Strength Program - Excess Fat

[nystateofmind]

Richt was an elite offensive mind at FSU. Times have changed. He isn't now.

Richt's offense is just as timely and relevant today as it was at FSU.

He's not retrograde at all.

You just seem to be making stuff up.

Are you insane?

If Richt ran the exact same offense he ran at FSU today we would be lucky to win four games. Thankfully he isn't that stupid.

 

[Doppelganger]

First you called Richt average (you don't seem to know what 'average' means) and then you said he can't win a natty (even though he already did).

You couldn't have been more wrong.

I have to correct myself.

You said he was BELOW average.

 

[Doppelganger]

If Richt ran the exact same offense he ran at FSU today we would be lucky to win four games. Thankfully he isn't that stupid.

So then how has the game passed him by?

What evidence are you using to say that he's lost it?

None whatsoever.

You're just saying it.

 

[nystateofmind]

He is a below average OC. And that's not good enough to win a Natty.

Richt as OC.

1994: 10-1-1 (# 4)
1995: 10-2-0 (# 4)
1996: 11-1-0 (# 3)
1997: 11-1-0 (# 3)
1998: 11-2-0 (# 3)
1999: 12-0-0 (National Champions)
2000: 11-2-0 (# 5)
2001: 8-4-0 (# 22)
2002: 13-1-0 (# 3)
2003: 11-3-0 (# 7)
2004: 10-2-0 (# 7)
2005: 10-3-0 (# 10)
2006: 9-4-0 (# 23)
2016: 9-4-0 (# 20)
2017: 7-0-0 (# 8)

Lol.

He won a NC twenty years ago. The game has changed immensely since then.

It’s not like Richt has been out of coaching since then.

He may not have been calling plays the last 10 years, but it’s silly to pretend like he’s baffled by cover 3.

The game has changed such a great deal the last 10 years with spread offenses.

Monte Kiffin was an elite DC for many years in the NFL. He left the Bucs in '09 to go with Lane to USC. When he came back in '13 with Dallas he was so caught off guard by the changes that they had to replace him with Rod Marinelli halfway through the year.

 

[John77]

I've been frustrated by the offense, but calling him a below average play-caller is going a bit overboard considering his track record. Rosier is limited as a QB, he doesn't see the field all that great.

 

[nystateofmind]

If Richt ran the exact same offense he ran at FSU today we would be lucky to win four games. Thankfully he isn't that stupid.

So then how has the game passed him by?

What evidence are you using to say that he's lost it?

None whatsoever.

You're just saying it.

He's changed his offense but not nearly enough. That's what I'm saying.

Its a retro-modern hybrid when we need to go full modern.

 

[AdrianP]

Richt was an elite offensive mind at FSU. Times have changed. He isn't now.

Richt's offense is just as timely and relevant today as it was at FSU.

He's not retrograde at all.

You just seem to be making stuff up.

Are you insane?

If Richt ran the exact same offense he ran at FSU today we would be lucky to win four games. Thankfully he isn't that stupid.

What offense is that? I bet you have no clue. You couldn't even name 3 plays from that offense without googling it. Lol. Just another drunk clown sitting at a sports bar mouthing off about shi$$ he don't understand.

 

[nystateofmind]

Richt had essentially added a few new wrinkles to his FSU offense and gone with a spread instead of a single back.

But that's not enough. The whole thing needs to be modernized. I'm sure LuCane or one of those guys could do a big breakdown.

 

[DeadPoets]

I would love to see a sky cam replay of next weeks game. Then we can truly analyze the WR routes, etc.
other than JT's TD pass today, it seemed we were throwing into really right coverages.

 

[nystateofmind]

I would love to see a sky cam replay of next weeks game. Then we can truly analyze the WR routes, etc.
other than JT's TD pass today, it seemed we were throwing into really right coverages.

The route concepts are the same ones from 2000.

They worked then. They don't work now.

 

[CanesAreAble]

The game has changed such a great deal the last 10 years with spread offenses.

Monte Kiffin was an elite DC for many years in the NFL. He left the Bucs in '09 to go with Lane to USC. When he came back in '13 with Dallas he was so caught off guard by the changes that they had to replace him with Rod Marinelli halfway through the year.

Kiffin never left coaching.

So when did the game pass him by? Is every coach over 50 just garbage?

 

[CanesAreAble]

I would love to see a sky cam replay of next weeks game. Then we can truly analyze the WR routes, etc.
other than JT's TD pass today, it seemed we were throwing into really right coverages.

The route concepts are the same ones from 2000.

