Statistical Look at OSU Defense

Texas ran a butt-load of inside zone and gap runs when they ran outside. That's the only way to run against OSU, unless you're Penn State and run toss sweep with 7 OL on 1st and 10. Pretty sure they only tried outside zone 2 times against OSU. One of them got completely blown up, but Baxter managed to wriggle free and gain some yardage. The other was in a goal to go. Was still tough sledding, but their RBs and Wingo on a reverse managed to average 4.7 ypc on 27 carries.

I agree with @supacane that IZ/duo has to be our bread-and-butter in the run game against OSU. Stick with it. It's what we do best running the ball. Mix in some gap runs doing similar stuff (to the left side, preferably with 3 WRs to the right) that other teams have had success with against OSU this year.

We cannot try as much outside zone blocking schemes as we tried against A&M in the first half. Worked the first couple of plays, but it did not work at all after that until Toney's TD, and that was because we had just run duo 7 straight run plays on them.

I’d take 27 carries for 4.7 a clip right meow if you gave it to me. If we get that, Beck is far superior to Arch, especially in that first game, throwing the ball. If we have 27 carries for 127 yards at the end of the night, I think we’re celebrating a dub.
 
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Texas ran a butt-load of inside zone and gap runs when they ran outside. That's the only way to run against OSU, unless you're Penn State and run toss sweep with 7 OL on 1st and 10. Pretty sure they only tried outside zone 2 times against OSU. One of them got completely blown up, but Baxter managed to wriggle free and gain some yardage. The other was in a goal to go. Was still tough sledding, but their RBs and Wingo on a reverse managed to average 4.7 ypc on 27 carries.

I agree with @supacane that IZ/duo has to be our bread-and-butter in the run game against OSU. Stick with it. It's what we do best running the ball. Mix in some gap runs doing similar stuff (to the left side, preferably with 3 WRs to the right) that other teams have had success with against OSU this year.

We cannot try as much outside zone blocking schemes as we tried against A&M in the first half. Worked the first couple of plays, but it did not work at all after that until Toney's TD, and that was because we had just run duo 7 straight run plays on them.
Precisely. Its what we do best, my problem during the season was the lack of diversity to keep the opposition honest. Not that we should abandon it. I know its A&M and their run defense was not awesome but Mark Fletcher looked like a total different player running from the pistol with a full head of steam. Not sure why it wasn't used more during the season. I also feel its better for running play action. Ohio State would love for us to abandon the inside game and try going east west. That is their strength with th3 LB speed. Can they deal with pulling guards or wham TEs over and over followed by Mark Fletcher? Against their defense 3rd and 4 is a big difference to 3rd and 7. Which is where am more concerned.

In addition Indiana two RBs had atleast 4 yards per carry. The team had 3.5 yards per carry because of the QB sack yardage. Ohio also had just 4 TFLs and all of them were by their 2 DEs.
 
Texas and Indiana scored 20 points combined on them. But I will admit there are a ton of games on that schedule where Taint had a massive, massive, massive talent advantage. They don’t have that in our matchup. They’re better, but I do think we probably have the best OL they’ve seen. At least in pass pro. I don’t think we’ll be able to run the ball very well though.
That Taint defense is insanely good but if you want to give yourself a little hope, we will be the best passing offense Taint has faced all year so there's that.........and we are the best OL and DL they will have faced this year and games are won in the trenches.

I agree with the poster who said we need to drag them into the middle of the ring and pound them like our life depended on it. That being said, Carson Beck will need to give us a $4 million performance. We cannot be one dimensional. We must keep them off balance so Dawson will need to have a career day as a play caller. We can do this but it's going to take everything we have and we can leave nothing on that field.

PS. I almost forgot. Our defense will need to hold them to 17 at most.
 
I'll also add that Special Teams will be a way to affect the game and I'm particularly referring to Malachi Toney on punt returns. That and getting a defensive score or multiple turnovers will be key. We cannot afford any turnovers ourselves.
 
Precisely. Its what we do best, my problem during the season was the lack of diversity to keep the opposition honest. Not that we should abandon it. I know its A&M and their run defense was not awesome but Mark Fletcher looked like a total different player running from the pistol with a full head of steam. Not sure why it wasn't used more during the season. I also feel its better for running play action. Ohio State would love for us to abandon the inside game and try going east west. That is their strength with th3 LB speed. Can they deal with pulling guards or wham TEs over and over followed by Mark Fletcher? Against their defense 3rd and 4 is a big difference to 3rd and 7. Which is where am more concerned.

In addition Indiana two RBs had atleast 4 yards per carry. The team had 3.5 yards per carry because of the QB sack yardage. Ohio also had just 4 TFLs and all of them were by their 2 DEs.
100% behind you on the pistol. Agree there are play-action opportunities off it that we just didn't explore against A&M cause of the wind. It worked great, keep doing it.

This is the playoffs. If you win you're gonna run the stuff you run best better than the opposition can stop it when they know it's coming. They're great at stopping it; we're great at running it. Time to lace them boots up and kick their ***..
 
