TAC x Patke Interaction

[HarrietTubmanCane]

The main issue and explanation for this thread is that Manny believes in and has taught his coaching staff to gain and command respect (really submission or loyalty) of the players by withholding playing time.

Manny is deeply insecure and doesn’t know how to properly earn the respect of the kids we recruit. He has learned to cope with this by coercion.

A coach simply earns his respect and loyalty by his ability to put the players in positions to be successful individually and as a team/program. If you can actually coach successful football then respect and loyalty naturally comes with that from your players.

Manny’s discipline is the withholding of playing time no matter your skill set, ability or talent level. He determines playing time by: how long have U been with us (him and his staff), are you one of our guys. That’s how they build trust.

The two factions: players and coaches are forming trust and respect, based off of two very different philosophies and that’s where the rift lies.

The players believe that respect, trust and loyalty in football is determined by your ability to be good and successful at what you do, especially when it matters most.

Our coaching staff believes that respect, trust and loyalty in football are determined by how long you’ve been around them to take in their coaching and how you have made them feel about it (do you buy in/ do you believe we are the smartest dudes in the room) *despite our outcomes*.

 

[waynejr31]

Your boy has been playing well the last couple of games.

What has changed with him? Feeling healthy, more comfortable in his assignments, more prepared, all of the above?

Had a GREAT game against NC State and i think Dmoney mentioned that

Nothing changed, just healthier and getting more reps.

 

[NorthEastCane]

Bro, have you seen the games this season? I know you have and its rhetorical but the corches have publicly stated they played guys over other guys just because they were older or here longer, not based on talent or merit.. We dont play the best players at miami, we play guys the corches feel more comfortable with.. Guys have to get injured for season for other guys to even get opportunities..

NONE of this is message board speculation, this is all verifiable fact straight from hc mouth and he said they made changes when basically he was fired or guys were too injured to play

Links please.

Of course I've heard this forever on this site but I've never heard a quote from the staff.

 

[NorthEastCane]

There is a lot we don't see that goes on at practice to be fair. Maybe Cave is struggling and isn't picking up the playbook. Knowing what your doing when your out there is an important part, I know that's a big reason Huff doesn't play. That's not just a Manny thing Its a coaching thing in general, coaches will play the players who understand the scheme and know the playbook over ones who don't even if there more talented. Now I have no clue if that's the reason Cave isn't playing, he can't be much worse then Flagg. I really don't care if any of the LBs leave to be honest. Manny would be a straight up idiot if he didn't bring in two transfer starting LBs for next season

He didn't last year and it was a glaring weakness. As you suggest, there's just a chance he is a straight up idiot.

Who knows what he will do.

 

[jsy]

Lol..man I like tac coming in. But he is a 2nd year fresh. He wasn’t some extremely talented prospect..so the fact that he is the 2021 Greentree AA..lord help us. This is a non issue. Guys we are not hiding the next Devin white on the 3rd team

The issue is
He can’t be worse than what manny continues to trot out there
So it’s relative
from a physical stand point tac is devin white compared to ragone 11 or 44
What manny fails to comprehend is that no matter how much u know a play or know the opponent if your so physically limited it doesn’t matter you can’t make a play
Classic example is picket just running right past 11 even if he knew where he was supposed to be

 

[SFbayCane]

Links please.

Of course I've heard this forever on this site but I've never heard a quote from the staff.

This is NOT message board speculation.

Manny said it in an interview a few weeks ago when the media fire was getting very hot under his A$$, "At some point you've got to play the best players."

I was blown away when he said that. I could not recall any coach in the history of the sport saying that. The obvious insinuation was that he was not previously playing the best players. It was that next game when many of the younger players started getting the lion's share of the game reps.

 

[SFbayCane]

Ive seen coaches do this type of thing before. My guess (bolded for a reason) is that the coaches told TAC he would get a few reps in the Pitt game because he would likely have family and friends in attendance. That's somewhat common when you recruit a kid from another area of the country. Then the game plays out and a walkon gets his reps. I'll be interested to find out if we ever get to know any potential back story here.

 

[AK_Cane]

Lol Gibbs is going to eat Saturday with our slow *** LBs

 

[NorthEastCane]

This is NOT message board speculation.

Manny said it in an interview a few weeks ago when the media fire was getting very hot under his A$$, "At some point you've got to play the best players."

I was blown away when he said that. I could not recall any coach in the history of the sport saying that. The obvious insinuation was that he was not previously playing the best players. It was that next game when many of the younger players started getting the lion's share of the game reps.

Jez, I'm sorry I missed it. I'm not on here 24x7.

I sensed as much as reps for the younger players went up, but to state it publicly is beyond belief.

 

[j06smith]

Not sure if anyone else was by the gate where the players come out after the game, but I was walking up and saw TAC talking to his dad I’d assume and he looked extremely upset and dad was upset as well. They talked a while and then Patke came out and pulled them both by the side and the dad was going OFF on Patke. I couldn’t hear the convo but he was ****ed and TAC looked ****** and had the look of he’s leaving. I’m guessing Ragone getting those snaps put him over. Makes no sense he can’t get any PT with the way the LB play has been all year.

