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umhurricane2511 said:
Every team in American worked out hard today as a team.
Show me what they're doing in their "down time" to be great.
Miami was always its best when we worked harder than anyone else.
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You mean like when the 2000 team would pull trucks at the field during their off time? That team was always working out to get better.
 
TheMatador said:
When I was in HS in the early '60's most HS teams didn't lift at all.

A friend who played and started for UM in the late '60's, including our number 9 ranked team in '67, told me some guys lifted--it was optional, not required.
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Very interesting. I was talking about current HS teams though.
 
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Dilber said:
There is zero reason for football players to be pulling sumo. Sumo puts a lot of stress on the hips, and not everyone has the hip socket to be able to do it correctly or even safely. Stop thinking of trendy powerlifting lifts as the end all be all for S&C. Athletes should be programmed based off their leverages, which is what a good S&C coach is doing anyways.

Hex Bar deads would probably be best from an injury-prevention perspective, as there is a lot less lower back stress (which is already being fatigued from getting hit all the god**** time), and build a **** of a lot more leg power.
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You pull sumo to build glutes and hips. There is no absolute right answer here. Much of it will depend on body type as sumo is better for some then others based on torsos, leg, and arm length ratios. Personally, I would rotate all 3.

Hex bars are less risky for back injuries then conventional if form isn’t taught but they aren’t the same lift and aren’t as good at developing the postierer chain as conventional deadlifts.
 
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Canegrad89 said:
This is absolutely correct. If the players only lifted weights, they would be strong but stiff as a board (which would diminish speed and range of motion as well as lead to a ton of injuries).

Core work is critical for all of the reasons you mentioned as well as supporting the back. Looking at our OL last year (under the old S&C coach), it appeared to me that they weren't doing enough core work (they were carrying too much weight in their midsections). That limits explosiveness, mobility & can contribute to missed blocks etc.

Elite athletes in the NFL & NBA do extensive functional fitness work. I used to work out five days a week with a personal trainer in LA who worked with NFL & NBA athletes solely on functional fitness. They lifted extensively too but not with her. While we never called it yoga or Pilates, we incorporated a lot of that into our functional fitness routines (and it kicked my a@@ at times). We also stretched & worked on flexibility extensively.

You're absolutely correct that all of the above are tremendously important for achieving elite performance and preventing injuries.
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For older athletes who have power that type of work is great but it’s less useful in young athletes who don’t have mobility issues and who need to build raw power and aren’t showing imbalances/movement pattern issues. IMO.

203CT305 said:
Since no weight lifting occurs on the football field, there are no "essential" lifts. With every lift/exercise the cost/benefit has to be examined. There are only so many exercises any person can do. Almost everyone here wants the players deadlifting, squatting, benching, olympic lifting, jumping, sprinting, doing *** assistance exercise, etc. There's an unlimited amount to choose from but you can't do everything. Deadlifts make you a better deadlifter. In a very untrained individual it can improve other areas of strength. It's very unlikely the level at athlete at Miami is going to get faster by deadlifting more often or at all. Otherwise coaches would be scouring high school powerlifting and olympic lifting meets looking for the best lifters and asking them to play football.

There are certainly levels of strength that you would like to see in your players but it can be difficult to measure these. Every individual has different leverages. Just because Navaughn increases his deadlift by 150 pounds, this doesn't mean he's going to be a better football player. The key is to understand the physical requirements of the game of football and design a program that heightens competition results.

Based on what I've read and seen of Swasey, many of his efforts seemed misguided. The same goes for Felder. It seems like the new guy will have the players doing olympic and powerlifts, which is likely to yield more positive results than if Felder's program was still followed. It will keep the message boards and coaches happy, but the impact on the field will be difficult to measure.

It's also amusing to read the many "we deadlifted/cleaned/(insert any exercise) at my high school" comments. Meanwhile everyone was critical of Richt for running the same offense for as long as we can remember. Well maybe it's well passed the time that the exercises everyone is married to are re-examined and consider whether the success you experienced was because coach had you deadlifting, or cleaning, or doing yoga, or studying more film, or doing extra 300 yard shuttles, or washing hands before practice, etc.
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you should read how sprinters weight train before posting rubbish.
 
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We the Boss said:
You pull sumo to build glutes and hips. There is no absolute right answer here. Much of it will depend on body type as sumo is better for some then others based on torsos, leg, and arm length ratios. Personally, I would rotate all 3.

Hex bars are less risky for back injuries then conventional if form isn’t taught but they aren’t the same lift and aren’t as good at developing the postierer chain as conventional deadlifts.
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There are better exercises for building hips and glutes than sumo pulls with far less injury risk. These kids are not powerlifting, and risk mitigation is extremely important. Ghrs and weighted glute bridges teach extension, and build the posterior chain just as well with less risk. I fully agree with you that the coach should be programming based off their body leverages.
 
We the Boss said:
For older athletes who have power that type of work is great but it’s less useful in young athletes who don’t have mobility issues and who need to build raw power and aren’t showing imbalances/movement pattern issues. IMO.


you should read how sprinters weight train before posting rubbish.
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What does that have to do with anything I posted?
 
Tetragrammaton Cane said:
If you’re curious …


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Shaver - Sprint Training - [PDF Document]

SPRINT TRAINING Dennis Shaver shaver@lsu.edu LSU Athletic Department Track & Field PO Box 25095 Baton Rouge, LA 70895 Dennis Shaver Coaching Experience Hutchinson Community…
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Thanks. I'll take a look as I'm not familiar with Shaver's work. I also wasn't saying I was totally unfamiliar with how sprinters train (obviously different depending on your coach/program) but I didn't understand the relevance of the comment to the post of mine that he quoted.

Since speed is very important on the football field I believe it's useful to look at how successful sprinter's train and incorporate certain aspects into the preparation of football players. I don't know the ins and outs of Feeley's program but, based on multiple videos I've seen of him in action at Ball State, his insistence on testing his players using 110's, has not left me encouraged that players will be training like sprinters.

Personally, I like that approach that James Smith has adapted based on Charlie Francis's principles.
 
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Tetragrammaton Cane said:
110’s HAVE TO BE for some type of speed endurance or it’s part of a fitness test. Maybe he’s training for something else in his program so I can’t say for sure … but 110’s are not going to help kids 40’s, that’s for sure.
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Very few kids are going to improve their 40 times in a college program anyway. The 40, like any other short distance sprint, is about explosiveness and technique. Explosiveness is not a very trainable quality. It can only be improved on the margins. Most gains you might find in the 40 are due to improvements in technique, which don't translate very well to the football field.
 
Tetragrammaton Cane said:
110’s HAVE TO BE for some type of speed endurance or it’s part of a fitness test. Maybe he’s training for something else in his program so I can’t say for sure … but 110’s are not going to help kids 40’s, that’s for sure.
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The football field is 100 yds ,so if you can sprint 110 yds you should have no problems sprinting any distances that may come up in a game.02
 
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I have Moffitt’s LSU program, given to me by a player I trained that was coached by him.

He uses a lot of 110’s in his program.
 
Uthe1 said:
You insult and promote negativity towards another canes fan that you don't even know and you call me ignorant! No-thing but Love and happiness over here ! 📙_📗 family,# same team
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UTHE,

There are people here that once there questioned in anyway with a contrasting point of view go straight to name calling.

I’ve experienced it constantly on the IPF because I had more information and insight then some here and told them what they needed to hear and not what they wanted to hear.

So I try to take the high road till I’m attacked.

NICE TILL ITS TIME NOT TO BE NICE.

GOCANES
 
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