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Telling Gattis quotes from Feldman article on Michigan

Cane6 said:
I hate Gattis and was disappointed from day 1 and shared the feedback from my Michigan buddy here

I’m just as disappointed as you that Mario didn’t secure a better option that Gattis. But based on the sequence of events and other names Mario was after and talking to, as well as the McClendon hire at WR coach and Co-OC, I’m 100000% confident Gattis was no where close to Mario’s top choice

Hence why he has no issues cutting bait after 1yr
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I agree w you that he wasn't the top choice. I think we misunderstood each other.

I think he got turned down by his top options bc of his own doing (hiring position coaches and not allowing them to bring their guys allegedly). he also has a not so great rep as an offensive mind.

I think the insiders posted that he had other better options than gattis at the end but chose the bigger name (bRoYlEs bro).

fwiw, I think this is the same w the DC hiring. Steele wasn't the top guy after 2 months or so of interviews lol. he was out there forever. we got turned down by better options and ended up w Steele. I think Steele should stick around as an analyst or maybe in the stroud role, but not as DC. I think hes just too old.

id fire big Joe, wright, addae, Steele, strong on the D side to clean house and start over w the DC and then go from there based on who the DC prefers.

same goes for the O - fire everyone and let the OC decide who he wants whether its the current guys or others).
 
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There's 0% chance Gattis is here next year.. he was already in hot water but 0 TDs in 9 quarters was the nail in the coffin.

But it's in everybody's best interest for him to move onto another job, even if it's lateral or a step down. Doesn't benefit Mario or us to announce a firing now since any OC we'll hire won't be announced until after the regular season anyways.

ESD is 12/22 this year. Plenty of time (maybe not Mario time) to move on from Gattis and find a new OC after the regular season (especially if he's already looking now).
 
hoops156 said:
I agree w you that he wasn't the top choice. I think we misunderstood each other.

I think he got turned down by his top options bc of his own doing (hiring position coaches and not allowing them to bring their guys allegedly). he also has a not so great rep as an offensive mind.

I think the insiders posted that he had other better options than gattis at the end but chose the bigger name (bRoYlEs bro).

fwiw, I think this is the same w the DC hiring. Steele wasn't the top guy after 2 months or so of interviews lol. he was out there forever. we got turned down by better options and ended up w Steele. I think Steele should stick around as an analyst or maybe in the stroud role, but not as DC. I think hes just too old.

id fire big Joe, wright, addae, Steele, strong on the D side to clean house and start over w the DC and then go from there based on who the DC prefers.

same goes for the O - fire everyone and let the OC decide who he wants whether its the current guys or others).
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It’s probably a forgone conclusion but Ponce is likely gone as well

I’d throw Kevin Wilson from Ohio St into the mix too

He’s a previous HC with offensive success. Currently makes $1.2mm and could be trusted to build out the offensive staff based on his level of experience

Phil Long, and the Wake Forrest OC have to be on the short list too, along with Garret Riley
 
Liberty City El said:
My real genuine thoughts on the issue, no sarcasm this time...

Gattis IMO is NOT under any circumstances a fit with Miami & I don't think his Offense is anything special at all.

It works in the B1G because regionally they produce big roadgrading OL's that make the job that much easier for the RB's, but it's not a QB friendly Offense & is primarily predicated on dominating the LOS, which seems like exactly what you want, but the big issue I have with those style of Offenses is they have no counterpunch.

But beyond that, his actual play calling abilities are very suspect IMO in terms of his feel for the game & knowing when to & not to call certain plays. I also do not see any strategy in the sequencing, he's not setting the Defense up for anything, it's just a very surface level scheme that has to have certain types of players in order for it to work. It's not a one size fits all plug & play style that's transitional & works with interchangeable pieces, it's a formulated template that you have to recruit specifically for or else it will not work.

I personally prefer Offenses that are more malleable, hence why you see certain Offensive minded coaches have success at multiple stops with multiple style QB's/WR's etc.. I think it makes the most logical sense to have a system in place that doesn't cut in half the number of recruits you can target, meaning, having an Offense that is designed around spacing & speed without specific parameters that each player has to fit into mathematically increases the number of recruits you go after & attract, which widens the scope of the caliber of player you can bring in.

This is a Northern/Midwestern ball Offense & unfortunately we're a Southeastern team that has readily available access to smaller speedy types who are better in a more wide open setting.

The best way I can describe it is, imagine if Air Force or Army tried to run a conventional Offense & how much of a disaster that would be for them...