Ridiculous. He and Manny need to go.

 

[j06smith]

Didn’t TAC come in with Flagg? How was Flagg able to surpass him? And Keontra was switched and immediately took playing time. Not saying TAC doesn’t deserve some snaps, but I’m sure it’s not all on the coaches, probably a mix.

Flagg was an early enrollee. TAC wasn't. That's how he got the jump.

 

[YST Cane]

Flagg was an early enrollee. TAC wasn't. That's how he got the jump.

But we’re in year 2 now. Plenty of time to earn reps.

 

[SFbayCane]

Jez, I'm sorry I missed it. I'm not on here 24x7.

I sensed as much as reps for the younger players went up, but to state it publicly is beyond belief.

Hey its not our fault that you have a life.

 

[j06smith]

But we’re in year 2 now. Plenty of time to earn reps.

You would think so, but do u trust our lb coach or our DC? They've shown an affinity for playing favorites, meaning vets and not the best player until forced to do so.

 

[clg003]

We held Pitt to its lowest rushing yards in a game all season... Besides Steed double clutching on his pursuit on that TD I think they LBS played better than expected. There was no reason to bring in some young bucks. It was the DBs that killed us all game.

The main issue and explanation for this thread is that Manny believes in and has taught his coaching staff to gain and command respect (really submission or loyalty) of the players by withholding playing time.

Manny is deeply insecure and doesn’t know how to properly earn the respect of the kids we recruit. He has learned to cope with this by coercion.

A coach simply earns his respect and loyalty by his ability to put the players in positions to be successful individually and as a team/program. If you can actually coach successfully football then respect and loyalty naturally comes with that from your players.

Manny’s discipline is the withholding of playing time no matter you skill set or ability or talent level. He determines playing time by: how long have U been with us (him and his staff), are you one of our guys. That’s how they build trust.

The two factions: players and coaches are forming trust and respect, based off of two very different philosophies and that’s where the rift lies.

The players believe that respect, trust and loyalty in football is determined by your ability to be good and successful at what you do, especially when it matters most.

Our coaching staff believes that respect, trust and loyalty in football are determined by how long you’ve been around them to take in their coaching and how you have made them feel about it (do you buy in/ do you believe we are the smartest dudes in the room) *despite our outcomes*.

Holy **** you made most of this up... do you really think you know this? Thats some schitzo shiat if I have ever heard it.

 

[HarrietTubmanCane]

We held Pitt to its lowest rushing yards in a game all season... Besides Steed double clutching on his pursuit on that TD I think they LBS played better than expected. There was no reason to bring in some young bucks. It was the DBs that killed us all game.

Holy **** you made most of this up... do you really think you know this? Thats some schitzo shiat if I have ever heard it.

U would know some schizo ish better than I would . I was thinking more along the lines of a poor narcissistic coping mechanism due to his feelings of inadequacy or imposter syndrome.

My 25 years of training and practice as a mental health professional led me to that conclusion and it can definitely be wrong. Such strong responses to the detailing or explanation of poor behaviors usually is a sign of guilt.

 

[YST Cane]

You would think so, but do u trust our lb coach or our DC? They've shown an affinity for playing favorites, meaning vets and not the best player until forced to do so.

Y’all gotta stop with this. Flagg is not a vet…..you know what…never mind

 

[1mg of Epi]

Links please.

Of course I've heard this forever on this site but I've never heard a quote from the staff.

Said it in a news conference

 

[305to954]

The issue is
He can’t be worse than what manny continues to trot out there
So it’s relative
from a physical stand point tac is devin white compared to ragone 11 or 44
What manny fails to comprehend is that no matter how much u know a play or know the opponent if your so physically limited it doesn’t matter you can’t make a play
Classic example is picket just running right past 11 even if he knew where he was supposed to be

In fairness this same argument was made for lingard..Hightower..etc etc. there’s no HC whose hiding a all American on the 3rd string. Kid is a 2nd year freshman. When a classmate is starting the favoritism thing goes out the window..and FYI Pickett will be a first rounder and is a good athlete..overreacted to 1 play that happens to every linebacker at any given point

 

[skillydoo]

This exactly. They fell in love with Flagg because he has good instincts and was well coached in high school and that is the key right there. The fact that Flagg was well coached in high school means that this coaching staff doesn't need to spend the extra time with him pounding in the basic fundamentals etc that they may need to with TAC. In other words Flagg is a high floor player with a very low ceiling and TAC had a lower floor yet has a much higher ceiling. These coaches just don't have the chops necessary to develop players like TAC so they throw out younger kids like Flagg who have high floors and have already been coached in the basics. They augment this by playing veterans who have marginal ability but a ton of experience and know where to line up, where to be etc. The staff is lazy and incompetent. Consequently we have guys like TAC, and Huff who are far superior athletically and have much higher ceilings than guys like Jennings and Flagg just rotting on the bench because the staff doesn't want to take the time or effort to develop them largely because they don't have the skills to develop them. It's absolutely pathetic.

Wow. This should be sent out to the Pres, the BOT, AD, potential AD and staff and any donors. This explains the last 6 years perfectly.