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STG said:
Buddy, it really is funny how you really think you just know absolutely everything. If you actually think nothing changed with regards to the terms of the Cantwell deal, than that would prove to me you legitimately have no real sources.

I can literally post 1, just 1 text from 1 UM staffer that would destroy your "nothing" claims. But hey man, you keep doing you and trying to convince people you are the end all, be all for info.
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What a silly post. You are getting exposed for bull****ting, so you want to go after me personally. I don't care.

I have never said that there weren't changes to the NIL deal. I have the texts to prove that I knew about that. But his choice from the moment he silently committed to the moment he publicly announced was UM.

As Jackson said when he referenced his choice of Drew Rosenhaus for representation, he wanted someone who would "take souls". And that's what he got. I've got nothing against financial negotiation. Yes, the number was increased. Which was due to another offer increasing as well. If something had "changed", Miami would not have had the chance to counteroffer. Like what happened with Jeremiah.

Nothing changed. More money was offered by one party, more money was given by another party. Normal in contract negotiations in the real world.

YOUR STATEMENT WAS "THE CANTWELL SITUATION HAD A LOT OF CHANGES". That is false. There was more money offered by a competitor, and Miami raised accordingly. That is NOT "a lot of changes". Stop bull****ting.
 
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STG said:
Yes, I rarely post because what's the point in sharing when it ends up goofy like the RCT days? And I have always popped in when we lock in someone I believe we did legit work to land.

But you guys only hear fluff here. I get it, that's what drives clicks. But trust, there is cringe **** not shared, **** I wouldn't even post. But man, the it's only ever rainbows **** is old. Call it both ways, that's all.
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Since you're saying it's going bad (or I guess not as well as the coaches think) why don't you just post your actual prediction for the class? I don't think anyone should expect recruitments of top players to go perfectly. Like out of top guys like: Cantwell, Keys, Lamar Brown, Calvin Russell, James Johnson, Derreck Cooper, Anthony Jones, Bryce Perry-Wright, Keenyi Pepe, Nolan Wilson, Samari Mathews, and like Jaquez Wilkes, how many do you think we land? Those are all top 85 guys in the Composite rankings.

2025 we signed 2 top 100 guys. 2024 we signed 7. 2023 we signed 4 top 100 guys.
So out of that list of guys we've been on how many do you predict we land for 2026? 5? I mean 5 would be getting like Cantwell, James Johnson, Cooper, Wilkes, and just 1 more... That seems entirely reasonable... And if things ended very well we could land what 7-8?

Cause like if you're saying **** aint sunshiine and rainbows, but then also think we end up with like 7 of the guys I names above, that doesn't fit the narrative of things not being good to me...
 
TheOriginalCane said:
What a silly post. You are getting exposed for bull****ting, so you want to go after me personally. I don't care.

I have never said that there weren't changes to the NIL deal. I have the texts to prove that I knew about that. But his choice from the moment he silently committed to the moment he publicly announced was UM.

As Jackson said when he referenced his choice of Drew Rosenhaus for representation, he wanted someone who would "take souls". And that's what he got. I've got nothing against financial negotiation. Yes, the number was increased. Which was due to another offer increasing as well. If something had "changed", Miami would not have had the chance to counteroffer. Like what happened with Jeremiah.

Nothing changed. More money was offered by one party, more money was given by another party. Normal in contract negotiations in the real world.
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Did you say going after you personally, when you just told me I was bull****ting prior? Did I miss something on the personal thing?

Listen, it's very simple. Things changed. Had we not upped our bag, he likely does not stick with us. So to say things didn't change when we had to renegotiate the terms is just not true. Were we in the drivers seat, yes, but we had to meet the new demands to remain their. That by definition means things changed.
 
STG said:
Did you say going after you personally, when you just told me I was bull****ting prior? Did I miss something on the personal thing?