OSU is a better team than UM. Period.

The facts are what they are.

People on here act like stating the obvious is a third degree felony. Doesn't mean anyone is rooting against the 'Canes, and hope they lose. It just means they have eyes and brains.
So if we beat them it's not cause we are the better team? just cause they will have lost to the 2 best teams they played including us whereas we didn't? It'd be the exact same argument with ND. We are a better team than ND. ND lost to the 2 best teams they played. If we beat Ohio St and they end the season with 2 losses in their final 2 games and to the 2 best teams they played, it makes them a better team than us still? Lmao.

The better team will be decided on the field Head 2 Head.
 
Ohio Sts defense has
- Elite LB play ( against the Run - both, in Pass Rush - Reese, in coverage - Styles).
- a top 5 pick at DB in Downs
- a 1st round run-stuffing DT in McDonald
- and obviously pretty good talent everywhere else. Curry has been their best player that isn't in those 3 points above, and is the biggest down to down all around DL threat.

THE #1 Strength of this Ohio St defense is Run D imo. It centers around McDonald, their Elite LBs, and Downs who is great in run support.

But you have to ask what are their relative weaknesses and how can we exploit them? What will the likely matchups be...

The WORST 5 graded games by Ohio Sts Defense were: UCLA < Washington < Wisconsin < Indiana < Purdue. They had 3 Games graded as an 80+ in defense - Grambling St, Rutgers, and Ohio. Only 2 below a 70 - UCLA and Washington. For some perspective to give a baseline to understand the relative strength of these grades, our Defense had 7 games where we received an 80+ defensive grade. And only 1 below a 70 (Louisville).

Their Worst 5 graded games in RUN D were: Washington < UCLA < Texas < Wisconsin < Indiana ... The likely critical factor there? Running QB threats, which we don't have. So those top 3 biggest struggles against the run they had there? Unlikely to be a factor for us at all. Indiana is likely the closest team to us in the Run offense regard... They had two games with a 90 grade - Grambling and Rutgers and Michigan was an 89, 7 total games graded 80+, and only 1 game graded under a 70 (Washington). Our defense only had 1 game graded 90s run D, 4 total 80+, and 3 70 or below... So you can see how we have been a very good run Defense all year, but they've been at a far higher level. The guy we'd prefer to run at is Kenyatta Jackson and their CB Jermaine Mathews. As far as their starters Jackson has the worst missed tackle grade. And when running WR screens or outside runs it is extremely preferable to have Igbinosun and Downs on the same side then run away from both of them and make Mathews tackle in the open field. This is something throught formation you can create, and at least forces them to defend the run withe their weaker players. The other key to their Run D is they simply are a GREAT Tackling team. This is an are we have struggled a lot this year. Their Run D is a bit like a boa constrictor. They just a really good at all aspects of it. It'll be very hard to have run success against them. Im guessing we will have to run a lot of plays where we are essentially banging our head into the door between teh tackles purely to keep them honest. But I'm telling you we need to be setting up the plays where we run towards Jackson+Mathews and away from Downs. Ideally by putting Toney in jet motions to get the eyes of the Lbs too....

They have 2 games graded 80+ in pass rush - Ohio and Indiana. They have 6 TOTAL games with a 70+ pass rush grades and 7 below a 70 grade, including 2 games below a 60 grade. our Defense only had 2 games below a 70 and they were both 69 (SMU and Louisville!). Curry is their MAIN pass rush threat. In true Pass rush situations of like 3rd and longs Reese is the guy that is probably the most threatening, but he only russhes 33% of his total snaps and 43% of true pass rush snaps... If there is one "Matchup" we have the Win in it's their pass rush vs our pass protection. In true 3rd down situations i'll be a bit more worried when Reese can get active, but for the most part the biggest threat is if they do a lot of what A&M did - Stunts and Confusing overload blitzes. Beck MUST hit check downs in this game when pressured. Even turning a 2 yard gain could be the difference in winning and losing over a sack!

Coverage grade wise, They have 1 game with an 80+ coverage grade - Minnesota, then 8 TOTAL with a 70+ grade. 5 with a sub 70 Coverage grade.Those Worst 5 grades in Coverage were: Indiana (55) < UCLA (62) < Wisconsin (66) < Washington < Michigan. Our Defense had 3 gaems above 80, 7 total above a 70, and 6 below a 70. The worst pass cover grades we had was Louisville, ND, Bethune, SMU, and VTech... The guys we want to prefer to target in coverage are Jermaine Mathews, Devin Sanchez, and Reese. Reese is great in pass rush and run D. Pass Coverage not so much. He's literally their 2nd lowest graded player in coverage on their entire defense that actually plays, and the other guy is a DE who has 8 coverage snaps. Their lowest graded coverage guys with 100+ snaps are: Reese (51), Sanchez (55), Mathews (63)... To put that in perspective our Lbs coverage grade guys are Toure with an abominable 32!!!, Popo (51), Wes (64), and Chase Smith (64). Reese allows an 85% Reception%. Wes and Toure are <70%. Again this isn't saying their guys are bad at this, in general their obviously very good, but if they do have a weakness, this is where you can attack them through the air imo. Downs will obviously be on Toney. We need to attack Mathews their Safeties and Reese.

