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Talent of Teams: Miami ‘01 vs Bama ‘18

santaana said:
I agree with Brooklyn and SWFL. We didn't pay players to come here. We stacked our talent in good evals. Our dumbass violations occurred after they were here. And they ultimately hurt our recruiting. Small *** envelopes and benihana from a couple loudmouths in Luke and Shapiro.

We can't have nice things bc we don't operate on the same level. Those rednecks up north got their **** together. You're not gonna see them on a 30 for 30 smirking and being a dead giveaway for inconsequential payments like Luke. We can't keep our mouths shut even when it pales in comparison to the SEC. We make easy targets

Point is I don't believe for one second our transgressions of small payments isn't found across the board. In college I was a banquet captain at Ruth's in Knoxville when Ohio St came to town for basketball with Conley and Oden. Bill for staff, players, and people I don't even know. Maybe family. Was like 8k. Thad Motta snapped his fingers and some little dork grabs a duffle bag and we go in the bag. Had to be over 100k in that bag. Why does he have 100k in cash in a bag? But they keep their mouths shut

We can't operate like that bc we yap and we have the Miami Herald always with a columnist trying to come up. Meanwhile they keep the Tuscaloosa Times or the Knoxville Sentinel and and every other small time southern news outlet with a ball gag in their mouth. Anything we have done has always come out. We don't keep skeletons in the closet. If we did it, we'd all know it
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Do you think with Mario here he can get the local papers to STFU?
 
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Honestly, he needs no advice from Satan. He has seen all the facilities, training tables, sport psychologist, bio science and all the knowledge taken from the NFL. He only needed the money to provide it. What advice does he need beyond Butch, Zo and Chud? I am sure he got more, but Mario has plenty from Miami. Butch sent coaches to local schools every week besides his evaluations and development. ****, Butch's is the winning format with the money that made Satan's program now watch what happens.
 
Cane30 said:
Honestly, he needs no advice from Satan. He has seen all the facilities, training tables, sport psychologist, bio science and all the knowledge taken from the NFL. He only needed the money to provide it. What advice does he need beyond Butch, Zo and Chud? I am sure he got more, but Mario has plenty from Miami. Butch sent coaches to local schools every week besides his evaluations and development. ****, Butch's is the winning format with the money that made Satan's program now watch what happens.
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Saban is on the most dominant run in 50-60 years or longer. He's accomplished more than the other three guys combined by a grand canyon sized margin.

Mario is still a relatively green coach on the big time stage. Can we pump the brakes on him not needing anything or anyone else?
 
djnellz said:
Do you think with Mario here he can get the local papers to STFU?
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No. They never will. But he has been smart enough to put coaches and staff around him that aren't going to give em anything either. Honestly thats moot. Our guy doesn't need to dole out chargers and bags like Bama and Georgia (but it ******* helps) Our one advantage is inherent. Its our local fertile recruiting grounds.

He's put together the best staff in the nation arguably to recruit and develop. If he follows through with development and puts guys in the league our guys in Dade and Broward and even Tampa, or Orlando will stay south with us. Not all of em but enough.

Mario is doing what did before to win. Recruit and put great coaches around em. We've had some talent. But we've done less with more. Butch did more with less (sanctions I mean). You see schools like Wake getting more with less. Ya wanna win championships? You stack talent and get all their potential making them better.

And then the Miami Herald can eat a **** when they come looking for nothing
 
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SWFLHurricane said:
He's following what he learned from Butch....not Saban to be Honest. He'd be the 1st to tell you that himself. He saw what Butch did from 98-2000 up close and personal. From evaluating, recruiting and development. Those 3yrs the talent Butch put together sh*ts on anything Saban put together in a 3yr span.
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santaana said:
No. They never will. But he has been smart enough to put coaches and staff around him that aren't going to give em anything either. Honestly thats moot. Our guy doesn't need to dole out cameros and bags like Bama and Georgia (but it ******* helps) Our one advantage is inherent. Its our local fertile recruiting grounds.

He's put together the best staff in the nation arguably to recruit and develop. If he follows through with development and puts guys in the league our guys in Dade and Broward and even Tampa, or Orlando will stay south with us. Not all of em but enough.

Mario is doing what did before to win. Recruit and put great coaches around em. We've had some talent. But we've done less with more. Butch did more with less (sanctions I mean). You see schools like Wake getting more with less. Ya wanna win championships? You stack talent and get all their potential making them better.

