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The # 1 Problem with UM football from 2003 to present

PanamaCityCanes said:
"You must want........."

The logic is so bad around here. I didn't say what I want. I just don't want a guy who doesn't win titles. He's a 4 loss coach.
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You discredit he's won 8, 9, 10 games with less talent. I'm not talking about in the MAC either. It's schematics mainly. We need a spread offense. Period.
 
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Biggest probably is we hire sh't coaches with ****** schemes that don't put us in a position to excel.

Also, the administration doesn't care whether we win at a high level or not. They're fine cashing conference checks brought in due to revenue sharing. There's no incentive to have a dominant program anymore.
 
CANEMC said:
You discredit he's won 8, 9, 10 games with less talent. I'm not talking about in the MAC either. It's schematics mainly. We need a spread offense. Period.
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Less talent than what? Any coach who is good at recruiting can get kids to go anywhere. Why does he still have talent excuses in year 8?
 
DMoney said:
The biggest problem is that none of our coaches from 2003-2018 are currently employed as head coaches.

The only one who even got another head coaching job was Coker at UTSA. And he had a title on his resume.
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And that falls on the lap of the BOT.
 
RiDLer80 said:
Biggest probably is we hire sh't coaches with ****** schemes that don't put us in a position to excel.

Also, the administration doesn't care whether we win at a high level or not. They're fine cashing conference checks brought in due to revenue sharing. There's no incentive to have a dominant program anymore.
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If they cared about winning, they would do something about the putrid officiating we ALWAYS get at the hands of ACC officials. We are their sacrificial lamb. They use us to pack their stadiums, then they ***** us with every bad call imaginable to help their NC schools.
 
PanamaCityCanes said:
Less talent than what? Any coach who is good at recruiting can get kids to go anywhere. Why does he still have talent excuses in year 8?
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With less talent than Miami has and is in our backyard. If you can't comprehend that, then read slower.
 
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CANEMC said:
With less talent than Miami has and is in our backyard. If you can't comprehend that, then read slower.
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Ah, the old "we have more talent because we have the U on our helmet" philosophy. That's problem #1 with the Miami fanbase.

You missed the question: why does he have talent issues? What makes you think he can outrecruit people here if he can't get talent into his own program?
 
Innovation is the product of necessity. Teams that have way more talent and dominate never bother being innovative until they start to lose. Nick Saban thought the spread was a gimmick and even complained that the hurry up should be outlawed. Then, spread hurry-up teams started beating him. Now his team runs one of those types of offenses. He has the horses to play the plodding, 30 year old, pro style and still win pretty much every game. He upgraded to a more modern system because it gives him an even better chance to win.
 
g8rh8rMD said:
Our problem is not DLine either. And our problem is maybe not playcalling, per se, but it is offensive scheme.

Unless we are going to start spreading bags around, we're going to need to go to a spread. There's no reason we can't do what UCF does, and do it better, a lot better.
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Man fa real this post is SOOOO underrated! UCF over there doing SOOOOO much with so little it's crazy AF.
 
Seantrel Henderson, Justin Renfrow, Eric Winston, Brandon Linder, Danny Isidora, Ereck Flowers, Shane McDermott, and Jon Feliciano.

We have 8 OL on NFL rosters right now. While I don’t disagree that our offensive line is an annual turnstile - and opposing D Lines mine as well start every play in the backfield - there doesn’t seem to be much wrong with the talent.
 
DMoney said:
The biggest problem is that none of our coaches from 2003-2018 are currently employed as head coaches.

The only one who even got another head coaching job was Coker at UTSA. And he had a title on his resume.
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Amen. This wasn't a "well it didn't work out here" issue, they're all washed up. TE's coach of a bad franchise, DC of a G5, retired, retired. I think admin is the problem, and some of that problem is the quality of hire... amongst other things
 
ThomasM said:
Wisconsin has had 9 ten win seasons since 2005. We've had one.
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And don't forget, Wisconsin has defeated Miami soundly on Miami's turf and BYTCHED SLAPPED Miami on a cold field at Yankee Stadium. OUCH!

Also, mighty Wisconsin's offensive line DOMINATED Miami's front seven in both games. Yikes. So, yes Miami's offensive offensive line is one aspect, among others, of what's ailing Miami now, and for the past fourteen seasons.
 
PanamaCityCanes said:
Ah, the old "we have more talent because we have the U on our helmet" philosophy. That's problem #1 with the Miami fanbase.

You missed the question: why does he have talent issues? What makes you think he can outrecruit people here if he can't get talent into his own program?
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He took the leftovers from Texas, A&M, TCU and won. Same thing he's doing at Washington State. He takes what the California schools don't want (including JUCOs), Oregon doesn't buy and whatever Washington doesn't sign. Plug and play.

Nine TDs in one game is crazy. Jarren doesn't even have that in 4 games surrounded by NFL talent at TE and WR.

I'm still waiting to hear who we need to hire though. Newsflash...we can't afford Saban.
 
