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mosthated305 said:
Until we join the P2 we won't be getting top 4. Our NIL is one of the best. We have a guy who lives and breathes recruiting running things. Miami was the only non P2 to land in the top 15 last year. Let that sink in. These kids are being pushed to P2 for good reason and unless we win a ship or two it won't matter what we do while in the ACC.
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This is a very big piece of it and I’ve been yelling the same for years now. There are a LOT of kids who simply don’t want to play in the ACC, and who could blame them? At the end of the day, no excuses, play like a champion. But this league is cooked and has been cooked for a long time. It’s the minor leagues. Trust me, EVERY SINGLE COACH of other programs say to our recruits, “You really wanna play in the ACC?”
 
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Zanecane said:
Do you have the NIL figures? Just curious why internet rumours are being thrown around like gospel. "So and so said we have a top 5 NIL" doesn't make it factual.
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No. I’m not involved in any way this cycle where I would know. Is it not Top 5 or 7? I think it’s pretty **** close if it isn’t. It’s enough for him to get to top 5 if he’s really an elite recruiter.

He’s not an elite recruiter. He’s a very good recruiter and a relentless hard worker. That with less than average coaching ability and nothing special at evals and development gets us 3rd-4th place in the ACC.
 
AUcane said:
I see you added the qualifier to your post. How often is the goal post going to move for "winning"? We won 10 games last year with a historic offense and the rallying cry was "hey, get back to winning 10+ games and we'll be fine". Now it's how we win 10+ games that's relevant? I'm not disagreeing with you but solely winning 10+ ain't gonna cut it, it seems.
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I think its going to take a big playoff game on the big stage and a dominant win. We'll finally get the draft picks on Oline Cam went #1 Martinez and Restrepo should produce in NFL! Wont be much more excuses after that!
 
RVACane said:
Mario has about the same record as Manny in the same amount of time at UM with far more resources. He took Manny’s 7 win players and won 5 that next year.

He’s not a good game coach.

He’s not an above average talent evaluator or player developer.

He’s got Top 5 NIL but not recruiting a Top 5 Class.

He’s not going anywhere because he has eons of time left on a contract funded by his backers so there’s no point in having that conversation for another 3-5 years.

But some of these guys on here think it’s unfair to speak the facts and the truth because he followed Manny who followed Richt who followed Orange Tie Sweathead who followed Radio who followed Clappy.

Meanwhile Rhett Lashlee, who left as OC at the end of the Manny Era, took Garen Justice and Rob Likens with him and got SMU to the ACCCG in year 1 in the ACC.
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I’ve said this a million times.

Lashlee comes here and he goes 7-5. That’s just Miami.

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We aren’t built like these SEC/BIG10 universities and never will be.

In basically every facet from student body demographic to game day experience, we have unique challenges that can literally only be overcome by championships and sending kids to the league. Not positive momentum. Not multiple ten win seasons. Not a good “culture.” Legitimate hardware and multiple top three round draft picks.

NIL is keeping us in these recruiting battles with the big dogs, but that **** is gonna end real fast if we can’t get a championship with the new rev share model upon us.

I believe in Mario, and even so, I think our most realistic “target state” in the modern era is Notre Dame.

Currently, I believe our program is trending toward that. Others believe we dancing on the edge of being Wake Forest.

The beauty is that we will find out for sure on August 31st.
 
I don't blame Cristobal coaching abilities for last season. He is a OL coach and we went from being one of the worst OL to the best. He also hired the OC that produce the #1 offense in the nation. His strike is whiffing on the DC 2 times. I don't expect anything genius other than great OL play and to hire good assistant coaches. It's a mix bag for assistant coaches. Gattis, Guidry eventually, Addae. Even hires that seem can't fail like Charlie Strong and Steele ended up being duds. This staff has to be it or its gonna start going down hill quickly. He doesnt get endless rope because he has a long a big contract. 4 years comes quickly. This was the season i said i would start judging results. Check my posts. I said when Bain's class were juniors. We're here.
 
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RVACane said:
Dennis Erickson was an offensive coordinator genius. He was way ahead of his time. Butch Davis was a defensive coordinator genius, and one of if not the most elite talent evaluators in college football history. He was an elite evaluator of coaching talent too. Mario is an offensive line coach. He’s not comparable to those guys. And Butch, who was not a great game coach - I used to shake my head at times - was better than this guy as a game coach. Butch was a better game coach than Manny and Manny is better on game day than Mario.

By the way, Mario is a very good developer of OL with Alex, but is he really elite at that??? I don’t think so. I don’t see it in his draft history the way it’s made out to be on here. I’ll leave stats to @Rellyrell though.
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Dennis was "way ahead of his time" at the beginning of his career. After he left UM, he NEVER had the same success. Never. He went on to coach 17 more seasons, 6 in the NFL, 1 in the AAF, and 10 in college. He had TWO good years in 17, his second year at Oregon State and his first year at Arizona State. Other than that, he was .500 or worse for FIFTEEN YEARS in college and the professional ranks.