And then the Miami Herald can eat a **** when they come looking for nothing
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I hate to reply to myself. Its not very becoming or couth of this esteemed community. Jajajajaja

But despite my hatred of the Miami Herald's over eager throw us under the bus for nothing investigative reporting. I do love Greg Cote. He's pure sunshine and I have to put that out there
 
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SWFLHurricane said:
Nowhere did I say anything about rings....Talent wise maybe??...Are you insane??...Go look at the talent Butch had when Mario was at UM as a GA from 98-2000...and what that talent did in the NFL....and show me Sabans talent during ANY 3yr span during his tenure at Bama that even remotely comes close.....You can't....
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Butch could have 3 national championships and we know that
 
hydro66 said:
Butch could have 3 national championships and we know that
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Could is the operative word. We did in 2001 and he most definitely would have 1 there. He should have had the 2000 bc we were better than FSU (who we were curb stomping in the first half and still won) and I'll take us seven days of the week and twice on Saturdays against Oklahoma.

But that bull**** Ohio St. (talented but not like us) game was something different. It just felt like the universe swirled up and said nope not today. I wanna believe Butch would've made a difference but it just seemed like the 94 Washington game when everything went wrong. I wanna believe he gets it done but 35 games in a row is gd tough.

The 2003 team I think had the roster to win it and our coaching, motivation, and preparation lets us down. I remember Butch in the locker room after VT in 2000 pleading with the players to not worry about the BCS but next week, saying "there's Pitt and there ain't nothing else" and telling em after a ******* huge win thats why you run in that sand, thats why you lift all them weights, to be just a little bit tougher than that bunch in the other locker room. He may not be the best gameday guy but he was keeping em focused. I think he makes a difference

I love Butch but getting 3 is a tall order. I think he could but still tough. Our admin wasn't exactly on board with putting resources in like they have the past 3 months.
 
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SWFLHurricane said:
Butch put 25 into the NFL in alot less time....Butch's kids will have atleast 5 Busts in Canton....Saban will have none...only a f-ing moron would think 2018 Bama's offense has ANYTHING on 2000 UMs offense....Where??...At RB??...Nope....At WR??....Nope...At TE??....Nope....Please Stop....
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Butch Davis not only identified, evaluated, recruited and signed an insane collection of talent. He also built a culture/foundation for that talent to flourish despite the loss of 31 scholarships, flagrant media bias, a BOT that hated him and the football program, minimal funding and facilities that ranked well below average.

The quality and depth of talent that Davis brought in was such that Miami was in position and quite realistically could have should have won the National Title from 2000-2002. In 2000 we should have played OU in the title game and we would have beaten them without a single shred of doubt. We won in 2001 then again in 2002 everyone knows what happened. I could make a strong case for 2003 as well if ****er would have removed his head from his *** and realized before the season that Brock Berlin was a shotgun QB our offense would have been very good and along with the 2003 defense which was the best of that era we would have stomped LSU, OU or USC and claimed our 4th straight title! When I look back at that period from 2000-2003, I can't shake the feeling that we underachieved in terms of titles won for the amount of talent we had but that is another conversation altogether.
 
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Cristobal was an assistant head coach, offensive line coach and recruiting coordinator for Nick Saban and Alabama from 2013-16. Out of those years with the Crimson Tide, Cristobal was a part of one national championship team in 2015 as well as a runner-up finish after the 2016 season.


Cristobal takes more than just game planning and how to prepare his players from his old mentor. Later in the interview, he touched on how he wants to make practice exactly how Alabama would practice.
“If you come to our practice, you’d wonder if you were (at Alabama) or here. That is a real-deal blueprint of what you want from your very own (program) in terms of development, toughness, and competitiveness.”
 
E1k said:
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Why Oregon head coach Mario Cristobal credits Nick Saban for his success

Mario Cristobal has put up some pretty impressive numbers since taking the head coaching job at Oregon in 2018. From finishing his first season 9-4 and winning the 2018 Redbox bowl against the Michigan State Spartans, to then leading the team the following season to a 12-4 record and winning a...
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Cristobal was an assistant head coach, offensive line coach and recruiting coordinator for Nick Saban and Alabama from 2013-16. Out of those years with the Crimson Tide, Cristobal was a part of one national championship team in 2015 as well as a runner-up finish after the 2016 season.


