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Bottom line...there's enough talent here to not be consistently losing the Virginia's and Georgia Tech's of the world.

Bottom line part 2...there's NOT enough talent to seriously contend for a title.

Bottom line one is an indictment on Golden's coaching ability, Bottom line #2 is an indictment on Golden as a recruiter as we are now in his fourth full year.

Bottom of all bottom lines...if he's not fired this offseason next year is going to be a wasted year and we are going to slip deeper and deeper into non-relevance land.

Great job by the dumbest administration/decision makers in all of college football. You managed to take something that couldn't be screwed up and screwed it up for an entire decade. That's not easy to do...takes a certain kind of talent.
 
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Jedi Master Cane said:
Bottom line...there's enough talent here to not be consistently losing the Virginia's and Georgia Tech's of the world.

Bottom line part 2...there's NOT enough talent to seriously contend for a title.

Bottom line one is an indictment on Golden's coaching ability, Bottom line #2 is an indictment on Golden as a recruiter as we are now in his fourth full year.

Bottom of all bottom lines...if he's not fired this offseason next year is going to be a wasted year and we are going to slip deeper and deeper into non-relevance land.

Great job by the dumbest administration/decision makers in all of college football. You managed to take something that couldn't be screwed up and screwed it up for an entire decade. That's not easy to do...takes a certain kind of talent.
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With this roster right now Miami could contend for a national title with a good coach and the right schemes. When you really think about the roster, there is so much talent on both sides of the ball that has been squandered. So frustrating.
 
GhostofTruth said:
This roster has no chance of competing for a national title when you have true frosh starting at line qb all over the field and no depth, if you know anything about football that isnt going to happen
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**** these troll accounts popping up... national title... LOL we can't even win the **** coastal. FYI, that isn't because of the talent on the team...
 
State of Miami Football

Outstanding Talent
Terrible Coaching - Three straight bad hires in a row
Terrible S&C - One under qualified coach that has been here with all three head coaches
Terrible Administration - Horrendous decisions on extensions. Hiring a consultant for a job search to only hire a coach on the same terrible staff. Shannon. At that point I knew we were screwed. Golden a mediocre MAC coach, but a good salesman.
 
a lb core with perryman and james burres on UL (that is his name right) would be, umm..pretty sick
 
"The coach said it came down to football infrastructure (training table, strength and conditioning, medical staff) and depth. He left out coaching, for obvious reasons, but you can assume that's another factor. Once those guys get to the NFL, he said, all the external things will become equal and raw talent will prevail."

Everything DeeCurrency stated is obviously spot on. The only issue I would take is his guy at Bama's emphasis on the highlighted above. We've always been leap years behind in having an adequate Training Table, I'm not buying that a kid can make up 4 years of sub-standard strength & conditioning in the NFL and I believe our medical staff is on par with anything you'd find in the mighty $EC (at minimum Dr. Kaplan has an excellent reputation. I'm not knowledgable about our training staff at all). It just seems like those specific infrastructure issues are something that even if accurate are things previous competent staffs have been able to overcome and overcome quite easily. Switch our Training Table, S&C Corch and medical staff with Bama's tomorrow and I don't think it even remotely changes our situation with everything else remaining the same. Not that anything excuses us lagging behind in infrastructure but that's a different discussion.
 
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Our lack of depth comes from losing so many players to failure, transfer, and dismissals. Those are coaching failures. I am tired of the depth excuse. Crappy coaching skills and judgement caused those problems. We didn't lose crap to ncaa. Training table and S&C are legitimate. I like the camps but the results have not been there. Again that is Al's plan and judgement. Al likes himself. He was a low talent hard working gym rat. That is what he things is a good player. When I was a kid, my cousin studied much harder than me and my mom was forever complaining that I did not study as much. We were in same school and class. It was number grades back then and I almost always got all 100%. My cousin got good grades but not as good as mine. Yet my mother could never adjust to the fact that I was just frigging smarter and did not need to study. That is Al's problem. Player with greater talent and skill are just not as good as slow, weak, kids who work harder. See Al is just like my cousin.
 
