Statistical Look at OSU Defense

Texas ran a butt-load of inside zone and gap runs when they ran outside. That's the only way to run against OSU, unless you're Penn State and run toss sweep with 7 OL on 1st and 10. Pretty sure they only tried outside zone 2 times against OSU. One of them got completely blown up, but Baxter managed to wriggle free and gain some yardage. The other was in a goal to go. Was still tough sledding, but their RBs and Wingo on a reverse managed to average 4.7 ypc on 27 carries.

I agree with @supacane that IZ/duo has to be our bread-and-butter in the run game against OSU. Stick with it. It's what we do best running the ball. Mix in some gap runs doing similar stuff (to the left side, preferably with 3 WRs to the right) that other teams have had success with against OSU this year.

We cannot try as much outside zone blocking schemes as we tried against A&M in the first half. Worked the first couple of plays, but it did not work at all after that until Toney's TD, and that was because we had just run duo 7 straight run plays on them.

I’d take 27 carries for 4.7 a clip right meow if you gave it to me. If we get that, Beck is far superior to Arch, especially in that first game, throwing the ball. If we have 27 carries for 127 yards at the end of the night, I think we’re celebrating a dub.
 
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Texas ran a butt-load of inside zone and gap runs when they ran outside. That's the only way to run against OSU, unless you're Penn State and run toss sweep with 7 OL on 1st and 10. Pretty sure they only tried outside zone 2 times against OSU. One of them got completely blown up, but Baxter managed to wriggle free and gain some yardage. The other was in a goal to go. Was still tough sledding, but their RBs and Wingo on a reverse managed to average 4.7 ypc on 27 carries.

I agree with @supacane that IZ/duo has to be our bread-and-butter in the run game against OSU. Stick with it. It's what we do best running the ball. Mix in some gap runs doing similar stuff (to the left side, preferably with 3 WRs to the right) that other teams have had success with against OSU this year.

We cannot try as much outside zone blocking schemes as we tried against A&M in the first half. Worked the first couple of plays, but it did not work at all after that until Toney's TD, and that was because we had just run duo 7 straight run plays on them.
Precisely. Its what we do best, my problem during the season was the lack of diversity to keep the opposition honest. Not that we should abandon it. I know its A&M and their run defense was not awesome but Mark Fletcher looked like a total different player running from the pistol with a full head of steam. Not sure why it wasn't used more during the season. I also feel its better for running play action. Ohio State would love for us to abandon the inside game and try going east west. That is their strength with th3 LB speed. Can they deal with pulling guards or wham TEs over and over followed by Mark Fletcher? Against their defense 3rd and 4 is a big difference to 3rd and 7. Which is where am more concerned.

In addition Indiana two RBs had atleast 4 yards per carry. The team had 3.5 yards per carry because of the QB sack yardage. Ohio also had just 4 TFLs and all of them were by their 2 DEs.
 
Texas and Indiana scored 20 points combined on them. But I will admit there are a ton of games on that schedule where Taint had a massive, massive, massive talent advantage. They don’t have that in our matchup. They’re better, but I do think we probably have the best OL they’ve seen. At least in pass pro. I don’t think we’ll be able to run the ball very well though.
That Taint defense is insanely good but if you want to give yourself a little hope, we will be the best passing offense Taint has faced all year so there's that.........and we are the best OL and DL they will have faced this year and games are won in the trenches.

I agree with the poster who said we need to drag them into the middle of the ring and pound them like our life depended on it. That being said, Carson Beck will need to give us a $4 million performance. We cannot be one dimensional. We must keep them off balance so Dawson will need to have a career day as a play caller. We can do this but it's going to take everything we have and we can leave nothing on that field.

PS. I almost forgot. Our defense will need to hold them to 17 at most.
 
I'll also add that Special Teams will be a way to affect the game and I'm particularly referring to Malachi Toney on punt returns. That and getting a defensive score or multiple turnovers will be key. We cannot afford any turnovers ourselves.
 
Precisely. Its what we do best, my problem during the season was the lack of diversity to keep the opposition honest. Not that we should abandon it. I know its A&M and their run defense was not awesome but Mark Fletcher looked like a total different player running from the pistol with a full head of steam. Not sure why it wasn't used more during the season. I also feel its better for running play action. Ohio State would love for us to abandon the inside game and try going east west. That is their strength with th3 LB speed. Can they deal with pulling guards or wham TEs over and over followed by Mark Fletcher? Against their defense 3rd and 4 is a big difference to 3rd and 7. Which is where am more concerned.