Listen, it's very simple. Things changed. Had we not upped our bag, he likely does not stick with us. So to say things didn't change when we had to renegotiate the terms is just not true. Were we in the drivers seat, yes, but we had to meet the new demands to remain their. That by definition means things changed.
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I wouldn't agree with your final point. If we are the leader for weeks, he gets another offer from UGA and says hey I want you to match this or add X because I want to be a Cane and we do, I don't think much actually really changed. I mean yes technically we had to increase the offer to get him so there is some aspect of the Deal changing, but he still wanted to be a Cane and we led the entire time. That's different than implying we had him then he changed his mind to want to go to UGA then changed his mind back to going to Miami. Those are two very different versions of "Change"...
 
Calinative said:
Since you're saying it's going so bad, why don't you just post your actual prediction for the class? I don't think anyone should expect recruitments of top players to go perfectly. Like out of top guys like: Cantwell, Keys, Lamar Brown, Calvin Russell, James Johnson, Derreck Cooper, Anthony Jones, Bryce Perry-Wright, Keenyi Pepe, Nolan Wilson, Samari Mathews, and like Jaquez Wilkes, how many do you think we land? Those are all top 85 guys in the Composite rankings.

2025 we signed 2 top 100 guys. 2024 we signed 7. 2023 we signed 4 top 100 guys.
So out of that list of guys we've been on how many do you predict we land for 2026? 5? I mean 5 would be getting like Cantwell, James Johnson, Cooper, Wilkes, and just 1 more... That seems entirely reasonable... And if things ended very well we could land what 7-8?

Cause like if you're saying **** aint sunshiine and rainbows, but then also think we end up with like 7 of the guys I names above, that doesn't fit the narrative of things not being good to me...
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Where did I say it was going so bad, enlighten me? You are the exact poster I reference as to why I don't share ****. Because you literally just stated something I never said.

2025 we actually signed 1 top 100 guy. It was pretty pathetic actually.

But anyways, I am not in the business of predicting anything. I simply go by what is shared with me. If you want my personal opinion, unrelated to what I have been told, I'd say we land 5-6 top 100 guys. Again, you aren't getting a top 5 class with those numbers.

And my rainbow comment was in reference to when something isn't going good, we tend to just not hear that but instead a little fluff. It's okay to call it how it is. We aren't going to win every battle.
 
Calinative said:
I wouldn't agree with your final point. If we are the leader for weeks, he gets another offer from UGA and says hey I want you to match this or add X because I want to be a Cane and we do, I don't think much actually really changed. I mean yes technically we had to increase the offer to get him so there is some aspect of the Deal changing, but he still wanted to be a Cane and we led the entire time. That's different than implying we had him then he changed his mind to want to go to UGA then changed his mind back to going to Miami. Those are two very different versions of "Change"...
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Who said that? Where did I say he wanted to go to UGA? What I can say is if the offer wasn't increased, than he could have very easily moved on. So yes, things absolutely changed.
 
STG said:
Where did I say it was going so bad, enlighten me? You are the exact poster I reference as to why I don't share ****. Because you literally just stated something I never said.

2025 we actually signed 1 top 100 guy. It was pretty pathetic actually.

But anyways, I am not in the business of predicting anything. I simply go by what is shared with me. If you want my personal opinion, unrelated to what I have been told, I'd say we land 5-6 top 100 guys. Again, you aren't getting a top 5 class with those numbers.

And my rainbow comment was in reference to when something isn't going good, we tend to just not hear that but instead a little fluff. It's okay to call it how it is. We aren't going to win every battle.
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I mean Idk about that assesment (of not getting top 5 with those numbers). We landed 7 top 100 guys in 2024 and had the #5 rated class. We currently have 5 top 250 recruits in this class, and only 1 of them is top 100 currently. So if we get an additional 5 like you estimate we can, that'd put us at 10 top 250 recruits with just that alone. 2024 we signed 9 top 250 recruits. And that's not even including guys we are after in the 100-250 range still in this class that we can/likely will land some of like Spafford, Briggs, Stancil, Kent, Wingo, Andre Clarke, Asharri Charles, Devin Jackson, Jasen Lopez, Cortez Redding, etc. I mean what another 5 of those are likely Canes? So we are talking 15ish top 250 recruits vs 9 in 2024 where we finished with the #5 class?

