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Memnon said:
In this Offense, in order to feature the TE more, that's going to take targets away from MToney, because that's the Y position.

It's an Inside-Out Offense where the primary route 80% of the time is the Slot-Y.

I imagine most of the people griping about the TE's lack of usage would also simultaneously be up in arms about not featuring MToney on every play.

Ultimately, it's really the QB's decision.

The TE's get plenty of burn & run routes every time they're on the field on pass plays (where they're not just blocking), it's up to the QB to decide where he wants to go with the ball.
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yes. And Cam chose Arroyo a decent amount of the time.
 
Hoyacane1620 said:
not sure why you got so many downvotes. You are right. He's always hurt. He'll be a body on the bench again most likely
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No, he is wrong and so are you. He was injured his sophomore year and redshirted to regain his health. He missed a few games down the stretch of the playoffs last year. He was literally honorable mention All-ACC last year.
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He is playing it safe / still recovering from the injuries that kept him outta the playoffs. The guys who they already know what they can do weren’t out there—which is why Damari wasn’t.


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Ain’t no again because he has been getting burn since he got here.
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I do worry about McCoy in pass pro at RT. He can do the job as a run blocker but he had a tough time dealing with speed and burst off the edge from what I saw yesterday. Hopefully a guy like Merriweather is back for fall camp to push & compete with McCoy. I know Wilkerson has been working as the 2nd team LT, but with Mirabal cross training guys, I wonder if he gets any work at RT.

I think Jaboree Antoine is in line to play major snaps with Damari still having issues with his foot. We're also going to need guys like Chris Ewald and Brody Jennings to keep developing because we'll need that quality depth at CB if we want to make a deep run at the CFP.
 
bdub2284 said:
I do worry about McCoy in pass pro at RT. He can do the job as a run blocker but he had a tough time dealing with speed and burst off the edge from what I saw yesterday. Hopefully a guy like Merriweather is back for fall camp to push & compete with McCoy. I know Wilkerson has been working as the 2nd team LT, but with Mirabal cross training guys, I wonder if he gets any work at RT.

I think Jaboree Antoine is in line to play major snaps with Damari still having issues with his foot. We're also going to need guys like Chris Ewald and Brody Jennings to keep developing because we'll need that quality depth at CB if we want to make a deep run at the CFP.
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It’s been said by others but I do agree he needs to shed weight to play tackle. I hope we see that body transformation by fall camp
 
Hoyacane1620 said:
Memnon said:
In this Offense, in order to feature the TE more, that's going to take targets away from MToney, because that's the Y position.

It's an Inside-Out Offense where the primary route 80% of the time is the Slot-Y.

I imagine most of the people griping about the TE's lack of usage would also simultaneously be up in arms about not featuring MToney on every play.

Ultimately, it's really the QB's decision.

The TE's get plenty of burn & run routes every time they're on the field on pass plays (where they're not just blocking), it's up to the QB to decide where he wants to go with the ball.
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yes. And Cam chose Arroyo a decent amount of the time.
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Think it’s fair to say minus X, arroyo was our 2nd or 3rd best option that year with cam. No matter who the TE is on this years squad, I’m not sure that said TE is even a top 4 best option
 
skyman said:
Every scheme is different and ask of its players differently, I think a 4 year player in money year can do what was asked of Mesidor (He wasnt setting a hard edge every play).. Dline will be fine, definitely not #1 spot worry.. Open to being wrong but have hard time seeing a veteran player just unable to do his job, I expect him to blow up, his skillset and motivation is gonna be next level.
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Respectfully, watch the film. Mesi was ragdolling dudes at the LOS. That’s not Wilson’s game. Let’s be rational here, I’m not saying he’s getting driven into the bench every snap. He’s a **** of a player. I’m sky high on him this season as far as productivity. He’s an NFL player. He’s good. But we were so good against the run last year because our kids stood OL the **** up at the LOS. That’s not what Lightfoot and Wilson do best. Again, we gotta have context. You don’t have to be prime John Randle or Lichtenstein out there. Most guys are in the middle. I’m just telling you, Wilson and Lightfoot are not gonna control the edge the way 3 and 4 did. And that’s fine, it doesn’t mean the defense falls off a cliff. But if you could get Hetherman in a closed room off the record, he’d tell you his challenge this year is to produce the same run defense after losing 2 of the best defenders we’ve ever had.

