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RealRussellPumps said:
Got a photo with Coach O at that very tailgate. Couldn’t believe my eyes when he just came strolling through. There was a Gator fan that walked up behind us and did a little chomp, Coach O looked at him and started talking **** lol

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**** yeah! His poor dime piece he was with had to be getting aggravated with all that. By the time he took a picture with our kids as they were leaving, she looked like she was ready to get the **** out of there stat
 
TheOriginalCane said:
Nice deflection and backpedal.

I never said "those same players cannot make extra money through NIL". The can. And they will. But the "new NIL deals" will not be the "old NIL deals". And if you can't see that and recognize that and acknowledge that, then you are lost.

I do think it's cute that you don't even know Ed O'Bannon's name. And please don't tell me it's a typo.

But keep screaming falsehoods from the bleachers. I don't care. You're still wrong, plus you'll lose your voice.

As for your last sentence, read the Supreme Court holding. You can set limits. But you need better justifications for setting limits than what the NCAA argued in the Alston case.

I'm not going to waste any additional time explaining legal concepts such as "the rule of reason test" to you. You don't understand, you have oversimplified Alston and House, and you are going to continue to argue things that just aren't true.

Enjoy that. You are entitled to your incorrect opinions.
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Yes, of course I can see that, I’m not an idiot. We all know that NIL currently is basically pay for play but moving forward, they will have to show that it’s true NIL and not pay for play. But your original post made it seem like NIL won’t be able to be used anymore because of the house settlement and that’s all I was questioning because that’s not true. And for the most part, Miami’s NIL, is actually true NIL compared to a lot of other programs.
 
Not sure if y’all remember Jeremy Finch from 2007ish. He was a highly rated Safety that went to Florida before he got kicked off. That’s JJ Finch’s Dad. Im from Indianapolis and see him play a few times. Very good player
 
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He definitely skips leg day. But as you can see, the other picture shows the same outfit, not photo shopped
 
Calinative said:
3? The ****? Has our Coaching Staff even looked at our Roster? 3 is the most absurd amount of HS WRs we could possibly take in this class. Whoever the **** is deciding that 3 is the number of WRs to add out of HS this year literally should be slapped and fired on the spot. ******* idiotic. We have 6 underclassman WRs! What are they smoking?
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Can't tell if this is serious or sarcasm?
 
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TheOriginalCane said:
I won't give you too hard of a time here.

There's no such thing as "NIL is part of the law". And you are really overlooking what is about to happen under the House settlement. In part because the LEGALIZED direct payments to players (the revenue-sharing piece) is going to lead to a substantial decline in big-money boosters funding collectives to pay FAKE NIL. And in part because there are other perfectly valid (for now) regulations that will impact "real NIL" deals.

Just pay attention to what happened with Xavier Lucas at Wisconsin. There is absolutely a desire among universities and alums/boosters alike to reduce the reliance on "hey, boosters, can you kick in $40M a year to pay our football roster, and that's before we hit you up for basketball and all the other sports?".

I don't give a **** about "challenged in court". Anyone can file a lawsuit for anything. READ the Supreme Court holding (which wasn't even about NIL, it was about academic achievement awards). Outside of "I Like Beer"s one-man diatribe, the Court was pretty clear that you needed to have a better rationale if they were going to tolerate a limitation. Amateur attorneys such as yourself have (incorrectly) come to the conclusion that there can be absolutely no limits on NIL whatsover. That's not true.

The types of limits contemplated in the House settlement are the product of a significant and large lawsuit. There is much more contemplation and justification for any NIL limits arising from House than there were in the prior Supreme Court case (which, again, wasn't even an NIL case).

There may still be some twists and turns. Certainly the Title IX objections merit some close observation.

But generalizing things to "NIL is part of the law" and "anything that goes against that will get destroyed in court because it's against the law" are some massively oversimplified and incorrect conclusions.

Not to mention, we are talking about of 18 year old kids who want to get paid now and do not have the legal acumen to be able to determine how long the uncertanty will last and how it will ultimately be decided. So you take the "old-fashioned NIL" bird-in-hand now, rather than the Xavier Lucas Wisconsin deal.
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Question for you because I know you are versed in interpreting these rulings better than I would be. Do you feel that the House settlement ultimately forced the NCAA to now bloat in their oversight and infractions arm? I know the plan is to outsource the review of the NIL deals to Deloitte, I think I saw. But how many more jobs are going to be needed to actually enforce this new model and how are they going to be able to have a budget for that? It seems like to me the first few times a school from the big 2 conferences gets slapped or denied things they are just going to say the **** with you all, we fund you to begin with, we don't need you and can set up our own model.