I think once you factor that in, I think if you just look at it relative to 2024, It absolutely has the makings of a top 5 class if we get 6 of the top 85 guys I listed (especially given one of them is Cantwell who is #1). And if Lamar Brown and 1 of Keys/Russell are in our class, I think they make top 3 very realistically possible....
 
STG said:
Did you say going after you personally, when you just told me I was bull****ting prior? Did I miss something on the personal thing?

Listen, it's very simple. Things changed. Had we not upped our bag, he likely does not stick with us. So to say things didn't change when we had to renegotiate the terms is just not true. Were we in the drivers seat, yes, but we had to meet the new demands to remain their. That by definition means things changed.
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You're bull****ting. That's not personal, it's just a reflection of you EXAGGERATING to say that the situation had A LOT OF CHANGES. Those are your words, not mine.

Look, you can tell yourself whatever you want to tell yourself. If you **** yourself when you got the text that another school offered more money, that's on you. Not everyone can handle the ups and downs of modern big-boy recruiting.

Now you are changing your story. Now it's just "things changed". And that we were "in the driver's seat". And that we "upped our bag", which I have never disputed. What I AM DISPUTING, is your gross exaggeration of "A LOT OF CHANGES". You said that, not me, and if you are now backtracking like an NFL cornerback, I'm fine with that. Honesty is the best policy, even if someone has to admit he was wrong.

And don't pull this "that by definition means things changed" bullcrap. If I know that Miami and the Collective have the intention and wherewithal to counter-offer, then "by definition" I do not get as panicky as you do. It's just that very simple.

You can't hide behind the generality of the word "things". WHAT THINGS? Did the money increase? Yes it did. Same for Cam Ward's negotiation. But that doesn't mean that a recruit wants to go to another school. You are being vague and misleading people into thinking that Cantwell's intentions changed multiple times over a few weeks, simply to support the fact that over 90% of the lemmings on this board were ****ing and moaning about how we had lost Jackson Cantwell to Georgia over last week to 10 days prior to the announcement.

Unlike you, I'm consistent and honest. I never said there weren't offers and counteroffers. I know that to be true. But you're out here trying to tell people that there were "A LOT OF CHANGES" during Cantwell's recruitment. And that's just not true.

Don't talk about "things", generally. Be specific. I have been. You just keep yapping about that one text you got that caused urine to stream down your leg. Toughen up.
 
STG said:
Who said that? Where did I say he wanted to go to UGA? What I can say is if the offer wasn't increased, than he could have very easily moved on. So yes, things absolutely changed.
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I didn't say you said he wanted to go to UGA. I'm saying there is a very large difference in "things change" between we needed to match the NIL negotiation in a recruitment we were the leader the entire time at the end, and a version "things change" where We were the leader, then UGA became the leader and where he was likely to pick at that moment, and then it flipped back to us.. Those are very different things Is My point. So saying Things changed in the Cantwell recruitment... I mean sure a little, but that doesn't seem like a big change, where like Pepe for instance went from us in a similar spot as Cantwell and then all of a sudden it changed to USC being the pick. Now that is a real big change... And sure you can say had we not matched he may not have picked us, but did we match for Pepe? I don't actually know that, but I bet we probably did, yet that didn't end up flipping back to us... because that was a real big change....
 
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STG said:
Who said that? Where did I say he wanted to go to UGA? What I can say is if the offer wasn't increased, than he could have very easily moved on. So yes, things absolutely changed.
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Now you've gone from "the Cantwell situation had a lot of changes" to "if the offer wasn't increased, then he could very easily have moved on".

Hilarious.
 
