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I would want the ACC to take Baylor as well. Each of the 3 might wanna add a TX school which is TCU and T Tech along with Baylor.
 
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supacane said:
I would want the ACC to take Baylor as well. Each of the 3 might wanna add a TX school which is TCU and T Tech along with Baylor.
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I have a feeling that after the dust settles those three migrate to the AAC. Already Texas schools there....Houston & SMU.
 
OriginalCanesCanesCanes said:
You can tell who the SEC homers are in this thread, that’s for sure.

If you think this is all there’s going to be to this alliance, you are sadly mistaken. This is just the first step.

But you SEC fūckboys boys keep shltting on it, I know you’re shook as ****.

The rest of college football is not going stand by while the SEC tries to crowd every other team out of the goodies.

Like I said this is just the first step.

Do you think the greatest minds in graduate and postgraduate education are going to let a bunch of low class SEC rednecks run things? College football is big business in the better schools as well, the schools with smarter people, and higher admission standards. Just as it is in the low rent admit-anybody SEC.

Like I said before, the law of unintended consequences has got its foot about a third of the way up the SEC’s ***.

Your move, SEC
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You can also tell who is delusional…I’d love to hear specifics about how this is going to stick it to the sec. you call them low class rednecks but all they’ve done the last 15 years is enhance their brand, profile and power In college football While The “greatest minds“ are still talking about student athletes and research institutions.

“The alliance will ensure that the educational outcomes and experiences for student-athletes participating at the highest level of collegiate athletics will remain the driving factor in all decisions moving forward."

And this amazing alliance, pushed by the least powerful conference in p5 by a huge margin, is going to make A difference? Ok. this is likely the new pac 12 commish’s attempt to survive and try to help his schools by latching onto the second and third most powerful conferences in the country
 
Just for information purposes, OSU posted their OOC schedule through the next 10 years. They have scheduled a PAC 10 or ACC for almost every year:

-21 Oregon (would have played Oregon in 2020 also)
-22 & 23 Notre Dame
-24 & 25 Washington
26 & 27 - Boston College


In addition, OSU plays the following SEC teams during those years:

25 & 26 - Texas
27 & 28 - alabama
30 & 31 - Georgia
 
And half of the board needs to read this book:

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Hoyacane1620 said:
From a Yahoo Sports article, predating the announcement today. Here are some of their speculations based on what they have heard:

-An agreement where each football team in the three conferences would play one opponent from each of the other two leagues on an annual basis. In most cases, the opponents would rotate. This could help maximize revenue in upcoming television deals for the Big Ten and Pac-12, which have expiring media rights deals in upcoming seasons. (The Big Ten deal is through the 2022 football season and the Pac-12 through the 2023 football season.)

Under such a plan, the Big Ten could drop its conference schedule from nine games to eight, and require each school to play one game against an ACC and a Pac-12 team each year. Wisconsin, for example, would play Virginia and Oregon one year, Florida State and UCLA the next. Big Ten schools would be allowed to schedule the additional non-conference games as they see fit.

  • If adopted, the Big Ten’s conference season would consist of six games within either the East or West Division and two crossover games. There are currently three crossover games.
  • ACC teams, which already play eight conference games, would schedule a Big Ten and a Pac-12 opponent annually.
  • The Pac-12, which currently has nine league games, would consider dropping down to eight as well, or just use two of the three non-conference games in the Alliance.
  • Any Big Ten or Pac-12 team already playing Notre Dame, which has its own scheduling deal with the ACC, would be able to count the Irish as its ACC opponent. (Pac-12 members USC and Stanford have annual series with Notre Dame. Big Ten programs Michigan, Michigan State, Ohio State and Purdue also have future series scheduled with the Irish.)

The ACC adding value to its television rights is the tricky part, as it is stuck in a lopsided deal with ESPN until 2036 that it signed in order to obtain a television network. The Alliance is not expected to help the conference get out of the ESPN deal.
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Purely hypothetical question to the corporate attorneys here. If more comes out about the ESPN being in cahoots with the SEC and trying to unwind the Big12 behind the scenes, could the ACC sue ESPN for acting in bad faith and get out of the contract?
 
Miami[]_[]Smoke said:
Who owns the acc tv rights and the acc network?
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That's my point. ESPN is lobbying for and on behalf of the SEC while owning stakes in other conferences. Why shouldn't the other folks take this problem on?

I would not find it surprising if one day we find out that ESPN got kick-backs for all the sunshine pumping they've been doing for SEC--unethical acts whether from shady lucrative tv deals to influencing national polling for playoff berths and everything in between. Not one bit surprised.

In real-estate terms, this is dual agency. Would you buy a house through an agent who is also representing the buyer? I wouldn't.

If this "Alliance" materializes into anything worth their salt they'll address/eliminate this sports' biggest problems now while they have a chance. This is college sports "US Constitution Article V" moment. There is certainly appetite to keep sports competitive and make things better. Hope they seize on that opportunity.
 
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QuattroCane said:
I have to disagree, on a national level no one cares about WVU vs Pitt...IMO.
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National #'s are an old mans game. There is too much endless on demand entertainment content available these days to only focus on "national" brands. You have to fight for every click every viewer on the local level on up.
 