So I really can't emphasise enough that Ohio Sts MAIN strength is in Run D. Their Main "Weakness" is in Coverage + Pass Rush. This is a game we need our WRs other than Toney, and Beck to win. It's quite literally that simple. Downs is going to 100% be glued to Toney all game long. McDonald is going to give Brockermeyer **** and their LBs wont just easily get blocked by our WRs and TEs.. I think this ENTIRE game comes down to Which WRs beat the DBs - theirs or ours. And which Qb is delivering the ball at a high level (and mistake free).
 
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OSU is a better team than UM. Period.

The facts are what they are.

People on here act like stating the obvious is a third degree felony. Doesn't mean anyone is rooting against the 'Canes, and hope they lose. It just means they have eyes and brains.
Get some rest bro. Looking forward to seeing you back here tomorrow white knighting for OSU again.

Goodnight.
 
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Running the ball has not been our strength this year at all, we played a terrible run defense with a&m and adjusted for that game which is great but we shouldn’t just change everything we do.

Yes we need a good run game for early and short down situations but..We need dawson, beck and our WRs to win us this game its thats simple.
 


Running the ball has not been our strength this year at all, we played a terrible run defense with a&m and adjusted for that game which is great but we shouldn’t just change everything we do.

Yes we need a good run game for early and short down situations but..We need dawson, beck and our WRs to win us this game its thats simple.

We need to run to keep them honest. But the gameplan should be to do those Runs knowing most wont be super successful (but still hopefully 2-3 and some 4 yard gains inside the tackles) with the play to hit them with CERTAIN big swings.

We need to hit them with play action. We need them to sell out on Toney being used as a decoy. We need to hit them with some misdirection.

But yeah they are the best Run D team in the country, and will need to Win through the air. This game is going to come down to WRs other than Toney and Beck. But that can only have success if we also stick to the run game as well.

I'd prefer to spread them out. Get their Safeties and Downs away from the box as much as possible. Run towards Kenyatta Jackson and Jermaine Mathews' side. Pass on Mathews and Reese and test those safeties downfield.... Who is going to win the contested catches? I am really hoping we throw those shots to Daniels and Moore. Marrion has been much better lately but he's not a go up and get it guy at all imo. I actually think this game we need to use Tony Johnson a lot. Get 3-4 WRs on the field. Make them cover. Maybe you can make them put Devin Sanchez on the field which is a win for us.
 
Win the turnover battle and have some success running and we have a chance to win

I’m nervous about Becks ability to absorb the blitz. He looked putrid against tamu against it early. Our receivers maybe weren’t open? We went max protect with two in the backfield.
 


Running the ball has not been our strength this year at all, we played a terrible run defense with a&m and adjusted for that game which is great but we shouldn’t just change everything we do.

Yes we need a good run game for early and short down situations but..We need dawson, beck and our WRs to win us this game its thats simple.

Ihave been saying this, this board sounds drunk like after ND game like we are going to run ground and pound up brokenmayer on skates against the unanimous All American DT and #1 Run defense to a W just because we could run against tamu which had weak run defense (I said prior to that game it was smarter to ground and pound) THIS game is not that game.. Beck has to earn his ******* money.. this guy cant be back seat rider all ******* season.. What is point of having vet qb if he never has to do ****..

I think * can be thrown on.. if we just line up and try to pound them is not gonna work, obviously we need some balance and run but the ground and pound and throw screens every 3rd down offense is not gonna get it done..
 


Running the ball has not been our strength this year at all, we played a terrible run defense with a&m and adjusted for that game which is great but we shouldn’t just change everything we do.

Yes we need a good run game for early and short down situations but..We need dawson, beck and our WRs to win us this game its thats simple.

Through the SMU game when we handed the ball to a RB 45% of the time it was either Lyle or Brown, and they averaged 3.5 ypc(I excluded the Bethune game and the garbage time carries for Pringle and CWH). Neither of those guys are in our RB rotation anymore.

Fletcher and Pringle have averaged 6.4 ypc over the last 5 games. 5.5 if you want to exclude the A&M game.

We were a bad running team for much of the year. I don't think that's the case anymore.

Maybe I am coping hard here, because I don't think our WRs and TEs are good enough to carry us matched up against OSU's LBers and Secondary?
 
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Win the turnover battle and have some success running and we have a chance to win

I’m nervous about Becks ability to absorb the blitz. He looked putrid against tamu against it early. Our receivers maybe weren’t open? We went max protect with two in the backfield.
Against tamu that max protect wasnt gonna help for the type of blitzing they do.. Im actually surprised, not really that was Marios gameplan.. Other coaches have said that doesnt work against that type of blitzing.. I was joking that Mario would rather max protect more men than less to point no one would be running a route if he had to lol..
 
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