"The Alliance"

Why not just take every random school possible? Taking schools merely based on them being in a particular geographic area, regardless of fit, or potential for revenue is how the Big East ended up getting destroyed. The ACC should take a school like WVU, because 1) It makes geographic sense, 2)They have an existing tie in to the conference and 3)It helps consolidate the east coast media markets. TTU, Baylor and SMU/TCU does none of those, because those schools are afterthoughts in their own markets. Take it from someone who grew up in Dallas and has multiple relatives that are alums of SMU, SMU football, even when times are great are still a distant 3rd to TAMU and UT in Dallas, and that's if you don't include the Cowboys. Keep in mind, the last time SMU was consistently good, the Stars hadn't come to town, and the Mavs were an expansion franchise.

The ACC should be looking at add quality, not quantity, while also making sure that the OOC matchups from this alliance are ones that move the needle. With compelling TV matchups and the increased revenue that should result, this deal should work out well for programs like Miami, FSU and others who aren't able to consistently count on huge, committed donor pools.
Getting on local tv in TX is good for the other programs like us. A&M was never ever close to TX until they move to the SEC. U also had teams like Rutgers and Missouri who got accepted to new conferences while not being really good at anything in particular other than being in an area that gave the conference new footprints.
 
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Watching Packer & Durham this morning. They have spent a lot of the broadcast having guests come on and talk about this situation. I'll try to put a brief recap together here in a bit. Bottom line I took away is there are others in the background involved in this, advising the current Big 10, Pac 12 and ACC commissioners, who have ties/allegiances to schools in the ACC. One is former Big 10 commissioner Jim Delaney and the other is a former ESPN President John Skipper, who is an alumni of UNC.

One of the biggest hurdles to the scheduling issue is the number of conference games AND the fact that so many OOC games are scheduled for a decade out. Games can always be cancelled , of course, for a price.
Fück Jim Delaney... of course he is involved in this...
 
Did I hear correctly that the 3 entities who did the research for the playoff expansion and made the suggestion to go to 12 teams were the SEC, Big XII, and ND? The Big 10, ACC, and PAC 12 had no say? How the **** did ND get that gig?

Sankey is an evil genius. He gets 1/3 say in the shape of the college football playoff, has ND on the committee as well who desperately wants an expanded playoff as they don't have a conference to help them get in, and the Big XII, who he is secretly negotiating with their 2 biggest members to move to the SEC. Pretty **** fishy.

It will be interesting to see how this alliance develops. With the way it was described today, nothing can be done for 5 years anyway since no one will be getting out of any existing contracts. Plus, they are talking about how these match ups will drive up TV contracts, but how does that affect the ACC? I believe the ACC is locked into their deal and that includes any OOC games that are played in ACC stadiums whether it is against Ohio State or Charleston Southern. Will all these OOC games with the Big 10 and PAC 12 be in neutral stadiums?
 
I stopped reading after the first sentence, SEC homer.

Don’t bother responding - I know where your head is at.

Thanks for showing yourself.

Here let me make you feel comfortable: SEC SEC SEC
Of course you did…and by doing that, you just proved you’re exactly what I said: delusional. Don’t let reality disturb your precious delusions. I love that you bash sec homers, which is ridiculously stupid to think that people are fans of a conference over a school. I would bet you on this topic but you’re way too much of a simpleton d-bag for me to care
 
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Did I hear correctly that the 3 entities who did the research for the playoff expansion and made the suggestion to go to 12 teams were the SEC, Big XII, and ND? The Big 10, ACC, and PAC 12 had no say? How the **** did ND get that gig?

Sankey is an evil genius. He gets 1/3 say in the shape of the college football playoff, has ND on the committee as well who desperately wants an expanded playoff as they don't have a conference to help them get in, and the Big XII, who he is secretly negotiating with their 2 biggest members to move to the SEC. Pretty **** fishy.

It will be interesting to see how this alliance develops. With the way it was described today, nothing can be done for 5 years anyway since no one will be getting out of any existing contracts. Plus, they are talking about how these match ups will drive up TV contracts, but how does that affect the ACC? I believe the ACC is locked into their deal and that includes any OOC games that are played in ACC stadiums whether it is against Ohio State or Charleston Southern. Will all these OOC games with the Big 10 and PAC 12 be in neutral stadiums?
Just like any large voting body, they assign smaller committees to investigate and make proposals. The expanded playoff hasn’t even been voted on yet, it’s only been proposed, and if schools or conferences don’t like it, they can vote it down. Like I said previously, everyone seemed to love a 12 team playoff until the Texas and ou news broke
 
I haven’t dont much research on the release today on the Alliance but read somewhere on Twitter there is no formal signed contact? So this is basically an Alliance until the SEC comes calling for whoever they want?
 
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I hope the ACC takes West Virginia if for no other reason than they belong in a power conference, and all this conference alignment nonsense is getting old. College football ought to be regional, like it used to be.
 
Getting on local tv in TX is good for the other programs like us. A&M was never ever close to TX until they move to the SEC. U also had teams like Rutgers and Missouri who got accepted to new conferences while not being really good at anything in particular other than being in an area that gave the conference new footprints.
TAMU dominated the state of Texas in the 90s under RC Slocum, and they were THE program in state. I grew up in Texas during that era, I remember Texas being utterly irrelevant to most people. It was TAMU that was running the old SWC and winning the Big XII, finishing seasons ranked in the Top 25. Texas was mediocre at best for most of the decade. Once the power shifted, TAMU went sideways. Problem was that TAMU completely went away from their program identity, and you saw Texas explode under Mack Brown.