Calinative said:
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I mean Idk about that assesment (of not getting top 5 with those numbers). We landed 7 top 100 guys in 2024 and had the #5 rated class. We currently have 5 top 250 recruits in this class, and only 1 of them is top 100 currently. So if we get an additional 5 like you estimate we can, that'd put us at 10 top 250 recruits with just that alone. 2024 we signed 9 top 250 recruits. And that's not even including guys we are after in the 100-250 range still in this class that we can/likely will land some of like Spafford, Briggs, Stancil, Kent, Wingo, Andre Clarke, Asharri Charles, Devin Jackson, Jasen Lopez, Cortez Redding, etc. I mean what another 5 of those are likely Canes? So we are talking 15ish top 250 recruits vs 9 in 2024 where we finished with the #5 class?

I think once you factor that in, I think if you just look at it relative to 2024, It absolutely has the makings of a top 5 class if we get 6 of the top 85 guys I listed (especially given one of them is Cantwell who is #1). And if Lamar Brown and 1 of Keys/Russell are in our class, I think they make top 3 very realistically possible....
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I don't pick and choose publications to favor us, I look at the composite. Lowe was the only top 100.

As of now, we are not landing a top 5 class. I look at the rating average of classes to determine ranking. That 2023 class was the 10th best as far as average player rating. That number truly tells you how talented the class is.

Unfortunately with Mario, he always takes way too many 3/2 star guys. Look at every one of his classes from Oregon to here. Compare them to the top 5 classes each year and look at how few non blue chip players the top 5 classes take.
 
TheOriginalCane said:
You're bull****ting. That's not personal, it's just a reflection of you EXAGGERATING to say that the situation had A LOT OF CHANGES. Those are your words, not mine.

Look, you can tell yourself whatever you want to tell yourself. If you **** yourself when you got the text that another school offered more money, that's on you. Not everyone can handle the ups and downs of modern big-boy recruiting.

Now you are changing your story. Now it's just "things changed". And that we were "in the driver's seat". And that we "upped our bag", which I have never disputed. What I AM DISPUTING, is your gross exaggeration of "A LOT OF CHANGES". You said that, not me, and if you are now backtracking like an NFL cornerback, I'm fine with that. Honesty is the best policy, even if someone has to admit he was wrong.

And don't pull this "that by definition means things changed" bullcrap. If I know that Miami and the Collective have the intention and wherewithal to counter-offer, then "by definition" I do not get as panicky as you do. It's just that very simple.

You can't hide behind the generality of the word "things". WHAT THINGS? Did the money increase? Yes it did. Same for Cam Ward's negotiation. But that doesn't mean that a recruit wants to go to another school. You are being vague and misleading people into thinking that Cantwell's intentions changed multiple times over a few weeks, simply to support the fact that over 90% of the lemmings on this board were ****ing and moaning about how we had lost Jackson Cantwell to Georgia over last week to 10 days prior to the announcement.

Unlike you, I'm consistent and honest. I never said there weren't offers and counteroffers. I know that to be true. But you're out here trying to tell people that there were "A LOT OF CHANGES" during Cantwell's recruitment. And that's just not true.

Don't talk about "things", generally. Be specific. I have been. You just keep yapping about that one text you got that caused urine to stream down your leg. Toughen up.
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LMAO. Buddy, you actually think someone is reading that? Again, keep believing you know more than what you put out. I have read plenty of your stuff and I can shut it down real quick.
 
STG said:
I don't pick and choose publications to favor us, I look at the composite. Lowe was the only top 100.

As of now, we are not landing a top 5 class. I look at the rating average of classes to determine ranking. That 2023 class was the 10th best as far as average player rating. That number truly tells you how talented the class is.

