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TAC x Patke Interaction

Mnhurricane said:
Patke is somehow a worse coach than Mandy and that’s impressive. Sad thing is outside of keontra ragoo may have been the best LB on the field when he played those few snaps. Let that **** sink in as to how bad our other LBs have been. I would transfer too
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No the **** he ain’t lmao manny is a VET. And he’s still in charge of the LB player position. Patke shouldn’t be here he serves no purpose. And he’s my dude like we’re real friends. When he got the job he was told he would be free to do what he wished and that’s not the case
 
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Canes Device said:
Every single linebacker that Manny has recruited is below average or borderline unplayable, so I won't be too upset if any of those guys leaves, TAC is just the one we have yet to see ******* up. We need a real LB coach and a real Defensive scheme
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What if TAC ends up being one that the staff actually hit on where he's at least performing like an average P5 LB?
 
NC_Canes_11 said:
I missed the name but my point stands. You don’t even have to be D1 caliber to be better than what we put on the field. There is zero reason he shouldn’t be given a chance.
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I’m not saying he shouldn’t, I think he should and if he doesn’t against the next 4 teams we play then he has reason to gripe. We won the game and the two guys we are complaining about in this thread had 12 snaps combined.
 
Cookie917 said:
Ok let me try and clear up any confusion. I said he was 260 coming out of HS, that is what his bio says, you said he never played a down of college football at that weight (unsure how you know but I looked and he was listed 240 at LSU his last year), so for sake of argument, it is irrelevant, I agreed, end point. 260 lbs as a high schooler, lost 20 lbs in spring ball, played every down at LSU at 240 or less. sure lets go with that.

The reason I pointed out 260 in high school was because I am trying to compare a HS/early college kid to a HS/early college kid. White was like a 4.6/4.5 guy at 18 years old at 260 lbs. That is nuts, freak athlete, he lost 20 lbs of prob bad weight and got faster, that happens a lotttt, can you think of a guy who gained 35 lbs and dropped his 40 by OVER .3 and shuttle by .4? I legit cant, its an honest question, not throwing shade.

TAC's verified 40 time was 4.76 out of HS. That is why I said maybe he has long speed, the 200 does not really translate to the NFL. I mean, thats over 2 football fields, and he did ALL that at 203 lbs in track shoes. Yes he is decently fast in the 200, but I just looked for track and field, D1, times are 20.87-22.20, for DIII times are 22.34-24.50, so with his time he could compete in DIII.

Also our spring game likely isnt a good barometer of speed if you are comparing him to what we had out there. Again, he needs to play, we have nothing to lose, but saying he is going to blow up to White status in 2 years and be a guy with top 5 pick measurables seems far fetched to me.
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You take 1 number that a kid got to run on 1 day for whatever reason. Before my senior year of college baseball, I went to track every night to improve my speed. On the night before the 1st day 9f practice, I did my workout. I was sore the next day. We ran the 60 yard dash (baseball's forty) and my time was terrible because I was sore from the night before. Had no idea we were going to get timed on the 1st day.

My point is there may be many reasons why he ran a slow time. Whatever day he ran. It's obvious he's not a slow player and his his high school track numbers back that up. You're not running the 55 meters in HS being 4.8. Your not even on the track team unless you throwing the shot put.

New Jersey is a very populated state especially for its geographic size. Cave would have to be the real deal to compete for his high school team in track especially in Camden, NJ. 22.86 in the 200? That's **** fast!!!

The bottom line is we have sub par play at MLB. This young man has athleticism. He can run sideline to sideline. He HASN'T been given an opportunity and should be.
 
Number1CanesFan said:
It may be crazy, but it was warranted. I'm sure Dad thought he was having a private conversation.

Message needed to be sent. Not going to sit behind sub par play. Get your **** together or we out!!!
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I applaud his dad. These coaches are incompetent and they're ******* with his son's future. He's looking out for him.
 
orange&green84 said:
What if TAC ends up being one that the staff actually hit on where he's at least performing like an average P5 LB?
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It could happen. I'm just saying I won't be mad if he transfers, there's only a handful of players that would make me upset if they leave. I remember this place being up in flames when the likes of Hightower, Derrick Smith, the Williams CB and others average players left. If they go on to have great careers good for them.

And don't get me wrong, with how awful our LBs are playing, I think he should at least get a fair shot to show something. But we've been complaining about LB play since 2018 (Pinck and Shaq were still here), I don't think its just the players fault, the system ******* sucks, its worse now because we just have below avg CFB LBs at the position
 
Manny and Patke can say it however they want but for him not to see any action is inexcusable. There is nothing they can tell me. Nothing. Even in a crowded WR room that goes **** near 12 deep and has talented guys they find a way to get Brinson, George and BSmith some snaps. In a crowded DT room, they find a way to make sure LT get snaps. In a position group that has the least depth and least talent overall, you cant find a way to get him on the field in his 2nd year? Not buying it.

But this is the problem with keeping Manny on and not firing him after the UNC game. He is so nervous Nelly about losing another game because he knows that will be the end of him, that he isnt going to take any risks. At all. So a guy like TAC he deems as risky. Same with Thad Franklin. He wants to go into the foxhole with the guys he knows even if its at the expense of not giving a chance to a kid who might be better.
 
