The Beck throw....

[E1k]

1. Throw cover2 hole shots with anticipation, throw it early to beat the safety help and while the corner is recovering

2. Beck’s arm isn’t as strong as it was pre surgery, if it was he probably gets it there

 

[Shogun]

Mario addressed this in the presser and agrees with Coach above:

Cristobal also addressed what appeared to be a miscommunication on that last throw. "It's the right place to go with the ball," he said. "Just got to be a little bit further and a little bit farther outside. We didn't connect on it, and turnover."

 

[canesigep23]

ball was intercepted at the 15.

5 more yards and he completes it. the safety probably makes the tackle before the endzone.

again, any starting d1 QB has the arm strent to make that throw. this was not about a lack of arm strength at all. beck chose to put it where he did because he wanted to keep it away from the safety, which he was locked in on.

This.

 

[deezydinh]

Gotta think his arm isn’t right. Not a lot of zip. He’s been underthrowing guys all season and not driving the ball but lofting it

 

[troyskiles]

He had time and the down to check down. He did not need to make that throw at that time. I think it was a mistake and it cost us the game. I liked Beck, but this was just a very bad decision and throw. More so a bad throw. Period.

 

[mosthated305]

It was the SAME EXACT PLAY that Bama ran against Georgia with a slight route adjustment because we were on the right hash as opposed to the left like Bama was.

Our slot (87) ran a wheel route instead of a post, only difference in the route tree.

The play was there, we just didn't make the throw.

If Beck throws the ball where & how Tua did, we are all down on Biscayne celebrating.

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Not the same. We were on the opposite hash the other night. Tua was on the short side hash on his throw.

 

[RedSquare]

No. Very few D1 QB's can make that throw. It has to be a strike from 58 yards. Can't rainbow it.

The NFL use to do a QB challenge at the Pro Bowl where they would throw it as far as they could. I think Testaverde and Favre had the longest throws ever at 75 and 80 yards. The elite arm talents in the NFL could get it over 70. Most guys were between 60 and 70. That's also without pads on and they don't have to think about the trajectory or how long the ball is in the air. Add pads and the need to deliver it on a rope and that's a throw that only top tier arm talents can make.

Wrong. I have had G5 kids I’ve coached that can make that throw. Is it easy? No. Is it doable by most competent QB’s, and certainly one that has arm talent equivalent to Carson? Absolutely.

 

[Brooklyndee]

Not ripping this dude. I've seen him do solid breakdowns before but I don't think he realizes how far this throw is.

Far hash to sideline = 100 feet
47 yard line to goal line = 141 feet

Do the basic geometry and the distance from where Beck was standing to the front pylon is just under 173 feet or 57 2/3rds yards. For a throw that really needs to be a strike, can't rainbow it and leave time for DB's to adjust while the balls in the air, that's more club than Beck had in his bag especially post injury.

That's a throw that you need top shelf arm strength to make and make consistently. He's asking to much.

Carson beck can make that throw ALL DAY. He's not wrong in the least that the throw was there and the ball was badly under thrown. I said several days ago, the right read was to throw Malachi open(we also wanted to take more time off the clock) but I'm not at all mad about taking what's there and striking considering the more you condense the field the more difficult a touchdown becomes and their defense was considered elite at stopping that. Factor in we needed the touchdown to win and a field goal does zero for us he's not wrong at all with that read... BUT THAT BALL WAS REALLY UNDERTHROWN. SHOULDVE BEEN EITHER TO THE PYLON OR BACK CORNER OF THE END ZONE ON HIS BACK SHOULDER. DB COULDN'T DO NOTHING WITH THAT BALL IF HE MAKES THE THROW. Hindsight is what it is but he knows that himself. We go up and put it on the defense to hold for the last 30 seconds. #6 here we are. Instead this is whatever we're doing and we just have to hope and believe that Mario has us back in that position again. For those of us that have been a part of the ride long term we know that's not a given. A good chunk of people on here weren't even alive the last time we were here. Gotta take advantage of our opportunities. I've calmed down some since. But I'll never forgive bauman even more than Ethan O'Connor because bauman is considered a **** good blocker and literally made zero attempt at effort on a play that accounted for the points we lost a championship on. O'Connor on the other hand I've said all season to the few people I speak with on here that he flat out sucks. Anotherwords he did exactly what we should've expected of him. That's on heatherman to me for putting him in that position. Because he's a starter. He wasn't there because of the injuries we had and the lack of depth as a result. He was there because heatherman thought he should start... Dude bails so heavy pre snap every time that he's a liability in plenty of route concepts. That's exactly what shanahan did on those fourth down throws to blacker or whatever his name is. He took advantage of a flawed player putting himself and flawed situations. That's elite coaching. Just that simple.