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CaneDogX said:
Miami is known to be a hot-bed of skilled players. 5 Star, skilled athletes at nearly every school in Dade/Broward county. Positions like WR, FS, RB, etc. Teams like Alabama, Ohio State, Clemson come to south Florida and cherry pick our athletes but Miami can match big schools recruiting athletes like Pope, Lingard, Thomas, etc. Recruiting classes are always top 10// top 20. However, the fundamental problem with Miami since 2003 is more than just our coordinators, or play-calling or our coaching.

What do Ohio State, Clemson, OU and Alabama have in common.. year after year. Their QBs change, their RBs change... yet they still dominate. Why?

The # 1 problem with UM football is we do not prioritize our OL. South Florida is deep with speed and skill but not deep with big uglies. Top schools always dominate the line of scrimmage. So we can go on about our talent and recruiting classes, our QB play but we're not landing top OL and DL.

When was the last time we had a dominate OL and DL? I'd say it was 2000, 2001. We continually target these athletes yet Wisconsin dominates us twice... with nowhere near the athletes. We have more 'skill' and more 'athletes' then every team we play.. yet we lose. Why? Because our we're not prioritizing the OL. This year is just another example of misguided recruiting.
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Good write up, but that's not our biggest problem at UM, the biggest problem UM has always had is idiotic administrations, they were glad and happy about the football success and the revenue it was generating but never cared for the guys who brought that success to the school. So from jimmy to erickson, the powers that be from the inside and the powers from the outside always sought out to curve the attitude and mindset of Miami players. So when itch davis came in, that's all he talked about was "changing the culture" but ill give butch credit, he came in saying **** that ****ed us off, but he actually recruited guys that didnt necessarily fit tbe mold of what he was saying. The administration triec to get stupid with jimmy, he wasnt having it, they tried to get stupid with erickson, he dipped out, itch davis, the administration didnt like the players on the team although butch recruited goons, the only thing butch did do was curve the on field behaviour, which ****ed us off but since the team became dominant, it was the same high level of play without the Miami style celebrations. So in comes troll shalala, her whole agenda was to castrate the football program big 10 style, and while she played the game, let, you'll see where the players were doing things like rolling one of her pants leg up, introducing her to a world she knew nothing about, but let's be real, you not gone find to many females in Life who can understand this ****, let alone alot of males, this is the type of **** that put fear in people, especially when its not fake or manufactured hype:



You got people in male body's that scared of this type ****, so you already know a troll like shalala would be terrorized, hit stick and bust ****, lol! So the fix was in, davis leaves, than the uncle fester with the skelator mix took over, i lost all respect when that **** started blaming others and scapegoating than straight up lied to real coaches and tried to lie to us after the "Black monday" situation. I said it way back when, he just destroyed UM football as we know it, why, because UM football has always been about local coaches, former players that coached or coaches who were connected to the dominant years of UM football and just Miami football before UM period. That stupid mf'er disconnected almost all of it, coach shannon was basically the last link, but he didnt hire the right guys, and than wasnt given the budget to get guys he wanted. Had coach shannon been able to get trestman or dirk koetter back in the fold, we would've way better off than with patrick nix and whipple. You dont just get rid of cornerstone coaches like a kehoe and coach soldinger along with heargreaves and expect to see UM football, than he hired bums, but come the press conference this liar hollers out, "we are a better coaching today than we were yesterday, we have better teachers, etc etc", somebody should've went up their and slapped his *** for saying that. Here you coach kehoe with countless successful. Players on his resume, coach soldinger and the run he had at runningbacks, but that dumb mf'er brings in some scrubs but tries to tell whoever listening they were better, crying shame for those who believed that.


Than entered the penn disgrace morons who were right up troll shalala's alley, the penn disgrace culture she kept trying to build here, and you saw those morons cutting True freshmen and redshirt freshmen left and right, not even giving them a chance to grow up and mature, than the recruiting direction/focus consistently saw schalorships that should mainly be going to our local homegrown talent being sent further up north. Keep in mind, she already tried to hire barry alvarez to be the a.d. here. And after, like one of my boys use to call em, "the toyota man" a.k.a. kirby locutt left, in came flake james, another yes man castrated by the troll, so when he tried to step to coach richt about changing the staff coach richt wasnt having it and basically told flake to GTFOH with that bullshat and rightfully so, this man comes in and in 3yrs, he's coach of the year, True coastal division champs, ACC championship game, bowl win, recruitings up, no losing seasons, built the roster back to respectable, ran gumbo fisher out of town, anyway.

If yall remember or recorded old games, troll shalala actually did a UM infomercial where she actually said in it, "we're recruiting a different type of athlete to the University of Miami" when i heard it, yeah, the losing kind! F that mf'er and that **** bullshat, like we didnt know she was trying to send out a smoke signal to try and let others know its safe to come here now. And not long after we started putting the press on, they took that disrespectful **** down. But the recruiting focus had already been shifted away from what made Miami great, and once oscar cryer, saban and gumbo got into place, they took full advantage of it and started capping off their programs with top guys from here. Keep in mind, all this going on while only basically one or 2 older players were allowed to roam the sidelines, but they letting who i got no problem with, but d-wade and bron on the sidelines, ****'s who aint got **** to do with this program and couldnt help it, tells you how warped **** was round here.

