Team DNA

[DMoney]

All you have to do is look at the Top 10. You can win with either system.

I favor more of a pro-style system, at least for the time being, because we are loaded with pro-style QBs. I think it's easier to recruit gifted NFL-style passers like Kaaya and Allison when you can sell them on making NFL reads.

To me, the recent model is FSU. They had a pro-style system that spread it out, used the TE, used the backs, and they played elite defense.

 

[Hurracanes]

All you have to do is look at the Top 10. You can win with either system.

I favor more of a pro-style system, at least for the time being, because we are loaded with pro-style QBs. I think it's easier to recruit gifted NFL-style passers like Kaaya and Allison when you can sell them on making NFL reads.

To me, the recent model is FSU. They had a pro-style system that spread it out, used the TE, used the backs, and they played elite defense.

This. If executed correctly any system works. That being said, Howard, Jimmy and Dennis were extremely successful because of their ability to produce dominating Defenses consistently. Miami needs to get back to its roots and dominate on that end.

 

[McGahee2TheHouse]

I'm tired of seeing certain posters call all variations of the spread a "gimmick" and express vehement opposition to dual-threat QBs because they run too much.

Just because a certain formula worked here 15 years ago doesn't mean it's the only way for this program to be dominant. The closed-minded nostalgia is absurd.

I'm convinced those people don't watch football. Spread concept are everywhere, including the NFL.

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[roam305]

Your "DNA" should reflect your main recruiting ground.

As of a right now that means SPREAD OFFENSE and EVEN FRONT defenses. (4-3 or 4-2-5)

Imagine if Howard Schnellenberger thought this way when he took over, this program wouls have never taken off the way it did.

 

[Coach Macho]

Your "DNA" should reflect your main recruiting ground.

As of a right now that means SPREAD OFFENSE and EVEN FRONT defenses. (4-3 or 4-2-5)

Imagine if Howard Schnellenberger thought this way when he took over, this program wouls have never taken off the way it did.

What?

The local DNA of high school football was different back then buddy.

 

[Coach Macho]

All you have to do is look at the Top 10. You can win with either system.

I favor more of a pro-style system, at least for the time being, because we are loaded with pro-style QBs. I think it's easier to recruit gifted NFL-style passers like Kaaya and Allison when you can sell them on making NFL reads.

To me, the recent model is FSU. They had a pro-style system that spread it out, used the TE, used the backs, and they played elite defense.

This. If executed correctly any system works. That being said, Howard, Jimmy and Dennis were extremely successful because of their ability to produce dominating Defenses consistently. Miami needs to get back to its roots and dominate on that end.

The Wing-T can work if executed properly. That's not the issue.

Why would you make it harder to execute as opposed to easier? Why run a scheme that's harder to find athletes for when you can run one that will allow you to reload every year?

 

[Coach Macho]

Nobody here noticed how we went spread this season and we instantly saw (legit) production out of 4 different pass catchers?

Yall gonna sit here and act like the spread isn't responsible for the emergence of Stacy Coley and David Njoku? Coley doesn't have a season like that if he's split out wide in the Pro-Syle offense. He had the season he had because he was killing defenses from the slot position and it's **** near impossible to cover a trio of Waters, Scott and Coley when they're spread out all over the field. And I seriously doubt Njoku has the same season if he's lined up in the Pro-Style with his hand in the dirt, getting beat up by Defensive Ends and Outside Linebackers. He's a prototype H-back/TE for the spread.

 

[Sonny Long]

6 of the Top 7 Teams run Pro-Style....................

 

[Coach Macho]

You sure about that?

 

[roam305]

Your "DNA" should reflect your main recruiting ground.

As of a right now that means SPREAD OFFENSE and EVEN FRONT defenses. (4-3 or 4-2-5)

Imagine if Howard Schnellenberger thought this way when he took over, this program wouls have never taken off the way it did.

What?

The local DNA of high school football was different back then buddy.

The DNA of South Florida HS football was not pro style I can tell you that much.

Howard came from the pros with a NFL mindset and built the program around a NFL system and not what the local HIgh Schools were running.
That was the blue print he layed down that paved the way to total domination.

The point I'm trying to make is that one doesn't need to follow what the area High Schools are doing and base what you are going to do around that.

Personally I think we need to stick to the Howard blue print and be pro style. That is the identity of this program. We are NFL U to this day even through the down years. One of our main appeal is sending guys to the pros. That needs to continue. Switching to the flavor of the month scheme will cheapen us.
Look at Michigan. Harbaugh went in and restored them to what they are. When they tried going away from that and hired Rich Rodriguez is when they fell off.

 

[Cane01]

Your "DNA" should reflect your main recruiting ground.

