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Talent of Teams: Miami ‘01 vs Bama ‘18

Allabouttheu95 said:
These comparisons shouldn’t exist until all players retire from nfl. That’s the only way to compare imo and I’m confident in saying that no teams will match the NFL success of the teams from 99-2003
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And the ONE common denominator in that is EVERY one of those 99-2003 kids were Butch's kids...Bottomline
 
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SWFLHurricane said:
Just Butch??....Lol???....My man...I've been going to UM games since the mid 70s....My favorite UM coach ever is Sonny Lubick....So nobody can tell me that BS....As far as douchebag @Go Canes!! has to say....he's had a plethora of opportunities to say it to my face (in real life) not behind a keyboard like some puzzy...
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I’m just responding to what he was implying lol
 
nystateofmind said:
Right, but you implied Mario was following what he learned about team building from Butch more than so Saban, when that is antithetical to everything Mario has said and also just doesn’t make much sense considering Butch amassed his talent over 20 years ago and recruiting has changed tremendously since.



It certainly remains to be seen what happens in the League long term, but these are some of the players on the 2018 Bama team:

Mac Jones
Jalen Hurts
Tua Tagovailoa

Damien Harris
Josh Jacobs
Najee Harris

Jerry Jeudy
Jaylen Waddle
Henry Ruggs
DeVonta Smith
Irv Smith Jr.

Patrick Surtain Jr.
Trevon Diggs
Xavier McKinney
Quinnen Williams
Raekwon Davis

That’s an insane collection of talent.
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Most of the players you have listed came in the 2017 class or were already here. Not sure why 2018 is the year chosen here to examine. When BAMA was on the field against Georgia in 2017 with the group listed above, in the 4th quarter and OT, they were playing 6 true freshmen on offense. Including QB with Tua and the receiver that caught the winning TD, DeVonta Smith. That recruiting class played in 3 national championship games and won 2 titles.


Factoid: Since 2007 when coach Saban arrived, every single player won at least one national championship if they stayed at least 3 years at BAMA. That means that BAMA has won a title at least every 3 years since coach Saban arrived.
 
Go Canes!! said:
Career win percentage:

Nick Saban: .821
Manny Diaz: .583
Butch Davis: .502

Lmao.
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So u really going to include NFL & vacated wins in this post for Butch, huh, yet conveniently left out Saban’s NFL record?? Come on bruh, be better than that. This is the quintessential definition of a biased post. If u’re going to make a point, at least not be disingenuous w/ it. There’s no need to leave out data to take away context or slight a view.

Butch’s win % at Miami & UNC was actually 78-43 (.644) that includes the vacated wins since he was exonerated for that cheating scandal at UNC. If u include his time at FIU (.428), that brings his overall win % to .536. But let’s be real; not one coach has been successful at FIU. Truth be told, the two most successful coaches in FIU’s history are indeed Mario & Butch (Mario winning their first conference title w/ 7 wins, & Butch winning the most games in a season w/ 9 wins, yet both were sub .500)

Now, but back to ur distorted data (lol); had u included Nick’s NFL record like u did w/ Butch, Nick’s win % would drop down to the 77% range, which is “still” outstanding. However, pre Bama Saban’s win % was .679 (not including NFL). CLEARLY, post Bama he became a demi-god of a coach, & that’s not a coincidence.

I have the utmost respect for Saban; I think he’s a great coach. Others before him had the same resources at Bama & failed. So I’m not one of those fans that chirps he’s only good b/c Bama cheats. The fact is, Bama’s sanctions for cheating actually happened b4 Saban yet, Shula stunk, along w/ Dubose. Franchione may have been good, but he bolted after yr 2, iirc. Regardless, Saban thrived w/ the resources.

Do I think Butch, w/ unlimited resources would’ve done the same? Absolutely. Do I think Butch’s record at Miami would’ve been better had we not endured the sanctions for 3 yrs? Absolutely. I don’t need to trash Butch to elevate Saban or vise versa. Fact is, Saban did tap in w/ Butch to see how we were doing things at Miami.