There are ways to scheme it. Also, guess what makes your run defense better? Scoring 28 points in the first half on offense. But teams are going to run right at those 2 kids and make them hold up, whereas that wasn’t an option last year. So it’s a concern. Doesn’t mean it’s a crippling weakness that kills the entire team. But it’s a problem we need to address and fix. That’s just keeping it real. Those 2 kids will need to play possessed, and they’ll need help. On 3rd and 3 last year, 3 and 4 were in the game. Will Wilson and Lightfoot be this year? I’m not sure that’s your best method of attack. I’m very interested to see how it plays out the first month. Because if I’m on OC, I’m running heavy at both those kids and seeing if they can hold up and if chase smith can fill. It’s something every team deals with when they replace some of the best talents they’ve ever had. That’s why we pay our coaches and our players. I’m just telling you the kids who we feel will be the starters, that’s not their strength.
 
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OrangeBowlMagic said:
Respectfully, watch the film. Mesi was ragdolling dudes at the LOS. That’s not Wilson’s game. Let’s be rational here, I’m not saying he’s getting driven into the bench every snap. He’s a **** of a player. I’m sky high on him this season as far as productivity. He’s an NFL player. He’s good. But we were so good against the run last year because our kids stood OL the **** up at the LOS. That’s not what Lightfoot and Wilson do best. Again, we gotta have context. You don’t have to be prime John Randle or Lichtenstein out there. Most guys are in the middle. I’m just telling you, Wilson and Lightfoot are not gonna control the edge the way 3 and 4 did. And that’s fine, it doesn’t mean the defense falls off a cliff. But if you could get Hetherman in a closed room off the record, he’d tell you his challenge this year is to produce the same run defense after losing 2 of the best defenders we’ve ever had.

There are ways to scheme it. Also, guess what makes your run defense better? Scoring 28 points in the first half on offense. But teams are going to run right at those 2 kids and make them hold up, whereas that wasn’t an option last year. So it’s a concern. Doesn’t mean it’s a crippling weakness that kills the entire team. But it’s a problem we need to address and fix. That’s just keeping it real. Those 2 kids will need to play possessed, and they’ll need help. On 3rd and 3 last year, 3 and 4 were in the game. Will Wilson and Lightfoot be this year? I’m not sure that’s your best method of attack. I’m very interested to see how it plays out the first month. Because if I’m on OC, I’m running heavy at both those kids and seeing if they can hold up and if chase smith can fill. It’s something every team deals with when they replace some of the best talents they’ve ever had. That’s why we pay our coaches and our players. I’m just telling you the kids who we feel will be the starters, that’s not their strength.
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Never even think of lightfoot and that would change things, I saw Blount playing other side.. But you got it..
 
skyman said:
Never even think of lightfoot and that would change things, I saw Blount playing other side.. But you got it..
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Lightfoot is a **** dog. He’s gotta play a lot and he will. And I know he put on some weight, but he is NOT Mesi and Bain. That’s ok. I’m just telling you, if you have him and Wilson on the edges at the same time, that’s a **** of a combo, but those are pass rushers. Those are elite athletes at that position. That’s not 2 grown men who are standing tackles and tight ends up, shedding, and pushing plays inside. Those kids get vertical. Thats what they do. In passing situations? Good luck bro. We are gonna be top 10 in the country in sacks (or pressures, which I think is more impactful). When we get you in 3rd and long, goodnight. Because Wilson is gonna EAT. And Lightfoot isn’t far behind. So the key this year is to build leads and make teams one dimensional. If we do that, lights out. But early in games, it’ll have to be by committee.

I think someone posted a thread a bit back about their most important players or something like that. Or someone they’re most interested to see. My pick was Blount. Because that dude has the body and motor to replicate what 3 and 4 could do. I’m not gonna say it’s some seamless transition, that’s not fair. But if he can get on the edge in certain situations and hold up, and I fully believe he can, that unlocks a ton in how Hetherman can scheme this defense similarly to how he did last year. I can’t wait to see how it plays out.
 
