That's that, folks - A recap of where we stand

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Have a number of messages asking for my thoughts. Straight up, they're not special in any way. I haven't re-watched the game or charted the plays yet. I'm going off bigger picture stuff. Everyone saw what was obvious. Beyond that, it has mostly ALL been discussed. That's the really unfortunate part: none of this is new. It's just confirmation of past concerns.

Let's begin with 4 simple points:

1. TECHNICAL: The biggest concern has been discussed over the course of the last 3 seasons. Are we ever going to be technical enough?

The broader point is more important to me and probably more important to things going forward: it's my opinion that to win championships (our presumed goal), you need to be one step ahead of the competition these days analytically and from a prep/anticipation standpoint. Some of these decisions require extremely quick analysis. It's not clear to me that we have this type of person on staff. What do others think? If we do, some of our in-game decisions (especially when we're on the opponent's side of the field in no-man's land) have been curious during Golden's tenure. I think this absolutely will matter if we get a bunch of talent and end up in a 2-game series to win the Championship.

This was written 11/11/13 here: http://www.canesinsight.com/threads/58889-A-look-at-Coach-Golden-s-8-pillars-Football-Scenario/page4

My concern continues to grow because the game is becoming so fast and so much about information that, yes, talent will always help, but we don't seem to have enough (any?) technical guys driving these key elements of an evolving game. I'm not saying or expecting to be at the cusp of innovation (though it'd be nice to see). I'm saying I'd like to see us move away from the conservative end. Maybe they did that because of an undeniable lack of talent at spots. I don't know. Maybe that's just their DNA.

This was written 05/10/14 here: http://www.canesinsight.com/threads/75419-Jimbo-Fisher-on-NFL-Network-What-does-it-mean-for-us

2. VALUES: I've continuously harped on what we "value." Why? Because it's a real emphasis on our players' time/resources. I know this because it was mentioned to me by players directly. The vaunted binder. They're texted with quotes about process. The abstract pillars (values). That's the reality of our program. It can work, but there has to be substance (winning) behind it. We've broken up those pillars in the past and self-examined:

They have an attitude (as it was noted in context to the "attitude pillar"). It's just to "stay in the bunker; good things will happen" approach. I think that's reflected in almost everything we do. My biggest concern is that Coach Golden's coaching tree has a very rigid approach and methodology. That's always been a concern for me.

This was written 11/11/13 here: http://www.canesinsight.com/threads/58889-A-look-at-Coach-Golden-s-8-pillars-Football-Scenario/page4

(the above link is actually a spectacular thread I hope gets revived and continued throughout Golden's tenure)

3. COACHING METRICS: How do we try to measure our coaches? Why do I feel this is an ongoing problem?

I think there's a way to objectively measure coaches: do they or do they not get the "whole to equal more than the sum of its parts?"

This was written 11/12/13 here: http://www.canesinsight.com/threads/58889-A-look-at-Coach-Golden-s-8-pillars-Football-Scenario/page4

Unfortunately, that's not really the metric that will make the biggest difference for us. I think everyone can agree the defense will look better with better players in it. The key is "will they play above or beneath their collective talent level?" That's the heart of the matter. My personal opinion is certain things need to be adjusted for that to occur. Others disagree. We'll see what the coaching staff decides. As I said during the year, I don't doubt they are aware of their options.

This was written 03/03/14 here: http://www.canesinsight.com/threads/74426-Barry-Jackson-on-D-Onofrio/page4

4. ADJUSTMENTS: Do I really think any of this will change? Do I think Golden is *likely* here for a longer haul unless something "disastrous" (as perceived by administration) happens? Will he adjust his philosophy?

The problem is that I think we're sticking with Coach Golden for the long haul. What he wants to do with this philosophy is another question. I've maintained throughout that I don't think this is some random "scheme" issue or a broken scheme in the sense that they're not aware of the decision they're making. On the contrary, the style with which we play defense and our overall approach are conscious decisions.

The philosophy right now seems to be "we'll make less mistakes and await mistakes from our opponents."


This was written on 11/03/13 here: http://www.canesinsight.com/threads/58314-My-rant/page4
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Let's sum this up by saying that we're going to be repeating ourselves a lot until the next "big" game. Up to this point, I've seen nothing to indicate a significant change in our approach. We may win some games here or there, but my concern has always been: "are we preparing ourselves to play above our individual talent level" when we get into those big games. Up to this point, I believe we have our players and their units look worse than what they really are.

As a friend text'd me before yesterday's game: hope is a dangerous thing.



 
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My Hope was shattered when we came out of halftime and ran the ball 6 times in a row with no creativity! I shook my head and said prepare for a "VERY LONG SEASON"
 
My Hope was shattered when we came out of halftime and ran the ball 6 times in a row with no creativity! I shook my head and said prepare for a "VERY LONG SEASON"

For me, that moment was somewhere between when I realized we were officially (I had heard from those watching practice) playing defense with the same principles and we had chosen a True Frosh QB only to treat him like he was playing with his off-arm.