In addition Indiana two RBs had atleast 4 yards per carry. The team had 3.5 yards per carry because of the QB sack yardage. Ohio also had just 4 TFLs and all of them were by their 2 DEs.
100% behind you on the pistol. Agree there are play-action opportunities off it that we just didn't explore against A&M cause of the wind. It worked great, keep doing it.

This is the playoffs. If you win you're gonna run the stuff you run best better than the opposition can stop it when they know it's coming. They're great at stopping it; we're great at running it. Time to lace them boots up and kick their ***..
 
OSU is a better team than UM. Period.

The facts are what they are.

People on here act like stating the obvious is a third degree felony. Doesn't mean anyone is rooting against the 'Canes, and hope they lose. It just means they have eyes and brains.
So if we beat them it's not cause we are the better team? just cause they will have lost to the 2 best teams they played including us whereas we didn't? It'd be the exact same argument with ND. We are a better team than ND. ND lost to the 2 best teams they played. If we beat Ohio St and they end the season with 2 losses in their final 2 games and to the 2 best teams they played, it makes them a better team than us still? Lmao.

The better team will be decided on the field Head 2 Head.
 
Ohio Sts defense has
- Elite LB play ( against the Run - both, in Pass Rush - Reese, in coverage - Styles).
- a top 5 pick at DB in Downs
- a 1st round run-stuffing DT in McDonald
- and obviously pretty good talent everywhere else. Curry has been their best player that isn't in those 3 points above, and is the biggest down to down all around DL threat.

THE #1 Strength of this Ohio St defense is Run D imo. It centers around McDonald, their Elite LBs, and Downs who is great in run support.

But you have to ask what are their relative weaknesses and how can we exploit them? What will the likely matchups be...

The WORST 5 graded games by Ohio Sts Defense were: UCLA < Washington < Wisconsin < Indiana < Purdue. They had 3 Games graded as an 80+ in defense - Grambling St, Rutgers, and Ohio. Only 2 below a 70 - UCLA and Washington. For some perspective to give a baseline to understand the relative strength of these grades, our Defense had 7 games where we received an 80+ defensive grade. And only 1 below a 70 (Louisville).

Their Worst 5 graded games in RUN D were: Washington < UCLA < Texas < Wisconsin < Indiana ... The likely critical factor there? Running QB threats, which we don't have. So those top 3 biggest struggles against the run they had there? Unlikely to be a factor for us at all. Indiana is likely the closest team to us in the Run offense regard... They had two games with a 90 grade - Grambling and Rutgers and Michigan was an 89, 7 total games graded 80+, and only 1 game graded under a 70 (Washington). Our defense only had 1 game graded 90s run D, 4 total 80+, and 3 70 or below... So you can see how we have been a very good run Defense all year, but they've been at a far higher level. The guy we'd prefer to run at is Kenyatta Jackson and their CB Jermaine Mathews. As far as their starters Jackson has the worst missed tackle grade. And when running WR screens or outside runs it is extremely preferable to have Igbinosun and Downs on the same side then run away from both of them and make Mathews tackle in the open field. This is something throught formation you can create, and at least forces them to defend the run withe their weaker players. The other key to their Run D is they simply are a GREAT Tackling team. This is an are we have struggled a lot this year. Their Run D is a bit like a boa constrictor. They just a really good at all aspects of it. It'll be very hard to have run success against them. Im guessing we will have to run a lot of plays where we are essentially banging our head into the door between teh tackles purely to keep them honest. But I'm telling you we need to be setting up the plays where we run towards Jackson+Mathews and away from Downs. Ideally by putting Toney in jet motions to get the eyes of the Lbs too....

They have 2 games graded 80+ in pass rush - Ohio and Indiana. They have 6 TOTAL games with a 70+ pass rush grades and 7 below a 70 grade, including 2 games below a 60 grade. our Defense only had 2 games below a 70 and they were both 69 (SMU and Louisville!). Curry is their MAIN pass rush threat. In true Pass rush situations of like 3rd and longs Reese is the guy that is probably the most threatening, but he only russhes 33% of his total snaps and 43% of true pass rush snaps... If there is one "Matchup" we have the Win in it's their pass rush vs our pass protection. In true 3rd down situations i'll be a bit more worried when Reese can get active, but for the most part the biggest threat is if they do a lot of what A&M did - Stunts and Confusing overload blitzes. Beck MUST hit check downs in this game when pressured. Even turning a 2 yard gain could be the difference in winning and losing over a sack!