Cristobal takes more than just game planning and how to prepare his players from his old mentor. Later in the interview, he touched on how he wants to make practice exactly how Alabama would practice.
“If you come to our practice, you’d wonder if you were (at Alabama) or here. That is a real-deal blueprint of what you want from your very own (program) in terms of development, toughness, and competitiveness.”
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I'd bet my last Dollar that Bama's practices the past 10yrs have NOTHING on what I personally witnessed at Greentree from 95-01.....You simply can't comprehend how Grueling & Brutal they were. Ask any former player during those yrs if I'm not 100% correct...The competition was unparalleled.
Remember....It was Saban himself who called Butch, ( Not Bowden, Paterno,, Osborne...etc) and asked if he could come down from MSU and watch what all the Buzz was about....Even Howard's Breakfast Club workouts were Ruthless...
 
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SWFLHurricane said:
I'd bet my last Dollar that Bama's practices the past 10yrs have NOTHING on what I personally witnessed at Greentree from 95-01.....You simply can't comprehend how Grueling & Brutal they were. Ask any former player during those yrs if I'm not 100% correct...The competition was unparalleled.
Remember....It was Saban himself who called Butch, ( Not Bowden, Paterno,, Osborne...etc) and asked if he could come down from MSU and watch what all the Buzz was about....Even Howard's Breakfast Club workouts were Ruthless...
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I didn’t deny or say their practices were anything close to ours. But every time i hear mario speak about who’s impacted his coaching career the most he says its saban. Guy said he still has a big binder of notes he took when he was there. Butch definitely impacted him too but it seems you’re trying to downplay saban’s greatness to prop up butch when I don’t think that’s necessary lol.

I think everybody knows and is grateful for butch’s greatness here but comparing him to saban even if saban learned some stuff from him is iffy man.
 
E1k said:
I didn’t deny or say their practices were anything close to ours. But every time i hear mario speak about who’s impacted his coaching career the most he says its saban. Guy said he still has a big binder of notes he took when he was there. Butch definitely impacted him too but it seems you’re trying to downplay saban’s greatness to prop up butch
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I was in Mario's office 2 weeks ago...and I spoke at length with him....I know what I'm talking about....Mario speaks to Butch regularly...please stop....Butch...Not Saban gave Mario his start when Bama was Trash...
 
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SWFLHurricane said:
I was in Mario's office 2 weeks ago...and I spoke at length with him....I know what I'm talking about....Mario speaks to Butch regularly...please stop....Butch...Not Saban gave Mario his start when Bama was Trash...
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You’re saying this like im making it up, that is what mario has said a bunch of times in interviews. It’s obvious both impacted him but idk why you’re downplaying sabans impact when mario is saying thats the blueprint for modern cfb
 
E1k said:
I didn’t deny or say their practices were anything close to ours. But every time i hear mario speak about who’s impacted his coaching career the most he says its saban. Guy said he still has a big binder of notes he took when he was there. Butch definitely impacted him too but it seems you’re trying to downplay saban’s greatness to prop up butch when I don’t think that’s necessary lol.

I think everybody knows and is grateful for butch’s greatness here but comparing him to saban even if saban learned some stuff from him is iffy man.
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Cot **** right I'll downplay a F-ing cheating POS...Lol at his Greatness....where was his Greatness at before having a Bank tied to his wallet?
 
E1k said:
You’re saying this like im making it up, that is what mario has said a bunch of times in interviews. It’s obvious both impacted him but idk why you’re downplaying sabans impact when mario is saying thats the blueprint for modern cfb
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Believe what you want...And this BS about "Modern" CFB is an absolute joke...You act like 2000 was 1920....
 
SWFLHurricane said:
Cot **** right I'll downplay a F-ing cheating POS...Lol at his Greatness....where was his Greatness at before having a Bank tied to his wallet?
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He was a DC in the nfl bro lmfaoo he’s one of the greatest football minds ever, ask belichick the greatest pro coach ever. He put in defensive rules that teams still use today. **** near all of gis coaching tree is successful and say he taught them alot looll its ok to respect someone’s greatness bro.

And in this era everybody cheats so that point is weak imo, i hope we start playing by those rules or we ain’t winning **** lol
SWFLHurricane said:
Believe what you want...And this BS about "Modern" CFB is an absolute joke...You act like 2000 was 1920....
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College football is different now man cmon lets be serious. If it was the same we wouldn’t have been **** for almost 2 decades.
 
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