It's the essence of "JUST HOLD THE ROPE and hope for a mistake from our opponent." It's no way to win important games. It's no way to max out some really talented individual players. We are hoping we grind our way to victories. This, again, is not new.
 
I realized we were ***ced in the VT game last year. then Dook happened. then UL-1 happened.

we were dead in the water before the season even started
 
No killer instinct and no willingness to repeat what worked. They had a first time starter, who clearly didn't protect the ball well under pressure. Blitz that guy mercilessly and trust your vaunted back end to hold up against huge plays and to be opportunistic in the event that he tosses it up for grabs. Instead, we got away from that and let him sit back there and be comfortable.

Offensively, we were a total joke. Al went Dean Smith 4 corners stall from the opening whistle hoping to kick FGs and win 13-10. Very timid sad approach to football.
 
It's the essence of "JUST HOLD THE ROPE and hope for a mistake from our opponent."

That is the prevailing philosophy in 8U and 9U Optimist football: don't give up big plays and make the other team snap the ball until they make a mistake. That should not be our philosophy, but, unfortunately, it seems to be what Al wants to do. We have the athletes to dictate the terms out there. Every time we decided to heat up Garner last night, we made a play. It's hard to watch Al squander the talent of the great athletes he and his staff have recruited.
 
No killer instinct and no willingness to repeat what worked. They had a first time starter, who clearly didn't protect the ball well under pressure. Blitz that guy mercilessly and trust your vaunted back end to hold up against huge plays and to be opportunistic in the event that he tosses it up for grabs. Instead, we got away from that and let him sit back there and be comfortable.

Offensively, we were a total joke. Al went Dean Smith 4 corners stall from the opening whistle hoping to kick FGs and win 13-10. Very timid sad approach to football.

The contrast between Al and Petrino from a philosophical standpoint was most stark at the end of the first half when Al was trying to run out the clock and Petrino prevented AL from doing it so Louisville could try to score more points. That was a terrible sequence for us. Al was clearly playing to not lose while Petrino was playing to win.
 
No killer instinct. Playing way beneath talent level. Poor offensive line play. Predictable. Unacceptable.
 
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I do not comprehend the logical rationale that Golden employed when he accepted Coley's game plan. If you are going to run an elementary, rudimentary offense that passes at most 10% of the time, you better be **** sure that you win the game. Golden approved a putrid offensive game plan, which has now highly demoralized the fanbase and the team. They played "beyond scared". Their approach to the offense was: "under no circumstances will we turn the ball over and we will simply run until we break through once or twice". Why not use 50% of the playbook and actually attempt to win.
 
No killer instinct and no willingness to repeat what worked. They had a first time starter, who clearly didn't protect the ball well under pressure. Blitz that guy mercilessly and trust your vaunted back end to hold up against huge plays and to be opportunistic in the event that he tosses it up for grabs. Instead, we got away from that and let him sit back there and be comfortable.

Offensively, we were a total joke. Al went Dean Smith 4 corners stall from the opening whistle hoping to kick FGs and win 13-10. Very timid sad approach to football.

Yep, this staff coaches scared. They don't even realize how to take advantage of the talent miss-matches we have. Can you imagine what Chris Petersen or Gary Patterson would do with the talent we have right now... it is really sad.
 
I realized we were ***ced in the VT game last year. then Dook happened. then UL-1 happened.

we were dead in the water before the season even started

Well, sure. A lot of the quotes above are from those time periods. But, ya know, there's always some [irrational, I am fan, after all] hope that an adjustment will be made. We had some new, delayed blitzes yesterday. That's not the type of change I was hoping for. I was hoping for a philosophy of disruption/attack. On offense, forget it. Nothing needs to be said. To quote UMJer, we watched "flag football" plays. When I saw us run the PA 7 step drop that got Dorsett that long TD against UF last year, I cringed. It was a moment where you realize "the OC just thought '****, what worked last year???' and grabbed a play."
 
No killer instinct and no willingness to repeat what worked. They had a first time starter, who clearly didn't protect the ball well under pressure. Blitz that guy mercilessly and trust your vaunted back end to hold up against huge plays and to be opportunistic in the event that he tosses it up for grabs. Instead, we got away from that and let him sit back there and be comfortable.

Offensively, we were a total joke. Al went Dean Smith 4 corners stall from the opening whistle hoping to kick FGs and win 13-10. Very timid sad approach to football.

The contrast between Al and Petrino from a philosophical standpoint was most stark at the end of the first half when Al was trying to run out the clock and Petrino prevented AL from doing it so Louisville could try to score more points. That was a terrible sequence for us. Al was clearly playing to not lose while Petrino was playing to win.

Sadly that is in corch's DnA.
 
No killer instinct and no willingness to repeat what worked. They had a first time starter, who clearly didn't protect the ball well under pressure. Blitz that guy mercilessly and trust your vaunted back end to hold up against huge plays and to be opportunistic in the event that he tosses it up for grabs. Instead, we got away from that and let him sit back there and be comfortable.

Offensively, we were a total joke. Al went Dean Smith 4 corners stall from the opening whistle hoping to kick FGs and win 13-10. Very timid sad approach to football.