As to whether or not Gattis should be brought back, to me it's quite clearly absolutely not. But if you're Mario & you really believe you can win with that style of play & it's simply a matter of recruiting your players, then I can see why he might want to bring him back.

I think it will fail miserably & we'll still be a below .500 team or slightly above .500 in the 7-5 range at best...

But I also am always in favor of seeing Chaos happen, so why the **** not? Lol (That was a joke relax)
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Amen to all that. And to add: The best of modern offense football offenses seeks to identify and exploit matchups. Every NFL offense is based on this precept and most of the top college offenses are too these days.

Whatever folks opinions about Lashlee, he absolutely sought and exploited personnel matchups while he was our OC. He gave UM its best offense in years and has the 10th ranked scoring offense at SMU this year. Ryan Day does a great job of this, as does Lincoln Riley, Lane Kiffin, Phil Longo, Heupel, Dan Mullen, etc.

I look for this and haven't seen it from Gattis. What is apparent is that he calls plays depending on the situation, but without regard for whether it's giving the offense a favorable matchup or not. It makes things harder than necessary, and that's how we look.
 
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Cane6 said:
It’s probably a forgone conclusion but Ponce is likely gone as well

I’d throw Kevin Wilson from Ohio St into the mix too

He’s a previous HC with offensive success. Currently makes $1.2mm and could be trusted to build out the offensive staff based on his level of experience

Phil Long, and the Wake Forrest OC have to be on the short list too, along with Garret Riley
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Snatching Kevin Wilson would be a godsend, but no way he leaves OSU.
 
PalyCane said:
Amen to all that. And to add: The best of modern offense football offenses seeks to identify and exploit matchups. Every NFL offense is based on this precept and most of the top college offenses are too these days.

Whatever folks opinions about Lashlee, he absolutely sought and exploited personnel matchups while he was our OC. He gave UM its best offense in years and has the 10th ranked scoring offense at SMU this year. Ryan Day does a great job of this, as does Lincoln Riley, Lane Kiffin, Phil Longo, Heupel, Dan Mullen, etc.

I look for this and haven't seen it from Gattis. What is apparent is that he calls plays depending on the situation, but without regard for whether it's giving the offense a favorable matchup or not. It makes things harder than necessary, and that's how we look.
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You’re correct.

Watching whatever dogsh!t game plan Gattis this week should be the icing on the cake to prove once and forever he’s trash

If we don’t see at least 5 RB screens and 10 WR screens, and 6+ passes to TEs then fuq it all, I’m gonna keep gambling against Miami this year and cashing
 
I shouldnt let it bother me but watching other schools and their creative OC’s run stuff like this vs Gattis infuriates me. Mario was certainly in to something when he was courting the ND OC

 
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Shodell says people are saying Gattis and Ponce each give the quarterbacks different conflicting information.

Clearly this is an issue.
 
BoxingRobes said:
It definitely does.

Most of the CIS fan fiction narratives are busted in this article.

Harbaugh was heavily involved in the offense, as was Weiss and Moore and that is why it was successful...this article says it was the exact opposite and their involvement led Poggi to believe that is what would lead to the offense failing.
Gattis was not the playcaller...this article says he was.
Gattis was the source of toxicity...this article paints it in the other direction that the non-playcallers were the source of it (somewhat corroborates his weird social media posts after leaving Michigan) and needed some come to Jesus meeting led by Poggi to get on the same page.
Gattis has a massive ego...this article paints him as a guy that's not always confident, but is a team player "He’s genuinely there for the betterment of Jim and the program. His heart is all in it."

Maybe the article is lying or Poggi is painting this picture differently now. idk.

It does corroborate that Gattis is probably a tough guy to like. I'm sure the players here ******* hate the guy...but Will Mallory just came out and said the coaches do a good job of keeping it simple...but CIS told me it was all too complicated.

Ultimately, this guy is going to have to fall on the sword and be gone because this is a results business and the results are terrible. It doesn't seem like a fit. But it didn't seem like a fit at Michigan and this article showed that with a little mediation from an adult in the room they were able to win big. It is a shame this season has gone off the rails...I feel the team could likely use a little Poggi mediation well before this point of the season.

The CIS braintrust thought Enos was terrible (he was here), but he seems to be doing just fine at his next stop.

Reminds me of the narratives this fanbase had about Joe Brady...and even when shown articles and quotes from people that know what they are talking about, still did not understand this guys role at LSU. Would respond and say the exact opposite of the article would say.
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Gattis is going to have more success in his career, just like Enos.

They were both bad fits and weren’t flexible enough to make it work here.
 
TruCane81 said:
Gattis is going to have more success in his career, just like Enos.

