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fivecent said:
LuCane said:
My point above is they can actually *use* the football program to benefit the overall brand, trickling to its Health plans. Instead, they turn their noses up at football, while having a Health System fraught with controversies. Ironic.
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One more thing on this point: when schools like Stanford, Vandy and Northwestern get it, but this Admin does not, just goes to show just how far they have their heads up their asses.
 
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Odin said:
Whoever our next head coach is he has to bring in his own SC coach,don't care who he ****es off.Can't have Swasey survive 3 straight coaching failures and he's still here like he has a lifetime contract and is untouchable.
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Our players are HUGE. It has nothing to do with strength and conditioning
 
iNole said:
C'mon D! I think that's a little harsh...okay okay, a lot harsh. Golden has been working diligently to get the program complete on all three sides. He's recruiting players for his system, but only a few players emerge as elite/complete leaving a few gaps. Other teams are just exploiting the gaps. A few have even gotten lucky and gifted wins (see FSU/UM 2014). I think Al should be given a chance to fill a roster with HIS players to complete HIS scheme for what is now HIS program. After he has the opportunity to do this, he's going to have the nay sayers apologizing and sending him gifts. The man is a great coach. Even Herbstreit said Da U was lucky to have a guy like Al Golden. Luckily, Al will get a chance to fill the voids, because his contract runs through 2019/2020 (IIRC).
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**** you and **** your mother, you supporter of rape and rapists.
 
Supercane85 said:
Odin said:
Whoever our next head coach is he has to bring in his own SC coach,don't care who he ****es off.Can't have Swasey survive 3 straight coaching failures and he's still here like he has a lifetime contract and is untouchable.
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Our players are HUGE. It has nothing to do with strength and conditioning
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Have to agree with this. Everytime Miami's guy go to combines they perform jjst as good and in most cases better than other guys from power conferences and schools.
 
TedHendricksOffspring said:
iNole said:
C'mon D! I think that's a little harsh...okay okay, a lot harsh. Golden has been working diligently to get the program complete on all three sides. He's recruiting players for his system, but only a few players emerge as elite/complete leaving a few gaps. Other teams are just exploiting the gaps. A few have even gotten lucky and gifted wins (see FSU/UM 2014). I think Al should be given a chance to fill a roster with HIS players to complete HIS scheme for what is now HIS program. After he has the opportunity to do this, he's going to have the nay sayers apologizing and sending him gifts. The man is a great coach. Even Herbstreit said Da U was lucky to have a guy like Al Golden. Luckily, Al will get a chance to fill the voids, because his contract runs through 2019/2020 (IIRC).
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**** you and **** your mother, you supporter of rape and rapists.
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If by the end of year 4 you team still sucks you will never get it done. These are his players try to play his style. It is either the coaching or you can't recruit the correct player.
 
DMoney said:
In early 2012, I had a conversation with a former Miami staffer who landed at Alabama. I congratulated him on Alabama's championship and told him that it must be nice to coach so many studs. He looked at me and said, "Miami's good players are better than Alabama's good players."

I couldn't believe it. Alabama was the national champion. Miami was 6-6 and coming off an embarrassing home loss to BC. Alabama had multiple projected first round picks. Miami had a few mid and late-round guys. But he was insistent.

"Lamar Miller is better than Trent Richardson. Olivier Vernon is better than Courtney Upshaw. And Seantrel Henderson is better than any lineman we've got. Watch them in the pros."

Now that we've seen those guys in the NFL, we know he was dead-on. Why were the programs so far apart on the field? The coach said it came down to football infrastructure (training table, strength and conditioning, medical staff) and depth. He left out coaching, for obvious reasons, but you can assume that's another factor. Once those guys get to the NFL, he said, all the external things will become equal and raw talent will prevail.

Golden has done a better job than Shannon in terms of player development; specifically, strength and conditioning. Perryman, Dorsett, Walford and Duke all got bigger and stronger without losing their speed. But why is a team with so many elite players struggling in a talentless Coastal division?

Coaching is an obvious factor that is being addressed in every other thread on this board. The other factor is depth. In my view, there are three reasons depth is not where it needs to be:

1- We cannot identify undervalued South Florida talent. We are the anti-Louisville in this regard. These South Florida three-stars should be the main source of depth for this team, along with blue-chip young players.

2- The camp has produced nothing. I've discussed this before, but it bears repeating: the camp is the biggest indictment of the Temple crew's talent evaluation skills. If Paul "Delaware" Williams offers a kid at the camp, I just assume it's a wasted scholarship.

3- The Temple coaches have a Northeastern, Parcells approach that does not work here. This relates to numbers 1 and 2. Golden says that you support the star players with "coal shovelers." His idea of a coal shoveler is a low-rated, low-maintenance guy who has ideal measurables to develop. That's crap. The meat of this program should be South Florida ballers who may lack a measurable or two. The guys that go to Louisville and talk **** to our five-stars. Football players, not projects with good attitudes. If we had been stacking these guys for four years, this team would look much, much different.