 

[BRockCane98]

HS QBs are throwing streaks and go routes everywhere from all parts of the field. Turn on any QB with at least 1 d1 offers highlights and you will see that throw at least once! Go routes are the easiest throws. We should’ve been screaming BLUUUURRRRR!!! On that play!!

The HS I work at had a unanimous 5 star QB at it very recently, last few cycles, and that throw would have been a stretch for him. It's a go from the far hash that needs to be delivered with a low trajectory. It's not just about throwing it 58 yards it's throwing it 58 yards without putting a ton of air under it.

 

[BRockCane98]

Carson beck can make that throw ALL DAY. He's not wrong in the least that the throw was there and the ball was badly under thrown. I said several days ago, the right read was to throw Malachi open(we also wanted to take more time off the clock) but I'm not at all mad about taking what's there and striking considering the more you condense the field the more difficult a touchdown becomes and their defense was considered elite at stopping that. Factor in we needed the touchdown to win and a field goal does zero for us he's not wrong at all with that read... BUT THAT BALL WAS REALLY UNDERTHROWN. SHOULDVE BEEN EITHER TO THE PYLON OR BACK CORNER OF THE END ZONE ON HIS BACK SHOULDER. DB COULDN'T DO NOTHING WITH THAT BALL IF HE MAKES THE THROW. Hindsight is what it is but he knows that himself. We go up and put it on the defense to hold for the last 30 seconds. #6 here we are. Instead this is whatever we're doing and we just have to hope and believe that Mario has us back in that position again. For those of us that have been a part of the ride long term we know that's not a given. A good chunk of people on here weren't even alive the last time we were here. Gotta take advantage of our opportunities. I've calmed down some since. But I'll never forgive bauman even more than Ethan O'Connor because bauman is considered a **** good blocker and literally made zero attempt at effort on a play that accounted for the points we lost a championship on. O'Connor on the other hand I've said all season to the few people I speak with on here that he flat out sucks. Anotherwords he did exactly what we should've expected of him. That's on heatherman to me for putting him in that position. Because he's a starter. He wasn't there because of the injuries we had and the lack of depth as a result. He was there because heatherman thought he should start... Dude bails so heavy pre snap every time that he's a liability in plenty of route concepts. That's exactly what shanahan did on those fourth down throws to blacker or whatever his name is. He took advantage of a flawed player putting himself and flawed situations. That's elite coaching. Just that simple.

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[BRockCane98]

Wrong. I have had G5 kids I’ve coached that can make that throw. Is it easy? No. Is it doable by most competent QB’s, and certainly one that has arm talent equivalent to Carson? Absolutely.

It's not about being a competent QB or not. Drew Brees was an elite QB but even when he was young I doubt he makes that throw. That's a throw that takes raw arm strength. 58 yards with a low trajectory is a difficult throw for all but the best arm talents and Beck isn't one of those.