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Gatorhater said:
Our lack of depth comes from losing so many players to failure, transfer, and dismissals. Those are coaching failures. I am tired of the depth excuse. Crappy coaching skills and judgement caused those problems. We didn't lose crap to ncaa. Training table and S&C are legitimate. I like the camps but the results have not been there. Again that is Al's plan and judgement. Al likes himself. He was a low talent hard working gym rat. That is what he things is a good player. When I was a kid, my cousin studied much harder than me and my mom was forever complaining that I did not study as much. We were in same school and class. It was number grades back then and I almost always got all 100%. My cousin got good grades but not as good as mine. Yet my mother could never adjust to the fact that I was just frigging smarter and did not need to study. That is Al's problem. Player with greater talent and skill are just not as good as slow, weak, kids who work harder. See Al is just like my cousin.
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Next time you see your cousin. Tell him to go ***c himself
 
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Me & D before he hit send:

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Coaching has always been the problem. You don't believe it, just look at who we are losing to. Teddy Bridgewater has proven to be (thus far) a crappy quarterback, but against us, he's Steve Young.


All this is bad coaching. Change that. Until then, game over.
 
C'mon D! I think that's a little harsh...okay okay, a lot harsh. Golden has been working diligently to get the program complete on all three sides. He's recruiting players for his system, but only a few players emerge as elite/complete leaving a few gaps. Other teams are just exploiting the gaps. A few have even gotten lucky and gifted wins (see FSU/UM 2014). I think Al should be given a chance to fill a roster with HIS players to complete HIS scheme for what is now HIS program. After he has the opportunity to do this, he's going to have the nay sayers apologizing and sending him gifts. The man is a great coach. Even Herbstreit said Da U was lucky to have a guy like Al Golden. Luckily, Al will get a chance to fill the voids, because his contract runs through 2019/2020 (IIRC).
 
iNole said:
C'mon D! I think that's a little harsh...okay okay, a lot harsh. Golden has been working diligently to get the program complete on all three sides. He's recruiting players for his system, but only a few players emerge as elite/complete leaving a few gaps. Other teams are just exploiting the gaps. A few have even gotten lucky and gifted wins (see FSU/UM 2014). I think Al should be given a chance to fill a roster with HIS players to complete HIS scheme for what is now HIS program. After he has the opportunity to do this, he's going to have the nay sayers apologizing and sending him gifts. The man is a great coach. Even Herbstreit said Da U was lucky to have a guy like Al Golden. Luckily, Al will get a chance to fill the voids, because his contract runs through 2019/2020 (IIRC).
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OH YOU JUST WAIT TILL JAMEIS LEAVES AND FISHER BOLTS FOR THE LSU JOB!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
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Good post D


Having "work horses" that are less talented measurably works when they're actually heady, instinctive type players. You could go to the local gym and theoretically find more talented guys than Ed Reed, that doesn't mean it translates to a football field. By the same token, certain coaches are better at picking those types of players out than others. Either way I think even with the deficiencies in depth and at certain positions Golden's underachieved by 2-3 games a year
 
UMFarArcher said:
Butch Davis has recruited some 34 first round draft picks, and the difference between Golden and for example Butch, is that Butch went after the very best athletes, and THEN put them in place to win. Our DT's weren't big - but they were really quick athletes. Butch downsized, whereas Golden upsizes - and we lost athleticism, quickness, and with few exceptions, speed.

Butch went hard after Sean Taylor. Sean Taylor was a running back, but we already had Willis McGahee, Clinton Portis, and Najeh Davenport - so Butch put him at safety where his unbelievable skill as a RB was extremely beneficial to him as a safety.

Consider how Butch saw Santana Moss, who had only caught a few passes while at Carol City - when Carol City wasn't throwing the ball. But he knew speed and athleticism when he saw it - Santana's numbers be damned. Golden can't pick up on these things, not at camps, not at the High Schools, and only lucks out with locals who want to remain local.

Clinton Portis was right there in Gainesville, but UF wasn't interested. Butch got hot on him and brought him in. Golden doesn't seem to be able to relate to or close on some of the talent that is very real, but not on the recruiting mainstream horizon. So he misses a LOT of talent that teams like UL picks up and then uses to push Golden's dookey in.

Golden has to go. Nice guy, but in way over his head, and he's too stubborn and entrenched with NE concepts.

It's like in South Florida - Golden is a stranger in a strange land.
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Butch didn't coach Sean Taylor.
 
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