Consider, just for a moment, that Dennis had the advantage of JJ's recruits. I'm not saying Dennis didn't get recruits of his own. He did. But not like JJ did. And Dennis had some good coaches (with some serious drinking problems, but we can talk about that another day). Very good coach at Miami, and was TERRIBLE for the next 16 years (15 of which he coached college or NFL, and I'll even try to ignore his AAF debacle in 2019).

So the question is what happened. This guy who was "way ahead of his time" spent 6 years at Miami and then was terrible for the next 16 years. Did "time" catch up with him? So quickly, that he went from a god to a losing coach nearly overnight?

I'll give Butch the credit for his recruiting. But DC genius? He had to fire Bill Miller after FOUR seasons. Fortunately, when we hired Schiano, things got a lot better on the defense (though not in the Pedo State game where Chafie Fields torched us at the end). Sorry, but unlike with Dennis' "way ahead of his time 1-back", I don't think anyone can name a particular defensive innovation of Butch's. And he was an excellent coach, but he also had some amazing defensive assistants working for him, including two who became NFL head coaches, something we definitely can't say about Mario.

Anyhow, I just want to have a simple apples-to-apples comparison and discussion. Much though I love Dennis and Butch, I'm not going to rewrite history. Facts are facts. The moment Dennis Erickson left Coral Gables, he became a terrible coach. The moment that Butch Davis left Coral Gables, he became a terrible coach. The highest win total Butch had in the next THIRTEEN years of coaching was a 9-win season at FIU and a 9-win season at the Cleveland Browns. Even before you factor in the forfeited games at UNC, his highest win total was 8.

So, as a conclusion...MAAAAAYBE it's the talent too? I mean, Dennis inherited some talent and Butch absolutely stacked some talent, but maybe their COACHING accomplishments at Miami benefited from having some amazing talent?

I don't care if Mario has to swap out his WR and S coaches in December. He needs to keep assembling the coaches to coach the talent that he is bringing in. Schiano didn't arrive until Butch's 5th year. Whatever it takes. But I agree with you, we need to win now, and we need to win a lot.
 
mosthated305 said:
Until we join the P2 we won't be getting top 4. Our NIL is one of the best. We have a guy who lives and breathes recruiting running things. Miami was the only non P2 to land in the top 15 last year. Let that sink in. These kids are being pushed to P2 for good reason and unless we win a ship or two it won't matter what we do while in the ACC.
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**** forgot about this. We really can’t afford to shoot ourselves in the foot AT ALL.
 
TheOriginalCane said:
Dennis was "way ahead of his time" at the beginning of his career. After he left UM, he NEVER had the same success. Never. He went on to coach 17 more seasons, 6 in the NFL, 1 in the AAF, and 10 in college. He had TWO good years in 17, his second year at Oregon State and his first year at Arizona State. Other than that, he was .500 or worse for FIFTEEN YEARS in college and the professional ranks.

Consider, just for a moment, that Dennis had the advantage of JJ's recruits. I'm not saying Dennis didn't get recruits of his own. He did. But not like JJ did. And Dennis had some good coaches (with some serious drinking problems, but we can talk about that another day). Very good coach at Miami, and was TERRIBLE for the next 16 years (15 of which he coached college or NFL, and I'll even try to ignore his AAF debacle in 2019).

So the question is what happened. This guy who was "way ahead of his time" spent 6 years at Miami and then was terrible for the next 16 years. Did "time" catch up with him? So quickly, that he went from a god to a losing coach nearly overnight?

I'll give Butch the credit for his recruiting. But DC genius? He had to fire Bill Miller after FOUR seasons. Fortunately, when we hired Schiano, things got a lot better on the defense (though not in the Pedo State game where Chafie Fields torched us at the end). Sorry, but unlike with Dennis' "way ahead of his time 1-back", I don't think anyone can name a particular defensive innovation of Butch's. And he was an excellent coach, but he also had some amazing defensive assistants working for him, including two who became NFL head coaches, something we definitely can't say about Mario.

Anyhow, I just want to have a simple apples-to-apples comparison and discussion. Much though I love Dennis and Butch, I'm not going to rewrite history. Facts are facts. The moment Dennis Erickson left Coral Gables, he became a terrible coach. The moment that Butch Davis left Coral Gables, he became a terrible coach. The highest win total Butch had in the next THIRTEEN years of coaching was a 9-win season at FIU and a 9-win season at the Cleveland Browns. Even before you factor in the forfeited games at UNC, his highest win total was 8.

