The Bank (4/15)

[ST26]

In my opinion Pena is certainly NOT the answer and would pass. He was on a team who had a tremendous QB that delivered the ball to him on time with extreme accuracy. Most likely he won't get that here. We need a killer LB, safety ,QB, and a DT who is big and mobile. Not sold at all on Carson Beck and if he can't cut we have a very talented true freshmen behind him.

He wouldn't get that here? He's arguably one of the best qbs in college football lol. If you were to ask 20 NFL scouts, every single one of them would probably tell you Beck is a better prospect than McCord. Beck still threw for over 3,500 yards and 30 tds with a below average oline and one of the worst WR rooms in the country in 2024

 

[htownkidd]

Pena made our “freshman all AA CB” look like he was in HS, lined up on the outside btw. He punked our entire secondary, and is of of the leading returning WRs in America and one of the best in the conference. It’s like you all are waiting on Jeremiah Smith to enter, that isn’t happening. But okay, when we end up with a guy who had 36 catches at Western Kentucky last year, but he is 6’5 and “noT a SlOT”, I don’t want to hear ****.


and please, if Lambert or Badger were the guys, everyone would still be complaining and saying those aren’t impact guys either. If they are, PLEASE entertain me and tell me how they are, but Pena isn’t?

 

[TheOriginalCane]

My contacts up here in Clemson are hoping the house settlement gets thru, and are thinking if they can just get to that point they are going to be fine.

What I gather from Miami side is they dont want the house settlement or need it.

My takeway is the schools without elite collectives are wanting the rev share deal.

Someone correct me if my thinking is off.

Maybe @TheOriginalCane has some insight?

I think everyone wants the House settlement to happen, if for nothing else than to provide certainty and equity. Right now, things are getting way too crazy.

I don't think anyone is going to be "fine". We all need to find a way to fund 20 more football scholarships permanently, plus as many as 22 more in baseball, plus whatever new ones in all the other sports. PLUS the payment of athletes under House. PLUS the funding of some additional sports we will need to join the Big 10. Plus the facilities.

If anything, we might WANT to have the big-money boosters pay "less" in NIL in order to fund everything else.

The current system, with all its loopholes and inequities, is completely unworkable for the long-term.

 

[JHallCanes]

Pena made our “freshman all AA CB” look like he was in HS, lined up on the outside btw. He punked our entire secondary, and is of of the leading returning WRs in America and one of the best in the conference. It’s like you all are waiting on Jeremiah Smith to enter, that isn’t happening. But okay, when we end up with a guy who had 36 catches at Western Kentucky last year, but he is 6’5 and “noT a SlOT”, I don’t want to hear ****.


and please, if Lambert or Badger were the guys, everyone would still be complaining and saying those aren’t impact guys either. If they are, PLEASE entertain me and tell me how they are, but Pena isn’t?

I’m just gonna re-read this post instead of drink my preworkout

 

[cway313]

Pena made our “freshman all AA CB” look like he was in HS, lined up on the outside btw. He punked our entire secondary, and is of of the leading returning WRs in America and one of the best in the conference. It’s like you all are waiting on Jeremiah Smith to enter, that isn’t happening. But okay, when we end up with a guy who had 36 catches at Western Kentucky last year, but he is 6’5 and “noT a SlOT”, I don’t want to hear ****.


and please, if Lambert or Badger were the guys, everyone would still be complaining and saying those aren’t impact guys either. If they are, PLEASE entertain me and tell me how they are, but Pena isn’t?

To be fair Rudy from USF made our CBs look like make a wish kids.

 

[htownkidd]

I’m just gonna re-read this post instead of drink my preworkout

He IsNt aN imPaCt GuY

Yes he is, for us. He is miles better than anything we have on the roster and would slide into the slot spot with ease and put up NUMBERS. But let’s count on a kid that should be in HS instead, sounds grand.

Watch this kid go to Oregon, put up numbers and in 12 months get drafted higher than anything of our WRs are about to be and everyone will have something to say.

 

[flips]

Pena made our “freshman all AA CB” look like he was in HS, lined up on the outside btw. He punked our entire secondary, and is of of the leading returning WRs in America and one of the best in the conference. It’s like you all are waiting on Jeremiah Smith to enter, that isn’t happening. But okay, when we end up with a guy who had 36 catches at Western Kentucky last year, but he is 6’5 and “noT a SlOT”, I don’t want to hear ****.


and please, if Lambert or Badger were the guys, everyone would still be complaining and saying those aren’t impact guys either. If they are, PLEASE entertain me and tell me how they are, but Pena isn’t?

 

[JHallCanes]

He IsNt aN imPaCt GuY

Yes he is, for us. He is miles better than anything we have on the roster and would slide into the slot spot with ease and put up NUMBERS. But let’s count on a kid that should be in HS instead, sounds grand.

Watch this kid go to Oregon, put up numbers and in 12 months get drafted higher than anything of our WRs are about to be and everyone will have something to say.

I get the part where some of our positions we’ve got some expensive highly rated young guys who need reps and gotta step up

WR is not one of those spots even if you like the depth chart

Then again if I was coach I wouldn’t even recruit high school kids at this point I’d portal the whole **** team, so I’m probably not the person to comment

 

[DC3]

And herein lies another issue; I don't know how you make judgement on all these WR already on the roster given the QB situation this spring. Nickel has been in college barely 3 months and essentially got "worked into the rotation" with the 2 deep guys the last two weeks.
We have all seen EMory Williams, heard about his inconsistent performance again this spring, his unwillingness/inability to get the ball downfield. And then there's Judd, who hasnt' shown anything. How in the world do you know what you have? You can only guess on the glimpses you got..