Coverage grade wise, They have 1 game with an 80+ coverage grade - Minnesota, then 8 TOTAL with a 70+ grade. 5 with a sub 70 Coverage grade.Those Worst 5 grades in Coverage were: Indiana (55) < UCLA (62) < Wisconsin (66) < Washington < Michigan. Our Defense had 3 gaems above 80, 7 total above a 70, and 6 below a 70. The worst pass cover grades we had was Louisville, ND, Bethune, SMU, and VTech... The guys we want to prefer to target in coverage are Jermaine Mathews, Devin Sanchez, and Reese. Reese is great in pass rush and run D. Pass Coverage not so much. He's literally their 2nd lowest graded player in coverage on their entire defense that actually plays, and the other guy is a DE who has 8 coverage snaps. Their lowest graded coverage guys with 100+ snaps are: Reese (51), Sanchez (55), Mathews (63)... To put that in perspective our Lbs coverage grade guys are Toure with an abominable 32!!!, Popo (51), Wes (64), and Chase Smith (64). Reese allows an 85% Reception%. Wes and Toure are <70%. Again this isn't saying their guys are bad at this, in general their obviously very good, but if they do have a weakness, this is where you can attack them through the air imo. Downs will obviously be on Toney. We need to attack Mathews their Safeties and Reese.

So I really can't emphasise enough that Ohio Sts MAIN strength is in Run D. Their Main "Weakness" is in Coverage + Pass Rush. This is a game we need our WRs other than Toney, and Beck to win. It's quite literally that simple. Downs is going to 100% be glued to Toney all game long. McDonald is going to give Brockermeyer **** and their LBs wont just easily get blocked by our WRs and TEs.. I think this ENTIRE game comes down to Which WRs beat the DBs - theirs or ours. And which Qb is delivering the ball at a high level (and mistake free).
 
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OSU is a better team than UM. Period.

The facts are what they are.

People on here act like stating the obvious is a third degree felony. Doesn't mean anyone is rooting against the 'Canes, and hope they lose. It just means they have eyes and brains.
Get some rest bro. Looking forward to seeing you back here tomorrow white knighting for OSU again.

Goodnight.
 
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Running the ball has not been our strength this year at all, we played a terrible run defense with a&m and adjusted for that game which is great but we shouldn’t just change everything we do.

Yes we need a good run game for early and short down situations but..We need dawson, beck and our WRs to win us this game its thats simple.
 


Running the ball has not been our strength this year at all, we played a terrible run defense with a&m and adjusted for that game which is great but we shouldn’t just change everything we do.

Yes we need a good run game for early and short down situations but..We need dawson, beck and our WRs to win us this game its thats simple.

We need to run to keep them honest. But the gameplan should be to do those Runs knowing most wont be super successful (but still hopefully 2-3 and some 4 yard gains inside the tackles) with the play to hit them with CERTAIN big swings.

We need to hit them with play action. We need them to sell out on Toney being used as a decoy. We need to hit them with some misdirection.

But yeah they are the best Run D team in the country, and will need to Win through the air. This game is going to come down to WRs other than Toney and Beck. But that can only have success if we also stick to the run game as well.

I'd prefer to spread them out. Get their Safeties and Downs away from the box as much as possible. Run towards Kenyatta Jackson and Jermaine Mathews' side. Pass on Mathews and Reese and test those safeties downfield.... Who is going to win the contested catches? I am really hoping we throw those shots to Daniels and Moore. Marrion has been much better lately but he's not a go up and get it guy at all imo. I actually think this game we need to use Tony Johnson a lot. Get 3-4 WRs on the field. Make them cover. Maybe you can make them put Devin Sanchez on the field which is a win for us.
 
Win the turnover battle and have some success running and we have a chance to win

I’m nervous about Becks ability to absorb the blitz. He looked putrid against tamu against it early. Our receivers maybe weren’t open? We went max protect with two in the backfield.
 


Running the ball has not been our strength this year at all, we played a terrible run defense with a&m and adjusted for that game which is great but we shouldn’t just change everything we do.

Yes we need a good run game for early and short down situations but..We need dawson, beck and our WRs to win us this game its thats simple.

Ihave been saying this, this board sounds drunk like after ND game like we are going to run ground and pound up brokenmayer on skates against the unanimous All American DT and #1 Run defense to a W just because we could run against tamu which had weak run defense (I said prior to that game it was smarter to ground and pound) THIS game is not that game.. Beck has to earn his ******* money.. this guy cant be back seat rider all ******* season.. What is point of having vet qb if he never has to do ****..