SouthParkCane said:
No the **** he ain’t lmao manny is a VET. And he’s still in charge of the LB player position. Patke shouldn’t be here he serves no purpose. And he’s my dude like we’re real friends. When he got the job he was told he would be free to do what he wished and that’s not the case
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I was about to reply that I highly doubt he gets to handle playing time so he's probably getting yelled at by TAC's dad even though it's Manny's fault.

You think Manny has hurt his career more than helping it? I'm genuinely curious. It seems like he got good exposure but he also gets blamed for a lot of things he probably doesn't have control over.
 
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Jassid82 said:
Manny and Patke can say it however they want but for him not to see any action is inexcusable. There is nothing they can tell me. Nothing. Even in a crowded WR room that goes **** near 12 deep and has talented guys they find a way to get Brinson, George and BSmith some snaps. In a crowded DT room, they find a way to make sure LT get snaps. In a position group that has the least depth and least talent overall, you cant find a way to get him on the field in his 2nd year? Not buying it.

But this is the problem with keeping Manny on and not firing him after the UNC game. He is so nervous Nelly about losing another game because he knows that will be the end of him, that he isnt going to take any risks. At all. So a guy like TAC he deems as risky. Same with Thad Franklin. He wants to go into the foxhole with the guys he knows even if its at the expense of not giving a chance to a kid who might be better.
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LT is a 5 star and you can put 5 WRs on the field at a time. Thad is a true freshman and Knighton is playing well. I guess I depends on your definition of risky.
 
Number1CanesFan said:
Yes. Tyrique Austin-Cave. Check out his high school track and field numbers. You can't see most of them without paying, but he ran the 200 meters in 23 seconds indoors and 22.86 outdoors.
www.athletic.net

Tirek Austin-Cave - NJ Track and Field Bio

Tirek Austin-Cave - NJ Track and Field results and photos on Athletic.net
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Patke and Diaz are going to look like the biggest fools when this young man transfers and becomes a star.
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Those times are solid but not 4.37 fast
 
Hoyacane1620 said:
Tirek Austin Cave, kid from NJ that Patke recruited. He should be on the field. no logical reason why he isn't getting any snaps
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There is a lot we don't see that goes on at practice to be fair. Maybe Cave is struggling and isn't picking up the playbook. Knowing what your doing when your out there is an important part, I know that's a big reason Huff doesn't play. That's not just a Manny thing Its a coaching thing in general, coaches will play the players who understand the scheme and know the playbook over ones who don't even if there more talented. Now I have no clue if that's the reason Cave isn't playing, he can't be much worse then Flagg. I really don't care if any of the LBs leave to be honest. Manny would be a straight up idiot if he didn't bring in two transfer starting LBs for next season
 
Jassid82 said:
Manny and Patke can say it however they want but for him not to see any action is inexcusable. There is nothing they can tell me. Nothing. Even in a crowded WR room that goes **** near 12 deep and has talented guys they find a way to get Brinson, George and BSmith some snaps. In a crowded DT room, they find a way to make sure LT get snaps. In a position group that has the least depth and least talent overall, you cant find a way to get him on the field in his 2nd year? Not buying it.

But this is the problem with keeping Manny on and not firing him after the UNC game. He is so nervous Nelly about losing another game because he knows that will be the end of him, that he isnt going to take any risks. At all. So a guy like TAC he deems as risky. Same with Thad Franklin. He wants to go into the foxhole with the guys he knows even if its at the expense of not giving a chance to a kid who might be better.
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See, that was my point in my earlier post. There's this conspiracy theory around here that only upperclassmen play. Yet, we know that plenty of freshmen have played. How is it that some freshmen or 2nd year players see snaps and TAC doesn't? The logical conclusion is that he isn't doing in practice or off the field enough to get on the field.
 
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Number1CanesFan said:
Because they fell in love with Flagg from the Spring game. Flagg has more instincts and played a higher level of football in high school where he was taught the position better IMO.

The thing is thst Flagg for the most part isn't playing at the level he did in the Spring and I think it’s because he can play faster against his own team where he knows what the offense is going to do

I think Austin-Cave has the highest ceiling at MLB. He should get an opportunity to show what he can do. If anything else, it should be to hold the others in front of him accountable.
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Everything you just said is an assumption. TAC played against the same team in Spring.
 
TOcane said:
LT is a 5 star and you can put 5 WRs on the field at a time. Thad is a true freshman and Knighton is playing well. I guess I depends on your definition of risky.
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Lets put the cards on the table, the only reason why LT is playing is because there was alot of noise about UF coaches reaching out to his HS coach about a transfer and LT was visibly ****ed off about not seeing any action going into that UVA game. I have every reason to believe that if we were 7-1 right now, LT would be seeing very little action and Manny would hide behind his record.

Knighton is a beast but he looked winded at times out there. Thad and Cory should get snaps if only to give him a breather. Esp Thad.

TAC should be seeing PT. Plain and simple.
 
Jassid82 said:
Lets put the cards on the table, the only reason why LT is playing is because there was alot of noise about UF coaches reaching out to his HS coach about a transfer and LT was visibly ****ed off about not seeing any action going into that UVA game. I have every reason to believe that if we were 7-1 right now, LT would be seeing very little action and Manny would hide behind his record.

Knighton is a beast but he looked winded at times out there. Thad and Cory should get snaps if only to give him a breather. Esp Thad.

TAC should be seeing PT. Plain and simple.
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Why Thad over Brown, I’m not partial to either just wondering why it’s a big deal he’s not getting snaps.
 
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