As of a right now that means SPREAD OFFENSE and EVEN FRONT defenses. (4-3 or 4-2-5)

Imagine if Howard Schnellenberger thought this way when he took over, this program wouls have never taken off the way it did.

What?

The local DNA of high school football was different back then buddy.

The DNA of South Florida HS football was not pro style I can tell you that much.

Howard came from the pros with a NFL mindset and built the program around a NFL system and not what the local HIgh Schools were running.
That was the blue print he layed down that paved the way to total domination.

The point I'm trying to make is that one doesn't need to follow what the area High Schools are doing and base what you are going to do around that.

Personally I think we need to stick to the Howard blue print and be pro style. That is the identity of this program. We are NFL U to this day even through the down years. One of our main appeal is sending guys to the pros. That needs to continue. Switching to the flavor of the month scheme will cheapen us.
Look at Michigan. Harbaugh went in and restored them to what they are. When they tried going away from that and hired Rich Rodriguez is when they fell off.

No, Lloyd Carr's last few years is what brought in Rich Rod. They were happy he was retiring because he had grown stale there. Rich Rod was a failure there, as was Michigan Man Brady Hoke after him. The point is, a good coach will get any type of system working fairly well anywhere. It's just easier to play to your recruiting grounds.

 

[Coach Macho]

Your "DNA" should reflect your main recruiting ground.

As of a right now that means SPREAD OFFENSE and EVEN FRONT defenses. (4-3 or 4-2-5)

Imagine if Howard Schnellenberger thought this way when he took over, this program wouls have never taken off the way it did.

What?

The local DNA of high school football was different back then buddy.

The DNA of South Florida HS football was not pro style I can tell you that much.

Howard came from the pros with a NFL mindset and built the program around a NFL system and not what the local HIgh Schools were running.
That was the blue print he layed down that paved the way to total domination.

The point I'm trying to make is that one doesn't need to follow what the area High Schools are doing and base what you are going to do around that.

Personally I think we need to stick to the Howard blue print and be pro style. That is the identity of this program. We are NFL U to this day even through the down years. One of our main appeal is sending guys to the pros. That needs to continue. Switching to the flavor of the month scheme will cheapen us.
Look at Michigan. Harbaugh went in and restored them to what they are. When they tried going away from that and hired Rich Rodriguez is when they fell off.

It sure as **** was Pro-Style down here. Everybody was in the I-formation and running the ball. Now everybody is in the spread.

How is the Pro-Style the "identity of the program"? Erickson didn't run it when he was here.

And that whole "we develop players for the NFL" nonsense is just that, NONSENSE. Name one former Miami player that wouldn't have went to the NFL in any offensive scheme.

I bet you can't tell me any actual benefit to running the Pro-Style other than "it worked before".

 

[CaneSince4Ever]

Man ***** all that runnin' around like a chicken with it's head cut off, "tempo tempo tempo", every play looks like a scramble drill, soft, finesse, hurryin' up like you got somewhere to be...CRAP!

PRO STYLE OFFENSE!!!...HUDDLE UP!!!

 

[UMFarArcher]

All you have to do is look at the Top 10. You can win with either system.

I favor more of a pro-style system, at least for the time being, because we are loaded with pro-style QBs. I think it's easier to recruit gifted NFL-style passers like Kaaya and Allison when you can sell them on making NFL reads.

To me, the recent model is FSU. They had a pro-style system that spread it out, used the TE, used the backs, and they played elite defense.

This. If executed correctly any system works. That being said, Howard, Jimmy and Dennis were extremely successful because of their ability to produce dominating Defenses consistently. Miami needs to get back to its roots and dominate on that end.

This is the part that the spread patrons forget. Because a lot of spreads have defenses that positively suck.

So they try to compensate by running the spread.

You can spread the field - and use a pro style offense - and that certainly works - we used to be Tight End University. And we were deadly.

 

[roam305]

Your "DNA" should reflect your main recruiting ground.

As of a right now that means SPREAD OFFENSE and EVEN FRONT defenses. (4-3 or 4-2-5)

Imagine if Howard Schnellenberger thought this way when he took over, this program wouls have never taken off the way it did.

What?

The local DNA of high school football was different back then buddy.

The DNA of South Florida HS football was not pro style I can tell you that much.

Howard came from the pros with a NFL mindset and built the program around a NFL system and not what the local HIgh Schools were running.
That was the blue print he layed down that paved the way to total domination.

The point I'm trying to make is that one doesn't need to follow what the area High Schools are doing and base what you are going to do around that.

Personally I think we need to stick to the Howard blue print and be pro style. That is the identity of this program. We are NFL U to this day even through the down years. One of our main appeal is sending guys to the pros. That needs to continue. Switching to the flavor of the month scheme will cheapen us.
Look at Michigan. Harbaugh went in and restored them to what they are. When they tried going away from that and hired Rich Rodriguez is when they fell off.

