The Bank (6/19)

Yeah, but it’s nothing but a narrative now because the guys a Cane and that’s all that matters. Give me a break with anything else because it doesn’t matter. Smh
It’s relative to what I was outlining as examples of coaches having to play long game with recruits.

Drawing correlations between failures and success in regards to this subject exclusively.

Not trying to paint a broad stroke narrative, but have an intellectual conversation with an aspect of recruiting…
 
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There hasn’t been a vibe shift honestly

It’s like the “wow” thread. It’s basically been said that we were gonna land an elite class but it’s recruitments playing out over the rest of summer

People didn’t really let that part sink in and when we weren’t getting immediate commitments from everyone they started to panic and spread it around

The only vibe shift is from fans that can’t handle waiting a month or two. Same people that still freak out during OV weekends when we don’t get commitments

Literally the only thing that's "changed" in the last couple weeks is we're probably not getting the first commitment from Brown or Keys. Which those are obviously massive recruits, but I don't think that implodes the whole class. From what I can think of, not a single other thing on a single other kid looks different today than it did, say, 2 weeks ago?

So it's as usual, perception on things changes here for literally no reason whatsoever.
 
Literally the only thing that's "changed" in the last couple weeks is we're probably not getting the first commitment from Brown or Keys. Which those are obviously massive recruits, but I don't think that implodes the whole class. From what I can think of, not a single other thing on a single other kid looks different today than it did, say, 2 weeks ago?

So it's as usual, perception on things changes here for literally no reason whatsoever.
This all started because of the “wow” thread and he already said he doesn’t think we get Keys several times

I don’t trust Browns commitment when he posted that thing about how noone is talking about us in recruiting. But that’s just the PTSD in me

But yeah I don’t see how anything has changed personally. Just people needing to be constantly soothed just like every year in recruiting
 
I'm wary of the vibe shift the last week or so as well but I haven't lost hope of a top 5 class. Lots of commitment dates set in the next 2-3 weeks that will make it more clear if we're competing for a top 5 class or just trying to hang on to a top 10 class. Until then, I'm hope>mope.
Not worried, Mario ABC

Always Be Closing Alec Baldwin GIF
 
No reason at all to concede a Top 5 class at this point.

I put some rather conservative picks into the calculator, and got to 270. That's just a couple kids away from a Top 5 class. Cooper, swapping Mallory for Lamar, Evans, JJ Edwards, James Johnson, Israel Briggs, Kolojay, and Jasen Lopez. I think we feel pretty good about all of those, and the class clearly will not end right there. That's only a total of 20 kids. And 270 would be good for about 10th-ish.

I still think the class pushes towards 300 and when the dust settles, it'll be the highest rated class Mario has had here.
We will be behind Texas, USC, Ohio State, Georgia, and Texas A&M at a minimum.
 
I'll add this. Last season I was fortunate enough to get a spot at TOC's tailgate at the gaytor game. My group was minding our own away from where the main action was happening, so I do not know who was where the action was. All I know is that they know folks. I say that because Ed Orgeron thought enough about them to come hang out for a bit. He was even kind enough to take pictures with our kids. Also seen at that tailgate was D$. With seeing that, whatever TOC shares on here, I'm sure he has some solid info.


Ed O was there (and I didn't even see him!). DMoney was there. Mike Ryan was there.

We had a great crowd that day!
 
Literally the only thing that's "changed" in the last couple weeks is we're probably not getting the first commitment from Brown or Keys. Which those are obviously massive recruits, but I don't think that implodes the whole class. From what I can think of, not a single other thing on a single other kid looks different today than it did, say, 2 weeks ago?

So it's as usual, perception on things changes here for literally no reason whatsoever.
I'm not trying to be negative but let's be realistic.

In the last two weeks things have gotten less likely or very quiet for:

Keys
Russell
Spafford - I wasn't personally too high on b/c Baby Jesus isn't letting anyone else play slot for the next 3 years
Tank Jones
Bryce Perry-Wright
Stancil
Brown
Johnson is visiting Texas
Kent
Lopez is hyped by D$ but he's another slot - how many slots are we going to have on the field?
Coleman blew his Elite11 opportunity
 
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Ed O was there (and I didn't even see him!). DMoney was there. Mike Ryan was there.

We had a great crowd that day!
Got a photo with Coach O at that very tailgate. Couldn’t believe my eyes when he just came strolling through. There was a Gator fan that walked up behind us and did a little chomp, Coach O looked at him and started talking **** lol

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Really, because last I checked NIL is part of the law and anything that goes against that will get destroyed in court because it’s against the law. So, since you know everything why don’t you try to educate me on that? Please explain to me how they are going to break the law and won’t get challenged in court? I would love to hear your answer on this?


I won't give you too hard of a time here.

There's no such thing as "NIL is part of the law". And you are really overlooking what is about to happen under the House settlement. In part because the LEGALIZED direct payments to players (the revenue-sharing piece) is going to lead to a substantial decline in big-money boosters funding collectives to pay FAKE NIL. And in part because there are other perfectly valid (for now) regulations that will impact "real NIL" deals.

Just pay attention to what happened with Xavier Lucas at Wisconsin. There is absolutely a desire among universities and alums/boosters alike to reduce the reliance on "hey, boosters, can you kick in $40M a year to pay our football roster, and that's before we hit you up for basketball and all the other sports?".

I don't give a **** about "challenged in court". Anyone can file a lawsuit for anything. READ the Supreme Court holding (which wasn't even about NIL, it was about academic achievement awards). Outside of "I Like Beer"s one-man diatribe, the Court was pretty clear that you needed to have a better rationale if they were going to tolerate a limitation. Amateur attorneys such as yourself have (incorrectly) come to the conclusion that there can be absolutely no limits on NIL whatsover. That's not true.