I think * can be thrown on.. if we just line up and try to pound them is not gonna work, obviously we need some balance and run but the ground and pound and throw screens every 3rd down offense is not gonna get it done..
 


Running the ball has not been our strength this year at all, we played a terrible run defense with a&m and adjusted for that game which is great but we shouldn’t just change everything we do.

Yes we need a good run game for early and short down situations but..We need dawson, beck and our WRs to win us this game its thats simple.

Through the SMU game when we handed the ball to a RB 45% of the time it was either Lyle or Brown, and they averaged 3.5 ypc(I excluded the Bethune game and the garbage time carries for Pringle and CWH). Neither of those guys are in our RB rotation anymore.

Fletcher and Pringle have averaged 6.4 ypc over the last 5 games. 5.5 if you want to exclude the A&M game.

We were a bad running team for much of the year. I don't think that's the case anymore.

Maybe I am coping hard here, because I don't think our WRs and TEs are good enough to carry us matched up against OSU's LBers and Secondary?
 
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Win the turnover battle and have some success running and we have a chance to win

I’m nervous about Becks ability to absorb the blitz. He looked putrid against tamu against it early. Our receivers maybe weren’t open? We went max protect with two in the backfield.
Against tamu that max protect wasnt gonna help for the type of blitzing they do.. Im actually surprised, not really that was Marios gameplan.. Other coaches have said that doesnt work against that type of blitzing.. I was joking that Mario would rather max protect more men than less to point no one would be running a route if he had to lol..
 
As many of us have been saying, IMO this game really comes down to Dawson/Beck vs Patricia and our offense versus their defense. I think we have an advantage on the other side of the ball, when our defense is on the field versus their offense, or it's at very worst a wash.

But when their defense is on the field versus our offense, IMO we have a massive challenge and whether or not we can actually move the ball and score points will dictate whether or not we win (no ****). So, where does their defense stack up? What does it excel at, and where can it be "attacked".

Spoiler alert, this isn't pretty. IMO this is the best defense in America, yes including Texas Tech, and is BY FAR the best, most talented, most physically imposing, and well coached defense we've seen all season. It's not even close.

Starting with the obvious, scoring defense, they are #1 in America. 8.8 points per game allowed. For context, the best full-season number for any school in the past 10 years is 10.4 for Michigan in 2023 (won the natty) and 10.4 also for UGA in 2021 (won the natty). This year's OSU team is 1.6 points better than both those defenses. Utterly insane. The Miami defense has been unreal this year...we give up 13.8 PPG, so they are a full 5 points better. They have given up TEN touchdowns in 12 games LOL.

So, how do they give up such a low number of points? Well, they start by giving up almost no explosive plays. In 12 games, they have surrendered a TOTAL of 84 plays that went for 10+ yards. Almost hard to comprehend. Miami gave up 124 such plays. OSU has faced 649 plays on defense this year....and 84 of them have gained 10+ yards. That's 13%. So basically, when you line up against them, for every 10 plays you run, you can expect ONE to go for 10+ yards. Almost comical. Within those 84 plays, only 56 of them have been through the air. So they are #1 in the country by a mile in 10+ yard passes allowed, 20+ yard passes allowed, and 30+ yard passes allowed. You simply cannot generate explosives on them, especially through the air. On the ground, they drop all the way to 4th in 10+ yard carries, 13th in 20+ yard carries, and 13th in 30+ yard carries. Yes, that was a joke, these numbers are still insane.

Alright, so they give up no explosives. But in the event you do get a few, can you get into the endzone. Well, they're insane there too. They've only allowed 23 redzone trips all season, which is great but it's #3 in America (Texas Tech and Indiana allowed fewer, Miami was 5th with 26). But once you get there, you can't score. They only allowed 8 TDs in the redzone all season, and that 34% TD rate is usually far and away #1 in a given year, but this year Indiana is actually even better.

So they give up no explosives. In the event you go get into the redzone, which happens less than twice a game, you can't score. But are you more likely to have success running or throwing? Well, neither, but let's look at the numbers in each specific area.

They are #4 in America in yards per carry allowed. Think, the Miami run defense, maybe a little better. That's who they are. Just a complete brick wall. They only average giving up 83.6 yards per game on the ground. But they go it more at the LOS...they are only 65th in TFLs. So they don't shoot gaps and penetrate and put you behind the sticks a lot, but what they do is completely suffocate you at the LOS and you might get 1 or 2 yards, but you're not getting 5 very often. It's kind of the opposite of A&M, who is #2 in TFLs, and even our defense, which is 18th. They are fine just standing your linemen up at the point of attack, filling gaps with their backers, and making it 2nd and 8 all day long.

