Terry Jefferson New CB coach

[RVACane]

Nah. I just have to resort to "self-help" because the Maudes haven't said anything to him about getting into personal attacks.

To be clear, I'm not devastated by these personal attcks, I'd just like to see an even-handed application of behavioral standrards.

In all candor - I didn’t read the whole thing like where he attacked your family, which obviously isn’t nice, nor am I familiar with your and his history on the basketball board. I just pointed out that you’re seemingly in a battle with a new contestant each day. I’m happy to assume that each time you are 100% justified and they are all at fault.

 

[Angry Ibis]

In all candor - I didn’t read the whole thing like where he attacked your family, which obviously isn’t nice, nor am I familiar with your and his history on the basketball board. I just pointed out that you’re seemingly in a battle with a new contestant each day. I’m happy to assume that each time you are 100% justified and they are all at fault.

@RVACane trying not to call it, but @cookies got the lock on...

 

[Calinative]

They have mostly Clemson guys filling out the staff and positional roles; not all were former Dabo players tho. They won doing it that way; so then to say that’s the same way he lost doesn’t make a ton of sense to me when his worst 3 year stretch he has had an outsider running his offense.

Chad Morris, who just returned, wasn’t a Clemson guy when Dabo hired him in the first place. His first two defensive coordinators were Kevin Steele then Brent Venerables who were not Clemson guys. He fired his 2 defensive co-coordinators after making the playoffs, then brought in Tom Allen; i can’t see that as a guy who is lost in his own hype.

You’re wrong because you’re basically only looking at this from the OC/DC viewpoint. Remove the coordinator role, and what does the staff look like over time? How many total coaches are in the building? The % that are sycophants/former players from Clemson has grown substantially over time. There is absolutely a trend line there and it’s inverse to their success

There is absolutely nothing wrong from promoting from within. That’s not what I’m saying. But Clemsons level of promoting from within is incestuous and a clear red flag. Us hiring Jefferson is NOTHING like that

 

[RVACane]

@RVACane trying not to call it, but @cookies got the lock on...

I mean there’s a few longterm posters on here, of which he is one, and one is the artist formerly known as Caneinorlando, plus a couple others, who have essentially been given a blanket pass by maudes because it’s become part of the makeup of this place. Like what would a thread with a critique of Butch be without CIO attacking the perpetrators??? If we held them to the standards we hold others to they’d be in purgatory or banned for non-stop attacks. But most people know it’s not normal and laugh or and move on.

 

[TheOriginalCane]

In all candor - I didn’t read the whole thing like where he attacked your family, which obviously isn’t nice, nor am I familiar with your and his history on the basketball board. I just pointed out that you’re seemingly in a battle with a new contestant each day. I’m happy to assume that each time you are 100% justified and they are all at fault.

Your assumptions are 100% correct. All is good.

If I have listened to all your posting advice lo these many years, then @cookies can similarly pull his **** together and absorb a bit of valid criticism of his ****porsts, without resorting to personal attacks.

 

[TheOriginalCane]

You’re wrong because you’re basically only looking at this from the OC/DC viewpoint. Remove the coordinator role, and what does the staff look like over time? How many total coaches are in the building? The % that are sycophants/former players from Clemson has grown substantially over time. There is absolutely a trend line there and it’s inverse to their success

There is absolutely nothing wrong from promoting from within. That’s not what I’m saying. But Clemsons level of promoting from within is incestuous and a clear red flag. Us hiring Jefferson is NOTHING like that

If you haven't figured it out by now, he makes broad statements, and then comes back later to add qualifying comments to try to rehab what he said.

It's like when I gave him an example of a west coast team (USC) hosting a Big 10 team (Northwestern) at a reasonable "pre-dinner" timeslot, and then he suddenly started trying to limit his earlier comments to "ACC teams". As if that makes a difference.

Don't get sucked in here, he's a slippery little sucker who has a backpedal that rivals Neon Deion's. Now he is trying to tell you that he was only talking about OCs and DCs, when that wasn't what was said up front.

You and I don't have to agree all the time, but when you're right, you're right, and I give you full credit. Dabo has filled his staff with Clemson guys and he doesn't have sufficient contrasting viewpoints.

 

[cookies]

You’re wrong because you’re basically only looking at this from the OC/DC viewpoint. Remove the coordinator role, and what does the staff look like over time? How many total coaches are in the building? The % that are sycophants/former players from Clemson has grown substantially over time. There is absolutely a trend line there and it’s inverse to their success

There is absolutely nothing wrong from promoting from within. That’s not what I’m saying. But Clemsons level of promoting from within is incestuous and a clear red flag. Us hiring Jefferson is NOTHING like that

This is a BIG deal, tho. The coordinators call the shots, create styles, etc. Im not quite sure how we can remove coordinators from the equation.

Nevertheless, the point remains, he won with all these non-coordinators, Clemson staffers, around him. Even his down years, when talking about the most recent 3, he made the playoffs in one of those years. So if that has been a constant since he took-over, it’d be hard for me to conclude that the constant is the issue when he is the third longest tenured HC in the FBS. It hasn’t increased—it’s been that way from the get go.

As far as the relation to Jefferson, never said as much. And again i don’t know what promotions you are referring to since you’re describing all the non-coordinator roles. His staffers have coached elsewhere, had success elsewhere, etc. Some of the guys promoted from within weren’t even Clemson alums.