It sure as **** was Pro-Style down here. Everybody was in the I-formation and running the ball. Now everybody is in the spread.

How is the Pro-Style the "identity of the program"? Erickson didn't run it when he was here.

And that whole "we develop players for the NFL" nonsense is just that, NONSENSE. Name one former Miami player that wouldn't have went to the NFL in any offensive scheme.

I bet you can't tell me any actual benefit to running the Pro-Style other than "it worked before".

You can run spread concepts out of pro-style. And by spread I mean shotgun spread, spread read option crap.
Again, this goes back to identity. This program should not be relegated to running those gimmicky offenses.
We have the talent at our disposal to run whatever the NFL is primarily running. We can get our QB's elsewhere if we can't get them down here. Every other position should be recruited from here if possible.

 

[Coach Macho]

Imagine if Howard Schnellenberger thought this way when he took over, this program wouls have never taken off the way it did.

What?

The local DNA of high school football was different back then buddy.

The DNA of South Florida HS football was not pro style I can tell you that much.

Howard came from the pros with a NFL mindset and built the program around a NFL system and not what the local HIgh Schools were running.
That was the blue print he layed down that paved the way to total domination.

The point I'm trying to make is that one doesn't need to follow what the area High Schools are doing and base what you are going to do around that.

Personally I think we need to stick to the Howard blue print and be pro style. That is the identity of this program. We are NFL U to this day even through the down years. One of our main appeal is sending guys to the pros. That needs to continue. Switching to the flavor of the month scheme will cheapen us.
Look at Michigan. Harbaugh went in and restored them to what they are. When they tried going away from that and hired Rich Rodriguez is when they fell off.

It sure as **** was Pro-Style down here. Everybody was in the I-formation and running the ball. Now everybody is in the spread.

How is the Pro-Style the "identity of the program"? Erickson didn't run it when he was here.

And that whole "we develop players for the NFL" nonsense is just that, NONSENSE. Name one former Miami player that wouldn't have went to the NFL in any offensive scheme.

I bet you can't tell me any actual benefit to running the Pro-Style other than "it worked before".

You can run spread concepts out of pro-style. And by spread I mean shotgun spread, spread read option crap.
Again, this goes back to identity. This program should not be relegated to running those gimmicky offenses.
We have the talent at our disposal to run whatever the NFL is primarily running. We can get our QB's elsewhere if we can't get them down here. Every other position should be recruited from here if possible.

There's nothing gimmicky about it, it's a good offense that's predicated on exploiting defensive alignments and leverage.

I don't know what YOU call "spread" but I'm not asking for read/option stuff, I just need to see 3 to 5 WR on the field every play. That is our advantage, not lining up with TE's and FB's and pounding the ball. That's not South Florida DNA.

 

[Coach Macho]

I ask these questions every time this conversation is brought up and they never get answered...

Why is the Pro-Style better for Miami SCHEMATICALLY?
What makes it better than the spread?
Why do you prefer it? (other than the fact that it worked before when we were loaded with NFL guys)

All these cats want the Pro-Style but can't give me one legit reason as to WHY it's a better offense. They'll just spit some vague, generally *** answer like "it wins championships bro!"

 

[AutoCANE]

I don't give a **** what type of offense we run. Just win.

Your spread, uptempo teams score a ton of points...but they also give up a ton of points because you give your opponent more possessions and good teams will make plays given enough opportunities. Our greatest teams obviously showed that a pro set can score a ton of points. The Erickson one back offense scored a ton of points.

It starts with the defense. If we can get back to shutting teams down and keeping their scoring down, we have a QB that can score points on offense. He's not a runner, but we could go uptempo, we could go Air Raid, we could go run and shoot for all I care...just win.

 

[Ibis Wingz]

I ask these questions every time this conversation is brought up and they never get answered...

Why is the Pro-Style better for Miami SCHEMATICALLY?
What makes it better than the spread?
Why do you prefer it? (other than the fact that it worked before when we were loaded with NFL guys)

All these cats want the Pro-Style but can't give me one legit reason as to WHY it's a better offense. They'll just spit some vague, generally *** answer like "it wins championships bro!"

The answer is simply because pro-style is more macho than pussified spread offenses, and these cats are all about machismo. In addition to that, they think that a pro-style will put more players into the NFL.

 

[CaneSince4Ever]

You can run anything with PS talent, can't say the same for that soft,finesse, spread crap.
Look at UF when Meyer left, Chris Rainey was gettin' hurt **** near every week in Muschamp's PSO. Why?...because He didn't have the benefits of all the mis-direction in the Meyer offense...when He played in a traditional offense where the other team knew He was gettin' the ball, He was TOAST!!!