Right now, our best players are better than anybody's best players. Anybody. Watch Perryman, Dorsett, Flowers, Duke and Walford in the pros. No other Power Five school can match those upperclassmen. Four years later, Miami is still undefeated on Sunday and .500 on Saturday.
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Just got to hire a competent coach who can hire competent assistants!
 
Why is everybody so glum?

Fellas, have you forgotten that we're bowl eligible!!! Hopefully, we can end the season with a couple close losses and transfer the "moral victory momentum" to next year.
 
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CanesAreAble said:
Tad Footeball said:
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Dan E. Dangerously said:
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This is amazing and wrong on so many levels.
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This might be my favorite post of all time. Kudos to Dan E. on a job well done, sir. I watched this thing live as a kid. Might explain a lot now.
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Holy ****. Couldn't imagine watching that live.
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Was actually a snow day from elementary school. Was a live feed and they froze it like a second before he shot himself but the sound kept going. But then the NBC affiliate decided to replay it uncut shortly after. Budd Dwyer jokes still are alive and well in Pennsylvania to this day as a result.
 
i remember seeing that budd video when i was like 10 or 11 on the internet... that **** had me shooked.
 
iNole said:
C'mon D! I think that's a little harsh...okay okay, a lot harsh. Golden has been working diligently to get the program complete on all three sides. He's recruiting players for his system, but only a few players emerge as elite/complete leaving a few gaps. Other teams are just exploiting the gaps. A few have even gotten lucky and gifted wins (see FSU/UM 2014). I think Al should be given a chance to fill a roster with HIS players to complete HIS scheme for what is now HIS program. After he has the opportunity to do this, he's going to have the nay sayers apologizing and sending him gifts. The man is a great coach. Even Herbstreit said Da U was lucky to have a guy like Al Golden. Luckily, Al will get a chance to fill the voids, because his contract runs through 2019/2020 (IIRC).
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LOL
 
I think you're 3rd point is spot on. The current regime undervalues local talent due to measurables.
 
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Year 4 and we're still asking the same questions.

Why can't we win the worst division in the worst conference in power 5 football when we have much better/elite talent?

The answer is obvious and simple.
 
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OP great post. As for Golden and DNo:
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trueskool said:
I totally disagree that Golden develops talent better than Shannon. The dude has been here 4 yrs and you can only reference 4 players to support an argument that Golden develops players?
I can list name after name that Shannon developed as defensive coordinator and head coach. **** I can name a list of players who regressed under Golden in 2011 and 2012 who played better in 2009 and 2010.
IMO the only thing Golden does better than Shannon is lie to the media and fan base
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Please post that list. Not as DC as there is infrastructure to support development that Shannon was not responsible for, but rather as HC. The fact that Golden sucks, does not rewrite the history that Shannon sucked as well. Any argument over who sucked more is infantile, does it really matter which was the better loser?
 
this has been a very good discussion, hopefully it does not devolve to the typical bull**** CIS thread.

let's keep it going.
 
Good 'ol Mikey B. with the dagger. Yea, there's talent.

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The important part:

According to the latest NFL Draft rankings on CBS Sports, Miami is clearly one of the most talented teams in all of college football.

The Hurricanes have 10 players who have a draft grade on their rankings list -- Duke Johnson, Phillip Dorsett, Clive Walford, Ereck Flowers, Jonathan Feliciano,Anthony Chickillo, Olsen Pierre, Denzel Perryman, Thurston Armbrister, andLadarius Gunter.

The amazing part about that is that only one school -- the defending national champions and owners of a 27-game winning streak -- has more. Florida State has 12 on their list.

Here is the rest of the AP Top 10 and how many players are on that list:

2. Alabama -- 7
3. Oregon -- 7
4. Mississippi State -- 4
5. Baylor -- 6
6. TCU -- 4
7. Ohio State -- 3
8. Georgia -- 3
9. UCLA -- 3
10. Michigan State -- 5

Some may wonder if other major programs with excellent tradition and home recruiting bases are where the Hurricanes are in terms of overall talent. Again, these numbers indicate they're not. Here are some examples:

Texas -- 6
Florida -- 3
LSU -- 4
USC -- 7
Auburn -- 8
Oklahoma -- 8

Lets dig a bit deeper and look at where all other ACC schools rank.

FSU 12, Louisville 9, Clemson 4, Syracuse 3, Duke 2, Virginia Tech 2, Boston College 1, Georgia Tech 1, Virginia 1, North Carolina 1, North Carolina State 1, Wake Forest 1, and Pittsburgh 1.

Miami's non-conference opponents have low numbers as well -- Nebraska 3, Cincinnati 1, Florida A&M 0, and Arkansas State 0.

There are eight programs who have at least seven players on the list. They're listed below along with their current records against FBS opponents this season.

7: Alabama 9-1
Oregon 9-1
USC 7-4
8: Oklahoma 8-3
Auburn 7-3
9: Louisville 7-3
10: Miami 5-5
12: Florida State 10-0
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