They worked then. They don't work now.

Please elaborate.

 

[nystateofmind]

The game has changed such a great deal the last 10 years with spread offenses.

Monte Kiffin was an elite DC for many years in the NFL. He left the Bucs in '09 to go with Lane to USC. When he came back in '13 with Dallas he was so caught off guard by the changes that they had to replace him with Rod Marinelli halfway through the year.

Kiffin never left coaching.

So when did the game pass him by? Is every coach over 50 just garbage?

Some are able to adapt, some aren't.

To this point Richt has adapted somewhat, but not enough.

 

[arinand1]

I've already tried talking about this and no one wants to hear it, so don't even bother OP.

The "this isn't a beauty contest" argument is nonsense. I'm sure their conditioning (way too many mental errors too) has nothing at all to do with our highly touted freshmen linebackers all taking a step back this season, and arguably the worst unit on the defense now that the secondary has improved.

Yep, nothing to do at all. You guys go ahead and keep those orange and green shades on for a while.

Edit: Also, before anyone mentions Syracuse and Pinckney's performance, our secondary with their turnovers and lockdown coverage won that game and there's not even a debate. Their (very talented) receivers were mostly shut down and Dungey typically had no choice but to take off, get sacked, or throw picks. DBs stepped up and won that game, it's that simple.

This dude's jumping on board and supporting a troll post by Dead Poets. LOLOL

Show us all the science behind how our bad conditioning has cost us all the missed tackles. Many of those missed tackles are very early in games, so it would be odd to see a lack of conditioning affect them in the 1st quarter.

Then, you turn around and claim our DBs won the Syracuse game. Are they conditioned by some other strength coach? Or did their conditioning not matter as they stuck to SU WRs after 95 plays in 95% humidity?

Did you consider the possibility that certain players have different regiments? You think Golden is still the coach and everyone still does the same U Tough (or whatever the **** that ridiculous **** was called) workouts?

It is beyond obvious the LBs have been slow as **** and that's a big reason we've been getting ran all over. Clearly I don't know the details of the workouts - no one on here does other than MAYBE a few close to the program - but the LBers have been extremely sluggish.

It's also moronic to deny the blatant visual evidence of guys' physical builds changing. Whether that's on Gus or lack of work effort is beyond my or your knowledge, but Shaq especially does not seem to be the lazy type - far from it.

But please, continue on with your condescending internet tough guy schtick without actually using any critical thinking. I know all your fanboys on here will lap it up.

It called STRENGTH and CONDITIONING. I see GREAT conditioning just not enough strength. All I'm saying.

They don't get the difference. My original post didn't directly knock the conditioning program - in fact I praised Felder for improving our conditioning level.

CIS is the most sensitive message board in all of CFB. I'm convinced of it.

You critique something, or make an observation that might threaten their predetermined biases, and all **** breaks loose.

This. Not sure why it's so hard to grasp. Watching everyone freak out like little girls when anyone points out a potential issue is astounding.

 

[arinand1]

wish we could trim the fat and these guys would just kill themselves...

Nice! Add nothing to the discussion and suggest we kill ourselves. The internet is too much for you, just go ahead and log off.

And as predicted this fūckclown NY is back with his infinitesimally small knowledge of football to claim he was right.

Please drink a gallon of hydrochloric acid followed by a gallon of bleach.

You clearly can’t discern or understand poor quarterback play, poor execution, playing down to the competition, and it’s relationship to offensive playcalling. You are a huge assclown - just stop posting - it becomes clearer with every post

LOL you've got to be kidding me. We forced four turnovers again while scoring only 24 and struggled to put away 1-7 North Carolina who is missing something like 16 players. It's ridiculous how petulant you act simply because the guy actually ended up being right. Get a grip.

We are 7-0, which is great and all, but we're consistently barely scraping by average (to be generous) teams. As someone who has actually been a defender of his playcalling, at some point you have to stop blaming players. The point is that we have enough talented skill players that Rosier doesn't have to be great or even very good for us to put up more than 24 ******* points on 1-7 UNC while forcing FOUR TURNOVERS. Doesn't take an offensive genius to recognize that it goes beyond poor execution, which is just generic coach speak for the most part anyway. Guess we should blindly hope that we "play up" to our competition the next two weeks or we're going to get ran out of our own stadium by the only two good teams on our weak *** schedule.

 

[DeadPoets]

wish we could trim the fat and these guys would just kill themselves...

Nice! Add nothing to the discussion and suggest we kill ourselves. The internet is too much for you, just go ahead and log off.