Anyways, Cristobal’s coaching pedigree is outstanding. He received tutelage from Jimmy, Butch, Schiano, & Saban. His time at Bama sharpened him, he will tell u that out of his own mouth, but he’ll also tell u what being a GA under Butch did for him.
 
Rellyrell said:
So u really going to include NFL & vacated wins in this post for Butch, huh, yet conveniently left out Saban’s NFL record?? Come on bruh, be better than that. This is the quintessential definition of a biased post. If u’re going to make a point, at least not be disingenuous w/ it. There’s no need to leave out data to take away context or slight a view.

Butch’s win % at Miami & UNC was actually 78-43 (.644) that includes the vacated wins since he was exonerated for that cheating scandal at UNC. If u include his time at FIU (.428), that brings his overall win % to .536. But let’s be real; not one coach has been successful at FIU. Truth be told, the two most successful coaches in FIU’s history are indeed Mario & Butch (Mario winning their first conference title w/ 7 wins, & Butch winning the most games in a season w/ 9 wins, yet both were sub .500)

Now, but back to ur distorted data (lol); had u included Nick’s NFL record like u did w/ Butch, Nick’s win % would drop down to the 77% range, which is “still” outstanding. However, pre Bama Saban’s win % was .679 (not including NFL). CLEARLY, post Bama he became a demi-god of a coach, & that’s not a coincidence.

I have the utmost respect for Saban; I think he’s a great coach. Others before him had the same resources at Bama & failed. So I’m not one of those fans that chirps he’s only good b/c Bama cheats. The fact is, Bama’s sanctions for cheating actually happened b4 Saban yet, Shula stunk, along w/ Dubose. Franchione may have been good, but he bolted after yr 2, iirc. Regardless, Saban thrived w/ the resources.

Do I think Butch, w/ unlimited resources would’ve done the same? Absolutely. Do I think Butch’s record at Miami would’ve been better had we not endured the sanctions for 3 yrs? Absolutely. I don’t need to trash Butch to elevate Saban or vise versa. Fact is, Saban did tap in w/ Butch to see how we were doing things at Miami.

Anyways, Cristobal’s coaching pedigree is outstanding. He received tutelage from Jimmy, Butch, Schiano, & Saban. His time at Bama sharpened him, he will tell u that out of his own mouth, but he’ll also tell u what being a GA under Butch did for him.
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I included nfl records for both.
 
TUSKtimes said:
Most of the players you have listed came in the 2017 class or were already here. Not sure why 2018 is the year chosen here to examine. When BAMA was on the field against Georgia in 2017 with the group listed above, in the 4th quarter and OT, they were playing 6 true freshmen on offense. Including QB with Tua and the receiver that caught the winning TD, DeVonta Smith. That recruiting class played in 3 national championship games and won 2 titles.


Factoid: Since 2007 when coach Saban arrived, every single player won at least one national championship if they stayed at least 3 years at BAMA. That means that BAMA has won a title at least every 3 years since coach Saban arrived.
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YOUR TEAMS WERE BUILT ON IMPROPER F-ING BENEFITS whether you F-ing like to hear it or not....THAT'S 100% FACT....Give Butch the SAME Financial Backing that your Cheating Coach has had since he stepped foot in that Miserable Sh*thole of Humanity, and it would have been Mind numbing....While Saban and your Crooked BOT were buying their recruits....Butch was answering to a Cesspool BOT who loathed him, and wanted answers about every single BS expenditure known to Man (Travel...Airfare...etc) I was AT UM when YOUR So called GOAT Coach asked Butch if he could come down for Pointers, and to observe UMs practices (which was the talk amongst CFB coaches)....ALL Saban did was follow the Blueprint that BUTCH set forth....except with an entire BANK latched to his Midget back pocket, and STILL didn't affect the NFL like Butch did......Congratulations....
 
