as our base Pruitt should play more whether he’s LB or Safety

 

[swampcougar1]

He's been accurate. The UiF game was really bad, though. The box score looked bad, but even some of the completions were awful throws. He was actually worse than the box score looked, and it didn't look great.

10th best completion percentage in fbs and all 4 games in rain. Must be a lot of inaccurate qbs out there

 

[hoops156]

He's been accurate. The UiF game was really bad, though. The box score looked bad, but even some of the completions were awful throws. He was actually worse than the box score looked, and it didn't look great.

the throw to brown that was a huge catch and run was an absolutely awful throw for a simple check down pass. you could tell he had no confidence at that point

 

[hoops156]

I know its easy to look at the UF game and say we struggled offensively, but that's a tough one for me. I know that it may have looked like a struggle, especially in the pass game, but in all honesty I felt like we should've leaned on the run a bit more in a sloppy game (regarding the weather).

I know when you look at Beck's stat line, it doesn't look pretty. But on the other hand you look at the backs, both over 4YPC, and the underneath/intermediate pass game, it really wasn't bad, aside from poor throws.

Couple of examples, and I know some of this is on Beck
2nd drive: 2nd & 7 from the 29. Beck badly over shoots Bauman. Toney was open underneath with the closest guy 7-8 yds off. Next play he decides to fire one to Toney, with a guy a 2 yds off his hip, for a 1st down. To end the drive Bauman is wide open in the flat and never looks for the ball.
NOTE: In that drive we had several penalties on the OL, including the sack, that were crucial to ending up with a FG only.

Last drive of 1st half: Lots of run and underneath passes, we march right down the field. UF makes a couple of good stops on 1s & 2nd in side the 10, and yet again another OL penalty, kills the drive

1st drive out of the half, we all know we got screwed on the late whistle, but after that: Becks drops back on 3rd down looking deep, and has Lofton open for a 1st down underneath.

On the interception, another play where Beck is looking downfield, but has Fletcher wide open on the outlet in the flat. On a 1st down play...

1st TD in the 4th: we finally remember how much better our OL was than their DL, and just pushed them downfield.

2TD, very much the same thing, albeit a short field, but at this point UF defense was just gassed...and that is exactly what we need to be doing

Now I get it. People do not like conservative play calling, but if you're pushing a defense around. I do not think its conservative. If you're playing a defense that has no chance against the pass, than by all means gash the **** out of them.
Bottom line, we should be taking what the defense gives us, and adjust accordingly. Especially if the weather conditions are not the best.

I think there's a balance. the conservative game plan nearly cost us a win against ND when beck was rolling and we couldn't really move the ball on the ground in the second half.

against UF, the pass game nearly cost us the game when they couldn't stop the run at all.

my point: it comes down to which beck we get