They were both bad fits and weren’t flexible enough to make it work here.
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Maybe Gattis can go get a job as a WR coach under someone who knows what he’s doing and be successful.

You know why Enos is doing well at Maryland? Because he’s not running his offense. Mike Locksley is the head coach at Maryland and Enos is running his scheme. Locksley was the OC at Alabama when Enos was QB coach and Gattis was WR coach. It’s obvious who the real OC was in that room.
 
Rd745 said:
Feldman just published an article on Harbaugh’s consigliere who was hired last year and his first order of business? Fixing the massive divide among the offensive staff, mainly between Gattis and other O staffers…

They fixed the issues, at least temporarily given how the season ended up, but it wasn’t enough to keep Gattis on staff or prevent Gattis from ripping his former employer on his way out. Also quite clear which side of that divide came out in a better position…

“…He watched how Gattis and his assistants interacted and quickly detected a clear division in the room between the coaches who were with Gattis and those who were not.

“It was shocking how apparent that was,” Poggi says. If that didn’t get resolved, he was sure Michigan was going to stink on offense, and if that was indeed the case, the Wolverines were in deep trouble. It was time to intervene.

“There’s support here, but it’s divided between Josh and what he wants to do, and some other legacy ideas.” To Poggi, Gattis knew the system that he’d learned under Joe Moorhead well, but several other assistants weren’t on board.

“We have a 60-40 room here. And we’re gonna fail as an organization because of this,” Poggi said.

theathletic.com

Meet Michigan's Biff Poggi: Jim Harbaugh's consigliere is the most interesting man in coaching

In a high school coach who built a national powerhouse from scratch, the Wolverines found the man who helped right the ship in Ann Arbor.
theathletic.com theathletic.com
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Yeah this is a bad look for Gattis. And their success after he left arguably looking better is even worse.
 
PalyCane said:
Amen to all that. And to add: The best of modern offense football offenses seeks to identify and exploit matchups. Every NFL offense is based on this precept and most of the top college offenses are too these days.

Whatever folks opinions about Lashlee, he absolutely sought and exploited personnel matchups while he was our OC. He gave UM its best offense in years and has the 10th ranked scoring offense at SMU this year. Ryan Day does a great job of this, as does Lincoln Riley, Lane Kiffin, Phil Longo, Heupel, Dan Mullen, etc.

I look for this and haven't seen it from Gattis. What is apparent is that he calls plays depending on the situation, but without regard for whether it's giving the offense a favorable matchup or not. It makes things harder than necessary, and that's how we look.
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Gattis certainly doesn't appear to have a clue about exploiting matchups. He's all about doing what he wants to do, and if we do it right there's not a **** thing anyone can do about it. Well, at least that's what he thinks. Sadly, Mario probably thinks the same thing.

Why Miami thinks that all we need is talent, not a coach that can scheme, and actually coach, is beyond me. If you need 10 times the talent to beat teams, it means the other coach is close to 10 times the coach you are.
 
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Cane18 said:
Shodell says people are saying Gattis and Ponce each give the quarterbacks different conflicting information.

Clearly this is an issue.
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And Mario doesn't pull them both into a meeting and put his foot down.

Either tell gattis to change the offense, or tell Ponce to coach the QBs to fit the scheme.

He just let's it happen and completely wrote off the season after game 4.

Mario has failed across the board in his first year which should've been an easy transition to get his regime rolling by year 3.

I'm very curious to see his post season changes but if he screws up the hires and scheme again, year 2 will be another failure and the heat will be turned up to the max.
 
It’s crazy how Mario scouted the roster and said yeah let me bring in this big 10 trench warfare offense. That’ll work with this personnel. Meanwhile we’re making Iowa look like the 2007 patriots

Fix this **** by calling these guys and making them say no in this order:
Anae
Garret Riley
Mullen
Tom herman
Phil Longo

Then after they say no you start making calls.
 
kyle_schick said:
And Mario doesn't pull them both into a meeting and put his foot down.

Either tell gattis to change the offense, or tell Ponce to coach the QBs to fit the scheme.

He just let's it happen and completely wrote off the season after game 4.

Mario has failed across the board in his first year which should've been an easy transition to get his regime rolling by year 3.

I'm very curious to see his post season changes but if he screws up the hires and scheme again, year 2 will be another failure and the heat will be turned up to the max.
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Pull them into a meeting is a nice way of putting it….
 
Doesn't benefit Mario or us to announce a firing now since any OC we'll hire won't be announced until after the regular season anyways.
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What benefit does it yield keeping him if he's the reason the offensive side of the ball is falling apart, both on the field and in recruiting?
 
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