In the air, this is where it gets really scary. They give up the fewest passing yards per game by a mile....133.8, the next best team is 15 yards behind. 133.8 for an entire season would be the best of the past decade by a long, long way. It's simply the best passing defense anyone has been on the field in well over 10 years. If you want a hint of optimism, they have only intercepted 7 passes all year, and they do allow 60.5% completions, which is 48th in the country. But the passes just don't go anywhere...you complete 60.5% of your throws but only for 5.5 yards per attempt. That means there is NOTHING down the field, and your pass catchers get swallowed as soon as they catch the ball.

So, what the **** does our offense do? Well, first is visit the nearest place of worship, and pray. Second is, perhaps try to attack in the short passing game. As I mentioned, you can complete some balls on them. They don't sack the QB very much (25th in the country), and you can complete 60+ percent. This is where Beck excels. We're likely not going to generate explosives down the field, literally no one has. So find a weak link (good luck) in the secondary, and see if you can get some choice routes in the middle of the field where you can complete a ball and slip a tackle. The tight ends in the seam need to have a big week. We're just not going to win much on the outside or anywhere near Downs. Also, as you'd expect, they're excellent on 3rd downs. 6th in the country. We just got embarrassed on 3rd down against the #1 3rd down defense in the country last week. Find a way to stay out of 3rd and long. If we can live in 3rd and 4 range, I think Beck can find enough time in the pocket to complete short passes for first downs. We catch the ball well, and Beck is incredibly accurate. When we do run it, we gotta get into the B and C gaps and away from McDonald. But honestly, I don't expect a ton in the run game. If we can get to 4 yards a carry, that's probably a massive win and takes some pressure off Beck.

Lastly, Dawson needs to be at his creative best in the redzone.
We're probably only going to get 2-3 trips down there the whole game. When we do, we have to find a way to get 7's and not 3's. But make no mistake, this is by far the biggest challenge we've faced to date. IMO this game is a race to 20. Can we get to 20 on them without massive help? Turnovers, special teams, etc. I doubt it, but that's why we play the games. Time for Dawson and Beck to earn their paychecks. Give me 20 on offense and I think we can do this **** thing.
I made this in another post so I will place it here as well.

Ohio State runs a very NFL-influenced defensive system. Pattern-match coverages. Split-field concepts. A lot of “read 2 to 1,” “carry vertical,” “match releases,” and post-snap rules instead of spot-drop zones.

That system can be elite. But it also has a weakness and every defensive coach knows it. Complex defenses don’t break because of talent. They break because of hesitation. That’s where Miami can live.

Ohio state ask their players to follow a lot of rules. But unlike NFL players, they don’t practice or watch film the amount of hours pro player do.

You don’t beat it with trick plays. You beat it by forcing defenders to decide fast and often wrong. Miami’s Air Raid principles are perfect for that.

We use to call it. Stress the Rules, Not the Man

Pattern-match defenses are rule-based. So offenses attack:
  • Who has #2 vertical?
  • Who carries the shallow?
  • Who replaces the safety when he rotates?
You do that with:
  • Stacked releases
  • Bunch formations
  • Fast motion
  • Switch routes
Now a defender has to think quickly and this forces hesitation. Dawson’s offense is actually geared towards breaking OSU defensive rules.
Ohio State’s defense don’t play “that’s my guy”
They play “that’s my responsibility based on rules.”

We run a lot of switch routes which are a poison pill to that defense
 
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Through the SMU game when we handed the ball to a RB 45% of the time it was either Lyle or Brown, and they averaged 3.5 ypc(I excluded the Bethune game and the garbage time carries for Pringle and CWH). Neither of those guys are in our RB rotation anymore.

Fletcher and Pringle have averaged 6.4 ypc over the last 5 games. 5.5 if you want to exclude the A&M game.

We were a bad running team for much of the year. I don't think that's the case anymore.

Maybe I am coping hard here, because I don't think our WRs and TEs are good enough to carry us matched up against OSU's LBers and Secondary?
Im not high on the wrs and tes outside of toney and sometimes daniels but thats just me seeing them every week…but against osu??

Planning the gameplan around running the ball on them would just be foolish imo. But hey you never know until you line up so we shouldn’t just abandon it but this whole we need to just run it all game **** is just recency bias from playing a terrible run defense vs a&m
 
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