Terry Jefferson New CB coach

Nah. I just have to resort to "self-help" because the Maudes haven't said anything to him about getting into personal attacks.

To be clear, I'm not devastated by these personal attcks, I'd just like to see an even-handed application of behavioral standrards.
In all candor - I didn’t read the whole thing like where he attacked your family, which obviously isn’t nice, nor am I familiar with your and his history on the basketball board. I just pointed out that you’re seemingly in a battle with a new contestant each day. I’m happy to assume that each time you are 100% justified and they are all at fault. 💁🏻‍♂️
 
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In all candor - I didn’t read the whole thing like where he attacked your family, which obviously isn’t nice, nor am I familiar with your and his history on the basketball board. I just pointed out that you’re seemingly in a battle with a new contestant each day. I’m happy to assume that each time you are 100% justified and they are all at fault. 💁🏻‍♂️
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They have mostly Clemson guys filling out the staff and positional roles; not all were former Dabo players tho. They won doing it that way; so then to say that’s the same way he lost doesn’t make a ton of sense to me when his worst 3 year stretch he has had an outsider running his offense.

Chad Morris, who just returned, wasn’t a Clemson guy when Dabo hired him in the first place. His first two defensive coordinators were Kevin Steele then Brent Venerables who were not Clemson guys. He fired his 2 defensive co-coordinators after making the playoffs, then brought in Tom Allen; i can’t see that as a guy who is lost in his own hype.
You’re wrong because you’re basically only looking at this from the OC/DC viewpoint. Remove the coordinator role, and what does the staff look like over time? How many total coaches are in the building? The % that are sycophants/former players from Clemson has grown substantially over time. There is absolutely a trend line there and it’s inverse to their success

There is absolutely nothing wrong from promoting from within. That’s not what I’m saying. But Clemsons level of promoting from within is incestuous and a clear red flag. Us hiring Jefferson is NOTHING like that
 
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I mean there’s a few longterm posters on here, of which he is one, and one is the artist formerly known as Caneinorlando, plus a couple others, who have essentially been given a blanket pass by maudes because it’s become part of the makeup of this place. Like what would a thread with a critique of Butch be without CIO attacking the perpetrators??? 🤣 If we held them to the standards we hold others to they’d be in purgatory or banned for non-stop attacks. But most people know it’s not normal and laugh or 🤦🏻‍♂️ and move on.
 
In all candor - I didn’t read the whole thing like where he attacked your family, which obviously isn’t nice, nor am I familiar with your and his history on the basketball board. I just pointed out that you’re seemingly in a battle with a new contestant each day. I’m happy to assume that each time you are 100% justified and they are all at fault. 💁🏻‍♂️


Your assumptions are 100% correct. All is good.

If I have listened to all your posting advice lo these many years, then @cookies can similarly pull his **** together and absorb a bit of valid criticism of his ****porsts, without resorting to personal attacks.
 
You’re wrong because you’re basically only looking at this from the OC/DC viewpoint. Remove the coordinator role, and what does the staff look like over time? How many total coaches are in the building? The % that are sycophants/former players from Clemson has grown substantially over time. There is absolutely a trend line there and it’s inverse to their success

There is absolutely nothing wrong from promoting from within. That’s not what I’m saying. But Clemsons level of promoting from within is incestuous and a clear red flag. Us hiring Jefferson is NOTHING like that


If you haven't figured it out by now, he makes broad statements, and then comes back later to add qualifying comments to try to rehab what he said.

It's like when I gave him an example of a west coast team (USC) hosting a Big 10 team (Northwestern) at a reasonable "pre-dinner" timeslot, and then he suddenly started trying to limit his earlier comments to "ACC teams". As if that makes a difference.

Don't get sucked in here, he's a slippery little sucker who has a backpedal that rivals Neon Deion's. Now he is trying to tell you that he was only talking about OCs and DCs, when that wasn't what was said up front.

You and I don't have to agree all the time, but when you're right, you're right, and I give you full credit. Dabo has filled his staff with Clemson guys and he doesn't have sufficient contrasting viewpoints.
 
You’re wrong because you’re basically only looking at this from the OC/DC viewpoint. Remove the coordinator role, and what does the staff look like over time? How many total coaches are in the building? The % that are sycophants/former players from Clemson has grown substantially over time. There is absolutely a trend line there and it’s inverse to their success

There is absolutely nothing wrong from promoting from within. That’s not what I’m saying. But Clemsons level of promoting from within is incestuous and a clear red flag. Us hiring Jefferson is NOTHING like that
This is a BIG deal, tho. The coordinators call the shots, create styles, etc. Im not quite sure how we can remove coordinators from the equation.

Nevertheless, the point remains, he won with all these non-coordinators, Clemson staffers, around him. Even his down years, when talking about the most recent 3, he made the playoffs in one of those years. So if that has been a constant since he took-over, it’d be hard for me to conclude that the constant is the issue when he is the third longest tenured HC in the FBS. It hasn’t increased—it’s been that way from the get go.