This seems like life support methodology by them instead of a real lasting approaching of any significance. Maybe I'm looking at it incorrectly?
 
JHallCanes said:
Add LSU and Oregon

Their recruit averages are ridiculous so once they focus on numbers they’ll be up near the top
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So what the consensus on the factors that keep us out of that top group each year? There are always a handful of teams we’ll never catch because they have too many 5*, crazy high average ratings, etc.

Our head coach was hired because he can recruit and build the lines, if nothing else. I’m not down on him, I’m just asking what will get us over the hump.

Is it simply lack of recent success? Or do we not have the $ to get into that top group? Is our staff very good but not great at recruiting? Do we not have the following to incentivize the recruiting services to bump our guys? I’m guessing some combo but curious what those in the know thing.

Again, we’ve done well. I’m not arguing we haven’t. We’re certainly in it for more whales than before, and we’ve landed some monsters. But we’re not regularly loading up on the elite guys like the top schools that always seem to be in that top 5 area.

Can we get there? Is it a matter of time, or is that probably not in the cards for us for some reason(s).
 
561Cane said:
To the Columbus Mafia; MC couldn’t win with the #1 overall offense, #1 QB, #1 overall NFL draft pick and can’t finish in top 5 recruiting. I ask, where are we going, what are we doing?
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Hopefully fixing defense & special teams. A great qb can't cover for all that by himself.
 
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NicKane said:
Yes, of course I can see that, I’m not an idiot. We all know that NIL currently is basically pay for play but moving forward, they will have to show that it’s true NIL and not pay for play. But your original post made it seem like NIL won’t be able to be used anymore because of the house settlement and that’s all I was questioning because that’s not true. And for the most part, Miami’s NIL, is actually true NIL compared to a lot of other programs.
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Again, I'll go easy on you. I never said that NIL "won't be able to be used anymore". And I agree, Miami's NIL is one of the best constructed programs in the country.

What I was actually saying, though, was that you could construct an "old-fashioned" deal NOW, that does not have to be "approved" or "reported" under the eventual framework....while the "future" is somewhat murky as to how everything will work, and whether the same amount of NIL and/or TOTAL money will be available.

That's it. Take the "known quantity" now, or roll the dice in the future. No big deal, I'm not mad about it, I just try to be careful to say the words I mean, nothing more, nothing less.

All good.
 
Gables Cane said:
Yeah…that was during the UiF tailgate in the parking lot that TOC organized. Our crew is in the background tailgating. D$ and Mike Ryan were there as well…no photoshop.
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I was probably just outside the range of the camera shot, telling the millionth Gator fan to "**** off" for parking, we bought the whole lot, even if some people had not yet arrived.

******* losers...
 
MiamiVice7 said:
So what the consensus on the factors that keep us out of that top group each year? There are always a handful of teams we’ll never catch because they have too many 5*, crazy high average ratings, etc.

Our head coach was hired because he can recruit and build the lines, if nothing else. I’m not down on him, I’m just asking what will get us over the hump.

Is it simply lack of recent success? Or do we not have the $ to get into that top group? Is our staff very good but not great at recruiting? Do we not have the following to incentivize the recruiting services to bump our guys? I’m guessing some combo but curious what those in the know thing.

Again, we’ve done well. I’m not arguing we haven’t. We’re certainly in it for more whales than before, and we’ve landed some monsters. But we’re not regularly loading up on the elite guys like the top schools that always seem to be in that top 5 area.

Can we get there? Is it a matter of time, or is that probably not in the cards for us for some reason(s).
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I think it simply comes down to Miami not being in the SEC or Big Ten. Miami and Clemson are 1A and 1B when it comes to recruiting rankings for teams outside the P2. I think Mario is doing the best job he can do recruiting wise as it pertains to Miami still being in the ACC. It's just a hard sell to the top recruits to not play in the SEC or Big Ten.
 
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