At some point the guys that were highly rated and recruited have to get on the field.

The rotation doesn’t need to be as top heavy as it was last year, and even adding just one guy shouldn’t get rid of snaps for the young guys. Go into it with a rotation of Daniels, Transfer, Trader, and then 3-4 others to battle it out for snaps.


Make the young guys earn it not just throwing them out there for them to run the wrong routes like some did in the bowl game.

 

[DMoney]

He IsNt aN imPaCt GuY

Yes he is, for us. He is miles better than anything we have on the roster and would slide into the slot spot with ease and put up NUMBERS. But let’s count on a kid that should be in HS instead, sounds grand.

Watch this kid go to Oregon, put up numbers and in 12 months get drafted higher than anything of our WRs are about to be and everyone will have something to say.

I personally think Pena is a stud. The one that hurts is Singleton (GT transfer to Auburn). If we had Beck lined up earlier, I think he's a Cane. No guarantee someone with that profile comes available again.

 

[NicKane]

This is the settlement that allows schools to pay players. So, more money (bigger deals) and a salary cap.

Yeah, but no salary cap on NIL correct D? Because that would be illegal. Only a salary cap on what the school can pay the player. A player can still go out and get more money for himself with NIL correct?

 

[motorcitycane]

Yall better start contributing more to canes connection

 

[SCarolina Ibis]

Yeah, but no salary cap on NIL correct D? Because that would be illegal. Only a salary cap on what the school can pay the player. A player can still go out and get more money for himself with NIL correct?

The House settlement won't put a hard cap on NIL, but will does make major changes.

Any NIL deal over $600 has to be approved by the clearinghouse for "fair market value." So even though its not technically a cap, it basically is.

 

[MiamiVice7]

Can someone who’s put eyes on Toney more than once give me an honest eval? I know it’s mostly projection at this point, but I keep hearing he’s special, start day 1, etc (aka classic Greentree All-American talk).

Maybe I’m wrong, but I swear I heard the same about Ray Ray and a bunch before him. Is there some reason to think this guy is different? Or is he just the new “new guy” that’s obviously better than the old guy because, well, he’s new?

I follow recruiting some (not as much as I used to since things started changing), and I know he balled in HS…but so do most of these guys.

 

[NicKane]

The House settlement won't put a hard cap on NIL, but will does make major changes.

Any NIL deal over $600 has to be approved by the clearinghouse for "fair market value." So even though its not technically a cap, it basically is.

Then I can guarantee you it will be rejected by the judge. Anything that limits NIL is against the law. It’s a crime to do so. So that part will be rejected guaranteed.

 

[TheOriginalCane]

- There have been rumors about certain players on the roster, and these things can change fast, but Miami feels good about where they're at in terms of roster retention.

I think it's funny how most people just blew past this bullet point...

 

[TheOriginalCane]

Slot depth in no order:

1. Malachi Toney
2. Ny Carr
3. Joshia Trader
4. Ray Ray Joseph.

Outside depth in no order:

1. CJ Daniels
2. Josh Moore
3. Joshia Trader
4. Daylyn Upshaw
5. Chance Robinson



AKA --- we're plentiful at Slot and poor at Outside.

While the comp to X is cool -- ain't no way in Namath we should take Pena with our remaining priorities.

This did not age well...

 

[DMoney]

Can someone who’s put eyes on Toney more than once give me an honest eval? I know it’s mostly projection at this point, but I keep hearing he’s special, start day 1, etc (aka classic Greentree All-American talk).

Maybe I’m wrong, but I swear I heard the same about Ray Ray and a bunch before him. Is there some reason to think this guy is different? Or is he just the new “new guy” that’s obviously better than the old guy because, well, he’s new?

I follow recruiting some (not as much as I used to since things started changing), and I know he balled in HS…but so do most of these guys.

Toney produced more consistently than RayRay at the same age. It's a small sample of just one spring, so take it with a grain of salt. Toney is more advanced as a receiver (RayRay was a RB) and really unique in terms of football IQ.

I think there is more trust in Toney than the average freshman because of his combination of natural instincts/IQ and preparation. In terms of his game, very good quickness, feel for space and ability to adjust to the ball.

 

[Canesfan1993]

Pena made our “freshman all AA CB” look like he was in HS, lined up on the outside btw. He punked our entire secondary, and is of of the leading returning WRs in America and one of the best in the conference. It’s like you all are waiting on Jeremiah Smith to enter, that isn’t happening. But okay, when we end up with a guy who had 36 catches at Western Kentucky last year, but he is 6’5 and “noT a SlOT”, I don’t want to hear ****.


and please, if Lambert or Badger were the guys, everyone would still be complaining and saying those aren’t impact guys either. If they are, PLEASE entertain me and tell me how they are, but Pena isn’t?

exactly. Same people who put their nose off to secondary guys last jan and then were surprised when our corners couldn't stop a cold once OCs had game tape on them. This years LB core is last years secondary. Book it.

 

[TheOriginalCane]

Am I wrong?

Yes.