 

[canes_226]

even if he makes the throw. you give them 45 seconds to get in field goal range for a game winner.

should have just kept dinking and dunking until you got to the 15-10 yard line. have 1 or 2 chances from there

 

[BRockCane98]

That’s the throw tua made to beat Georgia in the natty. If the safety makes a play on it, he’s playing the receiver not the ball, meaning the worst case scenario would’ve been an incompletion

Tua was on the near hash. Beck was on the far hash. It's not the same throw.

 

[BRockCane98]

It was the SAME EXACT PLAY that Bama ran against Georgia with a slight route adjustment because we were on the right hash as opposed to the left like Bama was.

Our slot (87) ran a wheel route instead of a post, only difference in the route tree.

The play was there, we just didn't make the throw.

If Beck throws the ball where & how Tua did, we are all down on Biscayne celebrating.

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Near hash vs far hash! Running the go on the wide side of the field makes the throw appreciably farther.

 

[423Hurricane]

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If you knew who this gentleman was, you might be a bit more respectful.

 

[BRockCane98]

Gotta think his arm isn’t right. Not a lot of zip. He’s been underthrowing guys all season and not driving the ball but lofting it

He's currently 13 months removed from TJS. Of course his arm isn't 100%. That's a tough throw for NFL QB's to make. At best it's a low % throw for Beck that he has to put way to much air under, see his throw vs USF to Moore, to get it to the spot.

 

[Gocanes1990]

Top 5 most painful beat a dead horse CIS THREAD / topic. Can’t look away but my eyes are also bleeding.

Pain

 

[Handsome Squidbum]

even if he makes the throw. you give them 45 seconds to get in field goal range for a game winner.

should have just kept dinking and dunking until you got to the 15-10 yard line. have 1 or 2 chances from there

If he make that throw for a TD? Yeah. Too much time. But looked to me if it goes closer to the pylon, Marion catches it and momentum takes him out at the 1 or 2 yard line. Interesting whether the decision would be to score immediately if the catch is made at the 2 yd line with 44 seconds on the clock. Clock is stopped due to going out of bounds. What's the correct decision? Run the ball into the end zone and give them 35 seconds to work with?

 

[RedSquare]

Carson beck can make that throw ALL DAY. He's not wrong in the least that the throw was there and the ball was badly under thrown. I said several days ago, the right read was to throw Malachi open(we also wanted to take more time off the clock) but I'm not at all mad about taking what's there and striking considering the more you condense the field the more difficult a touchdown becomes and their defense was considered elite at stopping that. Factor in we needed the touchdown to win and a field goal does zero for us he's not wrong at all with that read... BUT THAT BALL WAS REALLY UNDERTHROWN. SHOULDVE BEEN EITHER TO THE PYLON OR BACK CORNER OF THE END ZONE ON HIS BACK SHOULDER. DB COULDN'T DO NOTHING WITH THAT BALL IF HE MAKES THE THROW. Hindsight is what it is but he knows that himself. We go up and put it on the defense to hold for the last 30 seconds. #6 here we are. Instead this is whatever we're doing and we just have to hope and believe that Mario has us back in that position again. For those of us that have been a part of the ride long term we know that's not a given. A good chunk of people on here weren't even alive the last time we were here. Gotta take advantage of our opportunities. I've calmed down some since. But I'll never forgive bauman even more than Ethan O'Connor because bauman is considered a **** good blocker and literally made zero attempt at effort on a play that accounted for the points we lost a championship on. O'Connor on the other hand I've said all season to the few people I speak with on here that he flat out sucks. Anotherwords he did exactly what we should've expected of him. That's on heatherman to me for putting him in that position. Because he's a starter. He wasn't there because of the injuries we had and the lack of depth as a result. He was there because heatherman thought he should start... Dude bails so heavy pre snap every time that he's a liability in plenty of route concepts. That's exactly what shanahan did on those fourth down throws to blacker or whatever his name is. He took advantage of a flawed player putting himself and flawed situations. That's elite coaching. Just that simple.

This

All. Day. Long.

 

[Brooklyndee]

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