And as predicted this fūckclown NY is back with his infinitesimally small knowledge of football to claim he was right.

Please drink a gallon of hydrochloric acid followed by a gallon of bleach.

You clearly can’t discern or understand poor quarterback play, poor execution, playing down to the competition, and it’s relationship to offensive playcalling. You are a huge assclown - just stop posting - it becomes clearer with every post

LOL you've got to be kidding me. We forced four turnovers again while scoring only 24 and struggled to put away 1-7 North Carolina who is missing something like 16 players. It's ridiculous how petulant you act simply because the guy actually ended up being right. Get a grip.

We are 7-0, which is great and all, but we're consistently barely scraping by average (to be generous) teams. As someone who has actually been a defender of his playcalling, at some point you have to stop blaming players. The point is that we have enough talented skill players that Rosier doesn't have to be great or even very good for us to put up more than 24 ****ing points on 1-7 UNC while forcing FOUR TURNOVERS. Doesn't take an offensive genius to recognize that it goes beyond poor execution, which is just generic coach speak for the most part anyway. Guess we should blindly hope that we "play up" to our competition the next two weeks or we're going to get ran out of our own stadium by the only two good teams on our weak *** schedule.

4 turnovers AND a punt block.

 

[arinand1]

wish we could trim the fat and these guys would just kill themselves...

Nice! Add nothing to the discussion and suggest we kill ourselves. The internet is too much for you, just go ahead and log off.

And as predicted this fūckclown NY is back with his infinitesimally small knowledge of football to claim he was right.

Please drink a gallon of hydrochloric acid followed by a gallon of bleach.

You clearly can’t discern or understand poor quarterback play, poor execution, playing down to the competition, and it’s relationship to offensive playcalling. You are a huge assclown - just stop posting - it becomes clearer with every post

LOL you've got to be kidding me. We forced four turnovers again while scoring only 24 and struggled to put away 1-7 North Carolina who is missing something like 16 players. It's ridiculous how petulant you act simply because the guy actually ended up being right. Get a grip.

We are 7-0, which is great and all, but we're consistently barely scraping by average (to be generous) teams. As someone who has actually been a defender of his playcalling, at some point you have to stop blaming players. The point is that we have enough talented skill players that Rosier doesn't have to be great or even very good for us to put up more than 24 ****ing points on 1-7 UNC while forcing FOUR TURNOVERS. Doesn't take an offensive genius to recognize that it goes beyond poor execution, which is just generic coach speak for the most part anyway. Guess we should blindly hope that we "play up" to our competition the next two weeks or we're going to get ran out of our own stadium by the only two good teams on our weak *** schedule.

4 turnovers AND a punt block.

You're right, forgot to add in the punt block. Makes it even worse, but no one wants to hear it.

Four turnovers and a punt block. 1-7 UNC missing 15 or 16 players. But it's clearly just a simple case of poor execution, right?

 

[AdrianP]

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wish we could trim the fat and these guys would just kill themselves...

Nice! Add nothing to the discussion and suggest we kill ourselves. The internet is too much for you, just go ahead and log off.

And as predicted this fūckclown NY is back with his infinitesimally small knowledge of football to claim he was right.

Please drink a gallon of hydrochloric acid followed by a gallon of bleach.

You clearly can’t discern or understand poor quarterback play, poor execution, playing down to the competition, and it’s relationship to offensive playcalling. You are a huge assclown - just stop posting - it becomes clearer with every post

LOL you've got to be kidding me. We forced four turnovers again while scoring only 24 and struggled to put away 1-7 North Carolina who is missing something like 16 players. It's ridiculous how petulant you act simply because the guy actually ended up being right. Get a grip.

We are 7-0, which is great and all, but we're consistently barely scraping by average (to be generous) teams. As someone who has actually been a defender of his playcalling, at some point you have to stop blaming players. The point is that we have enough talented skill players that Rosier doesn't have to be great or even very good for us to put up more than 24 ****ing points on 1-7 UNC while forcing FOUR TURNOVERS. Doesn't take an offensive genius to recognize that it goes beyond poor execution, which is just generic coach speak for the most part anyway. Guess we should blindly hope that we "play up" to our competition the next two weeks or we're going to get ran out of our own stadium by the only two good teams on our weak *** schedule.

richt has performed a miracle making our career benchwarmer qb who never bothered to watch film into a serviceable starter and you want to scapegoat Richt's play calling? Lol. This is why we have the dumbest fanbase in America. Our fans want us to make our transfer candidate qb learn even more complex "creative" plays when he can barely execute the plays we already have.