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wspcane said:
Purely hypothetical question to the corporate attorneys here. If more comes out about the ESPN being in cahoots with the SEC and trying to unwind the Big12 behind the scenes, could the ACC sue ESPN for acting in bad faith and get out of the contract?
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America it the land of entitlement. You can sue for anything.
 
Mnhurricane said:
This alliance won’t kill off the sec but it will prevent them from killing us. ESPN feeling the boiling water under their balls is worth it in itself. Be nice to see the monopoly end. Let’s just hope we revenue share to some extent with contracts
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Sankey doesn't think so.
 
Canestomp said:
That's my point. ESPN is lobbying for and on behalf of the SEC while owning stakes in other conferences. Why shouldn't the other folks take this problem on?

I would not find it surprising if one day we find out that ESPN got kick-backs for all the sunshine pumping they've been doing for SEC--unethical acts whether from shady lucrative tv deals to influencing national polling for playoff berths and everything in between. Not one bit surprised.

In real-estate terms, this is dual agency. Would you buy a house through an agent who is also representing the buyer? I wouldn't.

If this "Alliance" materializes into anything worth their salt they'll address/eliminate this sports' biggest problems now while they have a chance. This is college sports "US Constitution Article V" moment. There is certainly appetite to keep sports competitive and make things better. Hope they seize on that opportunity.
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Define “lobbying for” and who they are lobbying to, because they are doing the same thing for the acc and they own all of the acc football rights. You're implying they only lobby for the sec and NOt the acc, even though they currently have more stake in the acc than the sec. It’s NOt the same as dual agency, it’s more like a realtor Selling multiple properties they have a stake in. They also Are the buyer in this analogy
 
wspcane said:
Purely hypothetical question to the corporate attorneys here. If more comes out about the ESPN being in cahoots with the SEC and trying to unwind the Big12 behind the scenes, could the ACC sue ESPN for acting in bad faith and get out of the contract?
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No, What does one have to do with the other? We signed the tv Rights and acc network deal 5 years ago.

edit: sure you could sue but it would be without merit and you’d be ****ing away money
 
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supacane said:
I would want the ACC to take Baylor as well. Each of the 3 might wanna add a TX school which is TCU and T Tech along with Baylor.
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Why not just take every random school possible? Taking schools merely based on them being in a particular geographic area, regardless of fit, or potential for revenue is how the Big East ended up getting destroyed. The ACC should take a school like WVU, because 1) It makes geographic sense, 2)They have an existing tie in to the conference and 3)It helps consolidate the east coast media markets. TTU, Baylor and SMU/TCU does none of those, because those schools are afterthoughts in their own markets. Take it from someone who grew up in Dallas and has multiple relatives that are alums of SMU, SMU football, even when times are great are still a distant 3rd to TAMU and UT in Dallas, and that's if you don't include the Cowboys. Keep in mind, the last time SMU was consistently good, the Stars hadn't come to town, and the Mavs were an expansion franchise.

The ACC should be looking at add quality, not quantity, while also making sure that the OOC matchups from this alliance are ones that move the needle. With compelling TV matchups and the increased revenue that should result, this deal should work out well for programs like Miami, FSU and others who aren't able to consistently count on huge, committed donor pools.
 
Miami[]_[]Smoke said:
You can also tell who is delusional…I’d love to hear specifics about how this is going to stick it to the sec. you call them low class rednecks but all they’ve done the last 15 years is enhance their brand, profile and power In college football While The “greatest minds“ are still talking about student athletes and research institutions.

“The alliance will ensure that the educational outcomes and experiences for student-athletes participating at the highest level of collegiate athletics will remain the driving factor in all decisions moving forward."

And this amazing alliance, pushed by the least powerful conference in p5 by a huge margin, is going to make A difference? Ok. this is likely the new pac 12 commish’s attempt to survive and try to help his schools by latching onto the second and third most powerful conferences in the country
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I stopped reading after the first sentence, SEC homer.

Don’t bother responding - I know where your head is at.

Thanks for showing yourself.

Here let me make you feel comfortable: SEC SEC SEC
 
Look, because a lot of you are simps, this might go over your heads. This will have caught the SEC off guard.

The SEC is picking conferences apart, and what this does effectively puts a stop to it. I can see this start to allow conferences to re-negotiate their media contracts to collude and work with networks to pull more and more money to schools. The NCAA has given the power 5 conferences autonomy over a variety of areas related to sports. This effectively protects the power 5, playoff system, even the NCAA as a whole from the SEC running away and starting their own college sports league.

The three conferences (the weakest of them being the pac 12 right now) all can come together to schedule each other, taking a non conf game that would have went to group of 5 or even a lower tier team, and replace with a power 5 opponent. This immediately adds 1-2 regionally/nationally televised games to each team's schedule, increases strength of schedule, allows these teams to recruit better because of better matchups AND most importantly REQUEST MORE MONEY FROM THEIR MEDIA PARTNERS.

The other conferences need more money to battle the SEC. This keeps the SEC honest and is probably the best thing that the major conferences could have done during the past 10 years or so of SEC runaway success and revenue.
 
I can't find the exact quote but I read a short article after the press conference today that said the "Alliance" owns 37 of the top 50 media markets.
 
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