Unfortunately with Mario, he always takes way too many 3/2 star guys. Look at every one of his classes from Oregon to here. Compare them to the top 5 classes each year and look at how few non blue chip players the top 5 classes take.
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Bro that is On3's Composite. 247 has their composite, on3 has their version. All the composite is is a mix of each sites ratings. But maybe 247 uses one breakdown of like 30/30/10/10 or something and On3 uses another, idk. I like On3s website better so I use their composite ratings. On3 had Moore rated 63 nationally on their own ratings and #100 in the composite.

Average Rating per player matters less when scholarships increase to 105 and you SHOULD be taking a HS class closer to 35 than 25.
 
STG said:
We aren't going to win every battle.
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See, on this we can agree. This is a reasonable statement. It would be nice to have this kind of a rational assessment instead of "there were a lot of changes" in a recruitment that we led nearly from the outset until the announcement.

The reason I'm calling out your "lot of changes" statement is because we have a bunch of posters on this board who are scared of their own shadows. And once a couple of other posters build some momentum for "we're not getting this recruit" or "this coach is the worst recruiter on the planet", then all of the frightened posters jump on the bandwagon.

I know you know more about recruiting, this year and in past years, than you are displaying right now. If you think I'm being too critical of you, it's because I expect more from you.

I'm up here in ATL. I know how all these UGa and Bama fans are whining like babies right now because they want to get back to getting a "you-won-a-ship-recently" discount. We just have to stay calm, hold our fire, prepare for the counteroffers, and reassure some of our terrified posters that there is plenty of time on the recruiting clock.

And on a separate note, and I'm sure you'll understand this, I'm very disappointed in a pair of UM alums right now, as it relates to the recruitment of a certain recruit.
 
Calinative said:
I didn't say you said he wanted to go to UGA. I'm saying there is a very large difference in "things change" between we needed to match the NIL negotiation in a recruitment we were the leader the entire time at the end, and a version "things change" where We were the leader, then UGA became the leader and where he was likely to pick at that moment, and then it flipped back to us.. Those are very different things Is My point. So saying Things changed in the Cantwell recruitment... I mean sure a little, but that doesn't seem like a big change, where like Pepe for instance went from us in a similar spot as Cantwell and then all of a sudden it changed to USC being the pick. Now that is a real big change... And sure you can say had we not matched he may not have picked us, but did we match for Pepe? I don't actually know that, but I bet we probably did, yet that didn't end up flipping back to us... because that was a real big change....
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USC's offer overall was better and we were not beating it.

How do you know if he didn't consider UGA his leader at some point?
 
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STG said:
USC's offer overall was better and we were not beating it.

How do you know if he didn't consider UGA his leader at some point?
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...Did he? lol you literally JUST responded to me saying you never said he did. So are you now saying he in fact did?
 
TheOriginalCane said:
See, on this we can agree. This is a reasonable statement. It would be nice to have this kind of a rational assessment instead of "there were a lot of changes" in a recruitment that we led nearly from the outset until the announcement.

The reason I'm calling out your "lot of changes" statement is because we have a bunch of posters on this board who are scared of their own shadows. And once a couple of other posters build some momentum for "we're not getting this recruit" or "this coach is the worst recruiter on the planet", then all of the frightened posters jump on the bandwagon.

I know you know more about recruiting, this year and in past years, than you are displaying right now. If you think I'm being too critical of you, it's because I expect more from you.

I'm up here in ATL. I know how all these UGa and Bama fans are whining like babies right now because they want to get back to getting a "you-won-a-ship-recently" discount. We just have to stay calm, hold our fire, prepare for the counteroffers, and reassure some of our terrified posters that there is plenty of time on the recruiting clock.

And on a separate note, and I'm sure you'll understand this, I'm very disappointed in a pair of UM alums right now, as it relates to the recruitment of a certain recruit.
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Feel free to call me out as much as you'd like. It's cool with me. I know what I am told and it's all I can go by. I will always trust those feeding me info just because of the nature of there positions at UM.

If you hear differenrt so be it, but I'll never waiver from what I have been told.

With that being said, I bow out. Have a good evening.
 
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