Schools like Rutgers and Mizzou getting in isn't some glaring endorsement of anything good, it's just proof that in order to get Maryland and TAMU, they had to have someone come along, and they settled for two mediocre programs. Mizzou is in the SEC, collecting checks but not providing anything of value. Rutgers is doing the same thing in the B1G, frankly, the rest of the schools probably resent them because they don't grow the pie, they are only taking up space. The MOMENT the B1G can get ND or someone worth a ****, watch what happens with Rutgers, they will be booted.
 
Just like any large voting body, they assign smaller committees to investigate and make proposals. The expanded playoff hasn’t even been voted on yet, it’s only been proposed, and if schools or conferences don’t like it, they can vote it down. Like I said previously, everyone seemed to love a 12 team playoff until the Texas and ou news broke
No, not everyone was in love with a 12 team playoff. Many of us, myself included, think 12 is too many. Giving byes to the top 4 seeds is bs as well. To me, 8 is the ideal number - Power 5 champs, Best Group of 5 champ, and 2 at-large bids.

My point is Sankey pulling Texas and Oklahoma behind the scenes is duplicitous enough, but to do it while he is on a committee outlining the future of the playoff is really bad. I just wonder why they did it before the playoff was passed. Imagine if they passed the 12 team playoff and then a week later Texas and Oklahoma announce they are going to the SEC?
 
Here is a thought...

Sankey wants the "Alliance".

Why? Because he knows it is likely to turn into nothing more than a distraction for their members, not his.

Unless this new "whatever the ****" it is binds and pools resources and revenue streams, it will. not deilver anything to member institutions.

And when it doesn't and Sankey targets key members for future expansion.......
 
There are too many weekends in college football where there are zero good games.

If they do the scheduling right, they can have 2 + must-watch games every week with this new alliance.
 
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No, not everyone was in love with a 12 team playoff. Many of us, myself included, think 12 is too many. Giving byes to the top 4 seeds is bs as well. To me, 8 is the ideal number - Power 5 champs, Best Group of 5 champ, and 2 at-large bids.

My point is Sankey pulling Texas and Oklahoma behind the scenes is duplicitous enough, but to do it while he is on a committee outlining the future of the playoff is really bad. I just wonder why they did it before the playoff was passed. Imagine if they passed the 12 team playoff and then a week later Texas and Oklahoma announce they are going to the SEC?
I meant the people who actually make the decisions, the AD’s and commissioners. I realize that some fans didn’t like it because they can’t agree on anything. Some don’t want a playoff at all still and wish bowl games still mattered, so I was never making the assertion that all fans liked the 12 team playoff idea. And all reports have said that ou and Texas were talking together to try and get in the sec, then they formally asked to be invited. There’s been no reports of Sankey or other officials pulling them to the sec, probably because it would be stupid to do that 4 years before they could actually join
 
I meant the people who actually make the decisions, the AD’s and commissioners. I realize that some fans didn’t like it because they can’t agree on anything. Some don’t want a playoff at all still and wish bowl games still mattered, so I was never making the assertion that all fans liked the 12 team playoff idea. And all reports have said that ou and Texas were talking together to try and get in the sec, then they formally asked to be invited. There’s been no reports of Sankey or other officials pulling them to the sec, probably because it would be stupid to do that 4 years before they could actually join
Nothing has changed with the bowl games. They actually matter more because they are used for the playoffs. Also i cant believe people watch the pros, high school football and other divisions of college football and still parrott the nonsense that playoffs makes games irrelevant. It actually keep more teams motivated. In the BCS by a couple a weeks people are praying 1 or 2 teams get upset. Teams sitting at #7 undefeated has no chance unless catastrophe happened. It was the dumbest system of deciding a champion ever. Which was highly influenced by preseason polls.
 
Nothing has changed with the bowl games. They actually matter more because they are used for the playoffs. Also i cant believe people watch the pros, high school football and other divisions of college football and still parrott the nonsense that playoffs makes games irrelevant. It actually keep more teams motivated. In the BCS by a couple a weeks people are praying 1 or 2 teams get upset. Teams sitting at #7 undefeated has no chance unless catastrophe happened. It was the dumbest system of deciding a champion ever. Which was highly influenced by preseason polls.
So 2 bowl games matter, the other 42 don’t unless you’re a g5 school in a ny6 game
 
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I meant the people who actually make the decisions, the AD’s and commissioners. I realize that some fans didn’t like it because they can’t agree on anything. Some don’t want a playoff at all still and wish bowl games still mattered, so I was never making the assertion that all fans liked the 12 team playoff idea. And all reports have said that ou and Texas were talking together to try and get in the sec, then they formally asked to be invited. There’s been no reports of Sankey or other officials pulling them to the sec, probably because it would be stupid to do that 4 years before they could actually join
It has been reported Texas and OU made overtures to the SEC beginning in December 2020. You don't think the SEC wasn't vetting them during that time? You really think the SEC didn't look to see if Oklahoma and Texas would be a fit until they sent in their formal invites in late July?

The playoff proposal was announced on 6/10/21. Sankey was genius and diabolical. I think you are giving way too much of a benefit of the doubt. By the way, it's nothing that the other conference commissioners wouldn't do if they had the chance.
 
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