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@Rellyrell ....These two clowns can run their mouths until forever....But the fact of the matter is as follows.....
In the mid 90s while Saban was mediocre at best in East Lansing, the CFB World's Top Coaches were...(not in any particular order)

Bowden
Paterno
Osborne (another cheating POS) & Spurrier.....Ole Nicky could have easily called ANY one of them and asked if he was welcome to observe their Practices, and to pick their Brains about the way they go about running a program. And I can assure you all mentioned would have welcomed him...a Young, eager Coach wanting to get to the Top eventually....Bottomline is...he didn't. He called "Butch"...a young 1st time HC anywhere in his Life...who had a 31 Schollie reduction....Public scorn...Murder of a soon to be starting LBer (on campus no less) and the #1 Sporting News Publication calling for the dismantling of the entire program thrown in his Lap from Day 1.....Ask Mr. TuskTimes (why he's even here to spew his validations I haven't a F-ing clue) to ask his GOAT Coach, why he chose to come down to Greentree, (at least 3-5 times that I know of @Brooklyndee knows he was down even more) when he was more than capable to call any number of other coaches, that #1...weren't under ANY sanctions, and all had recently Won NCs, that I've already mentioned??....
 
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Rellyrell said:
So u really going to include NFL & vacated wins in this post for Butch, huh, yet conveniently left out Saban’s NFL record?? Come on bruh, be better than that. This is the quintessential definition of a biased post. If u’re going to make a point, at least not be disingenuous w/ it. There’s no need to leave out data to take away context or slight a view.

Butch’s win % at Miami & UNC was actually 78-43 (.644) that includes the vacated wins since he was exonerated for that cheating scandal at UNC. If u include his time at FIU (.428), that brings his overall win % to .536. But let’s be real; not one coach has been successful at FIU. Truth be told, the two most successful coaches in FIU’s history are indeed Mario & Butch (Mario winning their first conference title w/ 7 wins, & Butch winning the most games in a season w/ 9 wins, yet both were sub .500)

Now, but back to ur distorted data (lol); had u included Nick’s NFL record like u did w/ Butch, Nick’s win % would drop down to the 77% range, which is “still” outstanding. However, pre Bama Saban’s win % was .679 (not including NFL). CLEARLY, post Bama he became a demi-god of a coach, & that’s not a coincidence.

I have the utmost respect for Saban; I think he’s a great coach. Others before him had the same resources at Bama & failed. So I’m not one of those fans that chirps he’s only good b/c Bama cheats. The fact is, Bama’s sanctions for cheating actually happened b4 Saban yet, Shula stunk, along w/ Dubose. Franchione may have been good, but he bolted after yr 2, iirc. Regardless, Saban thrived w/ the resources.

Do I think Butch, w/ unlimited resources would’ve done the same? Absolutely. Do I think Butch’s record at Miami would’ve been better had we not endured the sanctions for 3 yrs? Absolutely. I don’t need to trash Butch to elevate Saban or vise versa. Fact is, Saban did tap in w/ Butch to see how we were doing things at Miami.

Anyways, Cristobal’s coaching pedigree is outstanding. He received tutelage from Jimmy, Butch, Schiano, & Saban. His time at Bama sharpened him, he will tell u that out of his own mouth, but he’ll also tell u what being a GA under Butch did for him.
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How tf can this clown put so much emphasis on Winning % for Butch from 95-97 down all those schollies, and negative public perception...11 schollies right off the bat in 95.....The true measurement would be, what was his record from 98-2000 when the terrible effects of sanctions dissipated....In 99 we honestly beat Penn St (James Jackson EASILY had the 1st down by over a foot) if instant replay was in effect he GETS the 1st down...and game is over. So at 9-3 we play a Very Good GT team (with an excellent QB in Joe Hamilton) in the Gator Bowl and annihilate them....when in reality we should have been 10-2 and playing on New Yrs day....But no....let's focus on the losses from 95-97 with barely enough kids to field a practice....FOH with that biased BS. @Brooklyndee everything I just stated is 100% FACT (as you already know)
 
01' Miami smashes 18' Alabama. Offensively, Saban would've been pulling His hair out trying to stop Shockey & Johnson. Especially Shockey, He's probably the best College TE I've seen in the last quarter century, never seen a TE beat double teams as much as He did out of a 3pt. stance. And Johnson was a man amongst boys as a sophomore. And don't get me started on the defense. Not even close.
 
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