As far as the relation to Jefferson, never said as much. And again i don’t know what promotions you are referring to since you’re describing all the non-coordinator roles. His staffers have coached elsewhere, had success elsewhere, etc. Some of the guys promoted from within weren’t even Clemson alums.
 
In all candor - I didn’t read the whole thing like where he attacked your family, which obviously isn’t nice, nor am I familiar with your and his history on the basketball board. I just pointed out that you’re seemingly in a battle with a new contestant each day. I’m happy to assume that each time you are 100% justified and they are all at fault. 💁🏻‍♂️
Nah. I just have to resort to "self-help" because the Maudes haven't said anything to him about getting into personal attacks.

To be clear, I'm not devastated by these personal attcks, I'd just like to see an even-handed application of behavioral standrards.

Seconding RVA's words above. I didn't read through all the back-and-forth this week and until I saw his post just now had no idea he attacked your family. (Also didn't know you two had bball beef.) People name-call all the time on here, so to be honest, I didn't think you (or he) were truly bothered.

"Self-help" isn't the only option though. We are just a DM away, and the Report button is right there.
 
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Seconding RVA's words above. I didn't read through all the back-and-forth this week and until I saw his post just now had no idea he attacked your family. (Also didn't know you two had bball beef.) People name-call all the time on here, so to be honest, I didn't think you (or he) were truly bothered.

"Self-help" isn't the only option though. We are just a DM away, and the Report button is right there.


****, even I didn't know we "had bball beef". Apparently I'm not allowed to discuss Miami's bizarre 25-year head-coach-hiring history and the pros and cons of various candidates without being labeled a "fanboy" of some random coach that I don't even care about.

Whether you choose to sort through past posts or not, I issued no ad hominem (or ad familia) attacks. I mocked his concerns over Stanford students, boosters,, and REFS being able to make it to a "pre-dinnertime" game on the Friday night of Labor Day.

@cookies then proceeded to lose his ****. It happens. We have a bunch of porsters whose mommies have never told them the truth. And who aren't prepared when other men stand up to them and don't back down. I've seen his type a million times before.

He's now trying to make "this" (whatever "this" is) into every other possible subject besides my criticism of his "waaaah, the Stanford students, the Stanford boosters, the ACC refs, the US Open tennis tournament" nonsense. I suspect he now realizes how silly his post was, but his ego won't let him admit it publicly.

All good.
 
The first time Dabo promoted from within was with Tony Elliot and Jeff Scott as co-OCs; the media made a big deal of it as if Clemson would not score points without Chad Morris. Hiring from within isn’t really the issue; nor is it being too sentimental to fire guys.

He quickly got rid of Brandon Streeter after Elliot went to UVA; then, brought in Garrett Riley to coordinate the offense the past three years.

The biggest causation for Clemson’s drop-off is the loss of Brent Venerables. Not using the transfer portal earlier on is an overstated causation as well. When Brent leaves, their scoring defense stops being consistently ranked in the top ten; with the infrequent exception during his tenure.

It’s Tom Allen’s defense now and fate of Dabo’s future depends on Allen doing a **** good job.
Folks read a little too much into my post. I have no problems with the hire. I don't think its a bad hire or a lazy hire, I was just surprised to see so many applaud hiring from within because it can become problematic. I remember reading an article from ESPN on Dabo's failures and a lot was pegged on Dabo promoting folks and it failing.
 
Folks read a little too much into my post. I have no problems with the hire. I don't think its a bad hire or a lazy hire, I was just surprised to see so many applaud hiring from within because it can become problematic. I remember reading an article from ESPN on Dabo's failures and a lot was pegged on Dabo promoting folks and it failing.


Valid points.

Clearly our 1st choice was an external hire, and our 2nd choice was an internal hire. As long as there is very little drop-off between the two, and "any other interested outside hire" is ranked at or below our 2nd choice, I'm fine with it.
 
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Folks read a little too much into my post. I have no problems with the hire. I don't think it’s a bad hire or a lazy hire, I was just surprised to see so many applaud hiring from within because it can become problematic. I remember reading an article from ESPN on Dabo's failures and a lot was pegged on Dabo promoting folks and it failing.
Roger that; and I didn’t believe you thought that when I replied. I locate Clemson’s failures elsewhere but that’s neither here nor there at this point.

As far as the applauding: I feel like people were tired of having the situation drag on for so long; even for Mario’s standards + the success we had with Scott and Poysner.
 
Yeah I’m quite unsure why some posters were talking about Terry needing to pull Wright to prove he could recruit. . . . . That ship is sailed now. That’s an unfair expectation.

Gabriel Osborne is the challenge ahead of us/him now.

I hope the Banks offer and interest is real. He's a stud as well.
 
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