Memnon said:
In this Offense, in order to feature the TE more, that's going to take targets away from MToney, because that's the Y position.

It's an Inside-Out Offense where the primary route 80% of the time is the Slot-Y.

I imagine most of the people griping about the TE's lack of usage would also simultaneously be up in arms about not featuring MToney on every play.

Ultimately, it's really the QB's decision.

The TE's get plenty of burn & run routes every time they're on the field on pass plays (where they're not just blocking), it's up to the QB to decide where he wants to go with the ball.
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With this group we better be running 10 and basically no 12
 
Other than '22 when Cristobal just came in, we have had a good to great OL. TVD was throwing picks with no a defender close to him in '23.

They switch the players around until they find the right combination. They have the bodies to build a proper OL. Not worried about it.

They have all summer and fall camp to figure what they are doing there. Not worried.

The TE position is the one where am like wtf. 5 years is enough time to sort it out. I don't like how they are used. For example, if someone is not a great blocker, line them up sometimes as a conventional WR or as a Fullback. Be creative por favor
 
OrangeBowlMagic said:
Respectfully, watch the film. Mesi was ragdolling dudes at the LOS. That’s not Wilson’s game. Let’s be rational here, I’m not saying he’s getting driven into the bench every snap. He’s a **** of a player. I’m sky high on him this season as far as productivity. He’s an NFL player. He’s good. But we were so good against the run last year because our kids stood OL the **** up at the LOS. That’s not what Lightfoot and Wilson do best. Again, we gotta have context. You don’t have to be prime John Randle or Lichtenstein out there. Most guys are in the middle. I’m just telling you, Wilson and Lightfoot are not gonna control the edge the way 3 and 4 did. And that’s fine, it doesn’t mean the defense falls off a cliff. But if you could get Hetherman in a closed room off the record, he’d tell you his challenge this year is to produce the same run defense after losing 2 of the best defenders we’ve ever had.

There are ways to scheme it. Also, guess what makes your run defense better? Scoring 28 points in the first half on offense. But teams are going to run right at those 2 kids and make them hold up, whereas that wasn’t an option last year. So it’s a concern. Doesn’t mean it’s a crippling weakness that kills the entire team. But it’s a problem we need to address and fix. That’s just keeping it real. Those 2 kids will need to play possessed, and they’ll need help. On 3rd and 3 last year, 3 and 4 were in the game. Will Wilson and Lightfoot be this year? I’m not sure that’s your best method of attack. I’m very interested to see how it plays out the first month. Because if I’m on OC, I’m running heavy at both those kids and seeing if they can hold up and if chase smith can fill. It’s something every team deals with when they replace some of the best talents they’ve ever had. That’s why we pay our coaches and our players. I’m just telling you the kids who we feel will be the starters, that’s not their strength.
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Its true, that's what we did to the edge at A&M. He couldn't do anything against Bell. What i think they will do, is probably have a heavy package with Blount at end and maybe the Nebraska transfer at the other end. Of course am guessing, but Lightfoot and Wilson will not be holding any edges if the play is coming right at them.
 
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SinisterCane said:
The only threw to of Malachi Tony, but since you asked……Luka
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How many targets do you think Luka is worth getting?

And I'm a fan of Luka & said in his FR class that he was going to be the best TE when everybody else was drooling over Schott.

But, given this will be his first season as a starter, you think it’s wise to carve out a significant target share to him over the bevvy of experienced WR's we have?
 
Memnon said:
How many targets do you think Luka is worth getting?

And I'm a fan of Luka & said in his FR class that he was going to be the best TE when everybody else was drooling over Schott.

But, given this will be his first season as a starter, you think it’s wise to carve out a significant target share to him over the bevvy of experienced WR's we have?
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If he shows the ability to get open, then I think you targeted him 3 to 4 times and if he pops or one of those attempts, then I believe it really opened up the playbook because tight ends occupied linebackers
 
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