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The Beck throw....

troyskiles said:
He had time and the down to check down. He did not need to make that throw at that time. I think it was a mistake and it cost us the game. I liked Beck, but this was just a very bad decision and throw. More so a bad throw. Period.
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If you want to beat cover 2 over the top you have to get rid of it early. He made the right read and decision and got it out at the perfect time.

Just didn't throw to the right spot/depth
 
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423Hurricane said:
If you knew who this gentleman was, you might be a bit more respectful.
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I thought it was amusing. Equally as amusing as comparing Carson beck(arm issues or not)to a weak armed QB in drew Brees. I guess now beck is tua. Carson beck right this second makes that throw the vast majority of times he would throw it. Has he underthrown plenty of balls all throughout the season OR overthrown them? Absolutely he has. But buddy don't mention the overthrows. Nor does he take into account he had zero history with these receivers to get his timing on point. Which ANYONE who's ever played this game at any level even in the park with your boys would know, if you don't KNOW what you're gonna get out of a receiver you just put air under it and let him run. That ball should've been thrown to a spot. Not based on the receiver but based on what makes it safe. Dude just got here and is another one of these canesinsight board geniuses who just came in here with our success to tell us how fortunate we are to have him here. Myself I'll just say mehhh.
 
JayCane20 said:
If you want to beat cover 2 over the top you have to get rid of it early. He made the right read and decision and got it out at the perfect time.

Just didn't throw to the right spot/depth
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I finally had the mental fortitude to watch the replay. When he let go of the ball it certainly looked like 6. It wasn’t a bad decision (yeah going to Toney is a 100% good decision) but Beck saw the TD and tough to say now he should have passed it up. He just didn’t put the ball in the right place.

I am almost over it. We didn’t win but the consensus around the country is that UM is going to be a dominant program again and we are stealing everyone’s lunch money. The hatred is strong again. Getting the stink eye from fans of other teams when I wear my UM gear now makes me happy.
 
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Brooklyndee said:
I thought it was amusing. Equally as amusing as comparing Carson beck(arm issues or not)to a weak armed QB in drew Brees. I guess now beck is tua. Carson beck right this second makes that throw the vast majority of times he would throw it. Has he underthrown plenty of balls all throughout the season OR overthrown them? Absolutely he has. But buddy don't mention the overthrows. Nor does he take into account he had zero history with these receivers to get his timing on point. Which ANYONE who's ever played this game at any level even in the park with your boys would know, if you don't KNOW what you're gonna get out of a receiver you just put air under it and let him run. That ball should've been thrown to a spot. Not based on the receiver but based on what makes it safe. Dude just got here and is another one of these canesinsight board geniuses who just came in here with our success to tell us how fortunate we are to have him here. Myself I'll just say mehhh.
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I was really surprised he underthrew it. He didn’t throw a lot of deep balls this year but when he did, he didn’t seem to have a problem getting it there. The throw to CJ against ND falling back with a defender in his face in the first game of the season comes to mind.
 
Brooklyndee said:
I thought it was amusing. Equally as amusing as comparing Carson beck(arm issues or not)to a weak armed QB in drew Brees. I guess now beck is tua. Carson beck right this second makes that throw the vast majority of times he would throw it. Has he underthrown plenty of balls all throughout the season OR overthrown them? Absolutely he has. But buddy don't mention the overthrows. Nor does he take into account he had zero history with these receivers to get his timing on point. Which ANYONE who's ever played this game at any level even in the park with your boys would know, if you don't KNOW what you're gonna get out of a receiver you just put air under it and let him run. That ball should've been thrown to a spot. Not based on the receiver but based on what makes it safe. Dude just got here and is another one of these canesinsight board geniuses who just came in here with our success to tell us how fortunate we are to have him here. Myself I'll just say mehhh.
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No where did I compare Beck to Drew Brees. Someone tried to say that making that throw is something any "good" QB could do and I made the point that it has nothing to do with being "good" or not. Drew Brees is a HOF QB and he can't make the throw. Joe Milton is a 3rd string/backup so far and he could make it in his sleep.

If you want to believe a 58 yard strike, rainbow'ing the throw doesn't help anything as the safety will be all over it then, is an easy throw that most QB's make that's your business.
 
423Hurricane said:
I was really surprised he underthrew it. He didn’t throw a lot of deep balls this year but when he did, he didn’t seem to have a problem getting it there. The throw to CJ against ND falling back with a defender in his face in the first game of the season comes to mind.
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Wasn't the throw to Daniels in the ND game about 25 yards and more or less straight up the field? Not the same as throwing almost 2/3rds of the fields width while pushing it down the field.
 