The types of limits contemplated in the House settlement are the product of a significant and large lawsuit. There is much more contemplation and justification for any NIL limits arising from House than there were in the prior Supreme Court case (which, again, wasn't even an NIL case).

There may still be some twists and turns. Certainly the Title IX objections merit some close observation.

But generalizing things to "NIL is part of the law" and "anything that goes against that will get destroyed in court because it's against the law" are some massively oversimplified and incorrect conclusions.

Not to mention, we are talking about of 18 year old kids who want to get paid now and do not have the legal acumen to be able to determine how long the uncertanty will last and how it will ultimately be decided. So you take the "old-fashioned NIL" bird-in-hand now, rather than the Xavier Lucas Wisconsin deal.
 
I'm not trying to be negative but let's be realistic.

In the last two weeks things have gotten less likely or very quiet for:

Keys
Russell
Spafford - I wasn't personally too high on b/c Baby Jesus isn't letting anyone else play slot for the next 3 years
Tank Jones
Bryce Perry-Wright
Stancil
Brown
Johnson is visiting Texas
Kent
Lopez is hyped by D$ but he's another slot - how many slots are we going to have on the field?
Coleman blew his Elite11 opportunity

Nothing at all has changed for the majority of that list.

Johnson is visiting Texas. So? Did people think these kids weren't going to take visits? We're recruiting like 90% of the Top 100 in the country, these are big fish. You're going to have to beat the best of the best for them.

People just allow their minds to be changed by nothing. It's the same way in the real world. Most of the kids you mentioned were visiting Miami in the last couple weeks. Now they're visiting other schools, just like they always intended to. Did the chances of landing them actually change? Or do posters here have "post-visit highs" worse than the actual kids do?
 
There hasn’t been a vibe shift honestly

It’s like the “wow” thread. It’s basically been said that we were gonna land an elite class but it’s recruitments playing out over the rest of summer

People didn’t really let that part sink in and when we weren’t getting immediate commitments from everyone they started to panic and spread it around

The only vibe shift is from fans that can’t handle waiting a month or two. Same people that still freak out during OV weekends when we don’t get commitments
I'd say its 80% manufactured panic from impatient fans and 20% a reaction to top targets like Brown, Stancil, Spafford becoming less likely than we thought 2-3 weeks ago. But overall agree with you - we're in a good spot for an elite class.
 
Nice long multiple paragraph post @TheOriginalCane on something that is just not true. Just because schools can now pay players, doesn’t mean that those same players cannot make extra money through NIL. And anything that says, they can’t, is against the law. This narrative that this house settlement somehow stops NIL is pure BS and not true. Have you ever heard of Eddie Obanion? That’s the whole reason NIL exists, and it is a part of the law and anything that tries to limit it, will get destroyed in court. It’s like we have to keep screaming from the bleachers, that the house settlement has nothing to do with NIL, and maybe, just maybe if we keep telling people this, they will actually believe it because it’s the truth. If you would like to explain to me, how limiting a players earnings through NIL is somehow not illegal, I’d be interested to hear your explanation on that?
 
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Nothing at all has changed for the majority of that list.

Johnson is visiting Texas. So? Did people think these kids weren't going to take visits? We're recruiting like 90% of the Top 100 in the country, these are big fish. You're going to have to beat the best of the best for them.

People just allow their minds to be changed by nothing. It's the same way in the real world. Most of the kids you mentioned were visiting Miami in the last couple weeks. Now they're visiting other schools, just like they always intended to. Did the chances of landing them actually change? Or do posters here have "post-visit highs" worse than the actual kids do?


We certainly know that a bunch of our posters suffer from Other-OV-Partum Depression...
 
Got a photo with Coach O at that very tailgate. Couldn’t believe my eyes when he just came strolling through. There was a Gator fan that walked up behind us and did a little chomp, Coach O looked at him and started talking **** lol

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But you can’t tell me O’s head don’t look photoshopped there
 
Nice long multiple paragraph post @TheOriginalCane on something that is just not true. Just because schools can now pay players, doesn’t mean that those same players cannot make extra money through NIL. And anything that says, they can’t, is against the law. This narrative that this house settlement somehow stops NIL is pure BS and not true. Have you ever heard of Eddie Obanion? That’s the whole reason NIL exists, and it is a part of the law and anything that tries to limit it, will get destroyed in court. It’s like we have to keep screaming from the bleachers, that the house settlement has nothing to do with NIL, and maybe, just maybe if we keep telling people this, they will actually believe it because it’s the truth. If you would like to explain to me, how limiting a players earnings through NIL is somehow not illegal, I’d be interested to hear your explanation on that?


Nice deflection and backpedal.

I never said "those same players cannot make extra money through NIL". The can. And they will. But the "new NIL deals" will not be the "old NIL deals". And if you can't see that and recognize that and acknowledge that, then you are lost.

I do think it's cute that you don't even know Ed O'Bannon's name. And please don't tell me it's a typo.

But keep screaming falsehoods from the bleachers. I don't care. You're still wrong, plus you'll lose your voice.

As for your last sentence, read the Supreme Court holding. You can set limits. But you need better justifications for setting limits than what the NCAA argued in the Alston case.

I'm not going to waste any additional time explaining legal concepts such as "the rule of reason test" to you. You don't understand, you have oversimplified Alston and House, and you are going to continue to argue things that just aren't true.

Enjoy that. You are entitled to your incorrect opinions.
 
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