Fast foward, in comes coach richt, that was an important hire just on connection and bringing back authenticy to the program alone, than he brings in coach rumph and coach diaz, i always thought his biggest mistake was going with stacy over kehoe, but they came up together and coach richt seems like the type that hasnt let certain thangs go from back than, no matter how young they were, lol. But had kehoe stayed, the chemistry between him and coach rumph would've been felt without them even saying a word. Than when he brought in coach diaz, that Triangle of coach richt, rumph and diaz, 2 guys who was a part of and played in the True Miami culture at its pinnacle, and 1 guy in coach diaz who was born & raised growing up knowing what real UM football is suppose to look like and be about, so in the 3 years that coach richt was steering the ship, you could see almost everything we needed to see coming back.

So coach dips out, in comes manny, who wisely kept coach rumph on board, so now we got only 1 guy with a playing connection and coach diaz and coach diaz didnt coach highschool football down here, but he's headcoach material, he's smart and seems to be crafty, but that's what luke was trying to get at em about! So he goes and gets guys like barry, enos, stubbefield, blaker, stroud and patke, that's not UM culture or style of play coaches. Coach hickson is from down here, so not alot should have to be explained to him, but im sure he's learning. We see the offense, no matter what criticisms people had of coach richt, it wasnt about big plays happening. In comes coach enos, what we are seeing is a different type of offensive attackand we see jt4's yrds per catch avg down to under 9yrds a catch when at one point it was up to 21yrds per catch. Point being, at the end of the day, what made Miami successful hadnt nothing to do with focusing on the o-line like other schools, you can make that case under coach davis but prior to, that was never the case.

Its much deeper than that, and what coach diaz more than likely bout to run into is, havng coaches who are going to have a hard time trying to understand the standard. Coach banda, he's one of us now though, he saw the Light, so we straight witn him here, so correction, we got coach rumph, diaz and banda to help instill the right culture here! I could go on, but Ill stop here.
 
CANEMC said:
He took the leftovers from Texas, A&M, TCU and won. Same thing he's doing at Washington State. He takes what the California schools don't want (including JUCOs), Oregon doesn't buy and whatever Washington doesn't sign. Plug and play.

Nine TDs in one game is crazy. Jarren doesn't even have that in 4 games surrounded by NFL talent at TE and WR.

I'm still waiting to hear who we need to hire though. Newsflash...we can't afford Saban.
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Leftovers? Serious people don't believe that. Good recruiters get the talent they want in year eight. Nine TDs? Awesome. How many did his team allow? FYI......they lost a game in which they threw 9 TD passes.

Who we need to hire? There isn't an opening.
 
CaneDogX said:
Miami is known to be a hot-bed of skilled players. 5 Star, skilled athletes at nearly every school in Dade/Broward county. Positions like WR, FS, RB, etc. Teams like Alabama, Ohio State, Clemson come to south Florida and cherry pick our athletes but Miami can match big schools recruiting athletes like Pope, Lingard, Thomas, etc. Recruiting classes are always top 10// top 20. However, the fundamental problem with Miami since 2003 is more than just our coordinators, or play-calling or our coaching.

What do Ohio State, Clemson, OU and Alabama have in common.. year after year. Their QBs change, their RBs change... yet they still dominate. Why?

The # 1 problem with UM football is we do not prioritize our OL. South Florida is deep with speed and skill but not deep with big uglies. Top schools always dominate the line of scrimmage. So we can go on about our talent and recruiting classes, our QB play but we're not landing top OL and DL.

When was the last time we had a dominate OL and DL? I'd say it was 2000, 2001. We continually target these athletes yet Wisconsin dominates us twice... with nowhere near the athletes. We have more 'skill' and more 'athletes' then every team we play.. yet we lose. Why? Because our we're not prioritizing the OL. This year is just another example of misguided recruiting.
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#1 problem with Miami since 2003 has been coaching. This includes HC and Assistant Coaches. We’ve had the likes of Mark D Nofrio, Paul Williams, Patrick Nix, Jon Patke, Brendon Carroll, Taylor Stubblefield, Dan Werner.

As HC we’ve had coordinators, inexperienced low level, or retiring individuals. Shannon, Coker should have never been a HC at Miami, Golden wrong fit and we went cheap and Richt passed his generation. We are missing an individual who is a take control guy and knows how to do things successfully.

We hired older end of the road guys like Bill Young and Mark Whipple.

In early 2003-05 we at least had Mario Cristobal, Curtis Johnson, Randy Shannon and Rob Chudzinski as coordinators, but after that a huge drop off.

We’ve had a couple good guys like Kuhl, Coley and Pazzinzo who are well respected but not the innovating young coordinator that isn’t set on his ways and is open to evolving.

Manny was that coordinator but time will tell if he’s a good HC selection. But his staff right now won’t cut it
 
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