 

[ChosenOne]

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wish we could trim the fat and these guys would just kill themselves...

Nice! Add nothing to the discussion and suggest we kill ourselves. The internet is too much for you, just go ahead and log off.

And as predicted this fūckclown NY is back with his infinitesimally small knowledge of football to claim he was right.

Please drink a gallon of hydrochloric acid followed by a gallon of bleach.

You clearly can’t discern or understand poor quarterback play, poor execution, playing down to the competition, and it’s relationship to offensive playcalling. You are a huge assclown - just stop posting - it becomes clearer with every post

LOL you've got to be kidding me. We forced four turnovers again while scoring only 24 and struggled to put away 1-7 North Carolina who is missing something like 16 players. It's ridiculous how petulant you act simply because the guy actually ended up being right. Get a grip.

We are 7-0, which is great and all, but we're consistently barely scraping by average (to be generous) teams. As someone who has actually been a defender of his playcalling, at some point you have to stop blaming players. The point is that we have enough talented skill players that Rosier doesn't have to be great or even very good for us to put up more than 24 ****ing points on 1-7 UNC while forcing FOUR TURNOVERS. Doesn't take an offensive genius to recognize that it goes beyond poor execution, which is just generic coach speak for the most part anyway. Guess we should blindly hope that we "play up" to our competition the next two weeks or we're going to get ran out of our own stadium by the only two good teams on our weak *** schedule.

richt has performed a miracle making our career benchwarmer qb who never bothered to watch film into a serviceable starter and you want to scapegoat Richt's play calling? Lol. This is why we have the dumbest fanbase in America. Our fans want us to make our transfer candidate qb learn even more complex "creative" plays when he can barely execute the plays we already have.

honestly, our offense kinda looks like it being ran by a backup. Only 24 points vs a reeling 1-7 UNC team is on some starter got hurt in the 1st QTR so the backup QB had the finish the game type ****. Thats how our offense looks.

 

[arinand1]

C

wish we could trim the fat and these guys would just kill themselves...

Nice! Add nothing to the discussion and suggest we kill ourselves. The internet is too much for you, just go ahead and log off.

And as predicted this fūckclown NY is back with his infinitesimally small knowledge of football to claim he was right.

Please drink a gallon of hydrochloric acid followed by a gallon of bleach.

You clearly can’t discern or understand poor quarterback play, poor execution, playing down to the competition, and it’s relationship to offensive playcalling. You are a huge assclown - just stop posting - it becomes clearer with every post

LOL you've got to be kidding me. We forced four turnovers again while scoring only 24 and struggled to put away 1-7 North Carolina who is missing something like 16 players. It's ridiculous how petulant you act simply because the guy actually ended up being right. Get a grip.

We are 7-0, which is great and all, but we're consistently barely scraping by average (to be generous) teams. As someone who has actually been a defender of his playcalling, at some point you have to stop blaming players. The point is that we have enough talented skill players that Rosier doesn't have to be great or even very good for us to put up more than 24 ****ing points on 1-7 UNC while forcing FOUR TURNOVERS. Doesn't take an offensive genius to recognize that it goes beyond poor execution, which is just generic coach speak for the most part anyway. Guess we should blindly hope that we "play up" to our competition the next two weeks or we're going to get ran out of our own stadium by the only two good teams on our weak *** schedule.

richt has performed a miracle making our career benchwarmer qb who never bothered to watch film into a serviceable starter and you want to scapegoat Richt's play calling? Lol. This is why we have the dumbest fanbase in America. Our fans want us to make our transfer candidate qb learn even more complex "creative" plays when he can barely execute the plays we already have.

Look, I'm not going to sit here and say Richt is a TERRIBLE playcaller, because he isn't - he has done a decent job with Rosier, but we are way too predictable. When a garbage defense like UNC's is keying on just about everything we do, you can't simply blame the QB (who, yes, is very average) for everything. Rosier is clearly a tough dude who often could run for huge chunks if he pulls the ball and takes off, but the fact that he consistently doesn't points toward Richt calling the play and not giving Rosier the option. That's only one small aspect of the offense, but it's definitely a microcosm of how predictable we are. Yes, Rosier doesn't see open guys at times, but there is often no rhythm whatsoever to our offense because we consistently run into stacked boxes (doesn't help that our OL has moments where they couldn't block the opposing team's cheerleading squad, but they have mostly been much better than last year). Richt even mentioned the stacked boxes in today's post-game press conference, yet he still calls runs into those boxes on typical running downs. Does that not sound problematic to you?