That's what's so disheartening. Honestly, the guy would probably have some success in the old school Big Ten, but that isht ain't working in Miami. Sometimes things just aren't a good fit, and I'm thinking that what Al values/wants isn't a good fit for where he's at.
 
As a friend text'd me before yesterday's game: hope is a dangerous thing.


And as you you responded, "get busy living or get busy dying." It's so sad to me, because I want to be able to share this with my son so badly (lord know some of my best memories as a kid were watching the Canes with my old man), but the more this incompetence continues, the more irrelevant we become, and the more detached I (and I presume the entire fanbase) become. This program is once again on the precipice of permanent irrelevance. We're getting to the point of no return. For the first time in my adult life, I debated not renewing my season tickets this year. I'm already questioning the decision and thinking I probably won't next year.

Don't mean to give short shrift to what you wrote, because I think it's very well-thought out and put together and a great summary of where we are. But like you mentioned, none of it is new--it's all been discussed, ad nauseum. Like I wrote in K9's thread, I don't know where we go from here. Golden is the guy he's shown to be--four years in, he's not changing--and if he's not changing, why would anyone think the results will?

So so so depressing, man.
 
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As a friend text'd me before yesterday's game: hope is a dangerous thing.


And as you you responded, "get busy living or get busy dying." It's so sad to me, because I want to be able to share this with my son so badly (lord know some of my best memories as a kid were watching the Canes with my old man), but the more this incompetence continues, the more irrelevant we become, and the more detached I (and I presume the entire fanbase) become. This program is once again on the precipice of permanent irrelevance. We're getting to the point of no return. For the first time in my adult life, I debated not renewing my season tickets this year. I'm already questioning the decision and thinking I probably won't next year.

Don't mean to give short shrift to what you wrote, because I think it's very well-thought out and put together and a great summary of where we are. But like you mentioned, none of it is new--it's all been discussed, ad nauseum. Like I wrote in K9's thread, I don't know where we go from here. Golden is the guy he's shown to be--four years in, he's not changing--and if he's not changing, why would anyone think the results will?

So so so depressing, man.

Not to turn this into a pity party, but the truly ****ed part for me is that I am not as disappointed as I probably should be because of how I felt when I went to Orlando to watch LouisvilleDebacle I. That one left me at a loss for words. I guess I half expected it.

To talk football instead, I know some will disagree with this, but I think we have a decently talented (comparable to our conference) team.

Our skill positions looked awful yesterday because:

1) They were asked to do things they suck at doing (i.e. Stacy Coley is not Brandon Marshall; he's Desean Jackson)

2) We played our QB like if his right arm was sprained or perhaps even broken. WTF is the point of rolling the dice with the True Frosh if you're going to do that? This is NOT Seattle/SanFran and we do NOT have those defenses. Even those teams chose the younger guy to actually open up the field - not limit it.

3) Our OLine, despite having two guys who will likely play in the NFL next year and a Center starting for his 3rd year, looked awful. Not average. But, awful. You have to really wonder why. Do other teams in our conference or the AAC (last year) have OLine talent that is better? Have to really wonder if, acknowledging some dumb plays and missed blocks, they were also in a position to fail last night.
 
I realized we were ***ced in the VT game last year. then Dook happened. then UL-1 happened.

we were dead in the water before the season even started

Well, sure. A lot of the quotes above are from those time periods. But, ya know, there's always some [irrational, I am fan, after all] hope that an adjustment will be made. We had some new, delayed blitzes yesterday. That's not the type of change I was hoping for. I was hoping for a philosophy of disruption/attack. On offense, forget it. Nothing needs to be said. To quote UMJer, we watched "flag football" plays. When I saw us run the PA 7 step drop that got Dorsett that long TD against UF last year, I cringed. It was a moment where you realize "the OC just thought '****, what worked last year???' and grabbed a play."

Live in hope....die in despair.
I hate old adages.
 
No killer instinct and no willingness to repeat what worked. They had a first time starter, who clearly didn't protect the ball well under pressure. Blitz that guy mercilessly and trust your vaunted back end to hold up against huge plays and to be opportunistic in the event that he tosses it up for grabs. Instead, we got away from that and let him sit back there and be comfortable.

Offensively, we were a total joke. Al went Dean Smith 4 corners stall from the opening whistle hoping to kick FGs and win 13-10. Very timid sad approach to football.

The contrast between Al and Petrino from a philosophical standpoint was most stark at the end of the first half when Al was trying to run out the clock and Petrino prevented AL from doing it so Louisville could try to score more points. That was a terrible sequence for us. Al was clearly playing to not lose while Petrino was playing to win.

^^ THIS ^^

I was screaming at the TV at that point. And when they got the ball back I sad "watch: Petrino will go for it. He's not going to sit on a 4 point lead and head for the locker room."
 
The philosophy right now seems to be "we'll make less mistakes and await mistakes from our opponents."

This **** infuriates me the most about this staff. It's the root of all our problems, and it seems to be at the core of who Golden is.

Not gonna change anytime soon.
 
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