So, as a conclusion...MAAAAAYBE it's the talent too? I mean, Dennis inherited some talent and Butch absolutely stacked some talent, but maybe their COACHING accomplishments at Miami benefited from having some amazing talent?

I don't care if Mario has to swap out his WR and S coaches in December. He needs to keep assembling the coaches to coach the talent that he is bringing in. Schiano didn't arrive until Butch's 5th year. Whatever it takes. But I agree with you, we need to win now, and we need to win a lot.
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Dennis was an offensive genius. I don’t care what he did after. At a minimum Dennis and Butch were upper echelon coordinators on their side of the field, Butch included. They called their sides of the game Mario was an OL coach.

And Butch hired monsters as staff. Mario changes staffs annually. Come on. He isn’t close to those guys as a head coach, coordinator, evaluator, developer…
 
Is there anyone on this board who would choose Mario as their Head Coach over Dennis or Butch if all were in the same generation? Identify yourself. 👀
 
RVACane said:
Is there anyone on this board who would choose Mario as their Head Coach over Dennis or Butch if all were in the same generation? Identify yourself. 👀
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I don't think ANYONE has ever said that. I'm saying that you can probably expect it to take more time for Mario, on a comparable level to Butch (breakthrough in Year 6) rather than Dennis (who inherited the #2 team in the country from JJ).

That is all.
 
RVACane said:
Ten wins. He couldn’t get to the CFB playoffs let alone the ACCCG with that roster, that schedule and Cam Ward, Martinez, Restrepo and that line. A good coach is in the playoffs last season with all of this.
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This is the take that gets to me because it just isn't that black and white. Playing the hypothetical game is silly, but if Restrepo doesn't fumble in that Syracuse game, then we have a good chance of scoring on that drive and winning the game. Win that game and we are in the ACCG and almost certainly the playoffs. Does that make Mario a good coach suddenly?

I get it, we can play the hypothetical game the other way too and there were plenty of what ifs that went our way. And I am not saying for certain that Mario is an elite coach or even a great coach and I think a lot of your assessment is pretty accurate.

But if we make the playoffs, the whole narrative changes. Not that this is an original opinion, but this season will tell us a lot about how much staying power he has as the coach of this program.
 
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DMoney said:

This won't be everyone's favorite update, but I need to give it like I get it.

Bottom line- I don't get the sense we're headed for a blockbuster two weeks. The message I'm getting is that the plan is to win key some battles, go into the season with a healthy class, perform on the field, and then take it to the next level with flips.

We saw that happen in the Class of 2024, and we saw it go the other way in 2025. So we'll see. This is a unique era in college football. There's a sense that if they go for broke now, they'll be in a worse position down the stretch and potentially create issues within the roster. But they also need to go into the season with a high-enough floor. Here's the latest:

- I continue to get confidence on RB Derrek Cooper (Chaminade). He remains the top target on the board.

- I"m getting less confidence on WR Tristen Keys (Hattiesburg, MS) than last week. As we've said, this is a high-profile recruitment with every school thinking they have a chance. Miami will continue to push until the end.

- Nobody has any clue where WR Calvin Russell (Northwestern) is headed. One of the more up-in-the-air recruitments in a while.

- The Canes are battling hard on S Blake Stewart (Atlanta). Clemson is a top contender but it's not a foregone conclusion by any means. He is a big priority.

- OL Breck Kolojay (IMG) is continuing with his process. He was pretty candid in his last interview with on3 that he's monitoring NIL deals and weighing different factors between Miami, Georgia and USC. That's a very professional process and Miami is battling.

- Miami has a good chance to flip CB Brody Jennings (Jacksonville). They have coveted him throughout this process.

- TE Heze Kent (Brunswick, GA) is still communicating with our staff. Texas and Florida are in there but Miami is alive. TE Zachery Turner (Dallas) is trending away after SMU took its financial commitment to another level.

- The Canes are also in the mix for DL Bryce Perry-Wright (Atlanta). That one is up in the air and will be decided over the next few days.

- On the football side, there is huge confidence from those observing workouts. They believe this is the best, most complete roster we've had in the Cristobal era by a good amount. I continue to hear rave reviews about Carson Beck's arm talent and overall skillset.
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I told someone this. This offense can be more efficient than last year. Not explosive… just more efficient. This O-Line will be up for the Moore award playing in front of Beck, because unlike Cam… they’ll know where Beck is at all times. And this year’s WR group is 10x more talented. Not experienced… just talent. When talking about speed, quickness, route running, and footwork leading to YAC.
 
RVACane said:
Ten wins. He couldn’t get to the CFB playoffs let alone the ACCCG with that roster, that schedule and Cam Ward, Martinez, Restrepo and that line. A good coach is in the playoffs last season with all of this.
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BS that defense was beyond porous. There are other words to describe that defense. Just not allowed to use those words on here.
 
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