BRockCane98 said:
No where did I compare Beck to Drew Brees. Someone tried to say that making that throw is something any "good" QB could do and I made the point that it has nothing to do with being "good" or not. Drew Brees is a HOF QB and he can't make the throw. Joe Milton is a 3rd string/backup so far and he could make it in his sleep.

If you want to believe a 58 yard strike, rainbow'ing the throw doesn't help anything as the safety will be all over it then, is an easy throw that most QB's make that's your business.
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I'll just leave it at I know far more about those QBs and those DBS in that discussion then I'd prefer to discuss with you. Didn't even bother to read your context behind it. Whoever mentioned a weak armed QB with elite accuracy to a QB in beck who is very accurate in the pocket and with upper tier arm strength shouldn't talk about football further.
 
BRockCane98 said:
Wasn't the throw to Daniels in the ND game about 25 yards and more or less straight up the field? Not the same as throwing almost 2/3rds of the fields width while pushing it down the field.
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Didn’t say it was same type of throw just that he was falling back with a defender in his face and got it there no problem. Don’t recall the yardage but got it there no problem and it was the first game of the season thus possibly debunking the arm strength narrative.
 
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What is going on here?
It was the right read, go for the kill and trust the defense to get a stop with 40 seconds. It’s a tough throw, but it’s absolutely makeable

It was just an god awful throw by 11. He underthrew the WR by at least five yards. Put the ball at the pylon. Worst case, it’s 2nd & 10 with 43 seconds left

We made one too many mistakes
 
Brooklyndee said:
I'll just leave it at I know far more about those QBs and those DBS in that discussion then I'd prefer to discuss with you. Didn't even bother to read your context behind it. Whoever mentioned a weak armed QB with elite accuracy to a QB in beck who is very accurate in the pocket and with upper tier arm strength shouldn't talk about football further.
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Yeah I know context isn't important just like what hash you are throwing from isn't important either.

Beck has upper tier arm strength? Maybe pre TJS and even that's a stretch. Wasn't bad before the injury but he didn't have what anyone would consider a rocket arm.
 
423Hurricane said:
Didn’t say it was same type of throw just that he was falling back with a defender in his face and got it there no problem. Don’t recall the yardage but got it there no problem and it was the first game of the season thus possibly debunking the arm strength narrative.
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It was a shade over 25 yards **** near straight up the field and it floated. It was a nice play but that by no means indicates he can deliver a **** near 60 yard thunderbolt.
 
Decided to take a look at another angle. Bad throw into double coverage

Beck gets the snap. S already opened his hip to drop to his spot over the top of the CB. Only one route to that side. CB is focused on Beck because he knows he has help over the top
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Beck frozes the S for half a second looking at the MOF, and decides to take the shot. The corner is looking at the QB, trusting his help over the top
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Because of this, the CB is able to track the ball and make the easy catch
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IMO, Beck isn't even a year post-op. He will likely be even better by August. The NFL team that takes the chance on him could have a potential starter with 40+ college starts. Many of the 40 starts were vs good to great teams.

He puts 1 more yard on the ball, Marion catches it and is likely tackled around the 0-5 yard line. Throw it 2-3 yards further, TD. He missed and we lost. Sucks.
 
E1k said:
1. Throw cover2 hole shots with anticipation, throw it early to beat the safety help and while the corner is recovering

2. Beck’s arm isn’t as strong as it was pre surgery, if it was he probably gets it there
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Any QB's arm can get the ball there. But to gun it in or place it with touch before the D gets there....that's tough. I don't hate the throw....but it was a big boy throw for sure.


When the ball comes out, Marion has the DB beat. If thrown on a rope (which Beck probably doesn't have) it probably gets there before the Safety.

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The DB jumps at the 17 to make the play, picks it at the 15.

Beck threw with touch (just came up a little short) - More to the sideline & about 5 more yds on it and Marion has a good chance.


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All he had to do was step up in the pocket and that throw would’ve been there. **** man I can’t get over that throw. I am still down myself. 🤦🏻‍♂️🤦🏻‍♂️🤦🏻‍♂️
 
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Look how much more zip he gets on a similar distance pass when he stepped into the throw. And this is early in the season, closer to the injury.
 
SinCityCane said:
Look how much more zip he gets on a similar distance pass when he stepped into the throw. And this is early in the season, closer to the injury.
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Not a similar distance though. Throwing it to the goal line, near the pylon, in the natty was nearly 60 yards. About 58 and it needed to be a true strike to beat the safety. The throw you just posted was about 45.
 
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